A deep dive into the No Surprises Act
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What is the No Surprises Act and why was it created?
Today we're joined by Lisa Jarvis, Bloomberg Opinion Columnist, to talk about the No Surprises Act. That's a law that went into effect four years ago. The idea was to prevent financial disasters for emergency room patients faced with high bills from providers outside their insurance network. And Lisa, remind us how this act, the No Surprises Act, is was supposed to work.
Right. Well thank you for having me, Scott. So this act was supposed to do something that was on balance very good, which was make sure that none of us opened our mailboxes and got a bill we weren't expecting after an emergency room visit that we expected to be covered by our insurance. Um, how it resolved to do that was take the bill out of the patient's hands and put the dispute between the insurer and the provider.
How does the arbitration process work under the No Surprises Act?
Um and it laid out a process for that, um, this arbitration process essentially. If they couldn't come to terms, then an independent party would judge who deserved the price. Um, but unfortunately the way that that's playing out in reality is very high prices are being paid to doctors, much higher than um, you know, the typical uh fee that they would get if they were in network and there's a lot of concern about how that's going to ultimately cost the larger healthcare system.
So and and you're right that uh essentially they they get you one way or the other. The consumers are winding up paying this bill in other ways. And I guess that's the main way, is it that that it's just higher fees by out of network providers?
Well, so right now we don't know on balance, you know, how it's gonna trickle down to all of our insurance premiums, but the worry is that as many, many more of these disputes are going into arbitration than expected, originally the CBO had estimated about seventeen thousand disputes a year might be might go into arbitration.
Why are out‑of‑network providers winning most arbitration cases?
In reality last year, over two point five million of these disputes went into arbitration and We just saw some reporting from the Wall Street Journal that that meant fifteen billion dollars in payouts through the system. And so what happens and the concern is that providers who are in network might eye this and think, well, I'm not being paid enough and I'm gonna take that to the negotiating table when I go to your insurer for rates for twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight and beyond. If those rates go up that they get paid, then all that trickles down to all of us in terms of the monthly premium that we pay ultimately. We just don't know yet by how much, but that's the worry and why we really need to kind of fix
Whatever's going on in the system that is going wrong.
Yeah.
Tell us a little bit more about the mechanics of how this is supposed to work.
How could the arbitration outcomes affect insurance premiums for everyone?
So you get a bill that you you don't agree with or charges that surprise you under this no surprise act. Uh what what are the mechanics from there?
Right. So really ideally the patient never gets that bill and it goes to their insurance company to negotiate with the provider, the out of network provider, who they don't have a normal rate for, right? And so If those two on their own can't agree on a payment, then it goes to this arbitration process and there's an independent firm that decides whose amount is correct. And here's where the problem is, um, and seems to be the problem, is that each side offers their number of what they think is fair, and in ideally about you know, half the time each of them would win out and you're gonna offer something reasonable because if you go too high or too low, the arbitrator should pick the reasonable amount.
What can patients do now and what policy changes are needed?
But what's happening is eighty five percent of the time on average they are choosing the provider's number. And the number the provider is putting forward is like orders of magnitude more than is typically being paid. There's some really egregious bills out there that um I think the media has reported on, but you know, we can think of five to seven times on average larger than what normally would be paid for an in network service. So that's where the kind of concern is.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the No Surprises Act and why was it created?
0:00–0:46
2
How does the arbitration process work under the No Surprises Act?
0:46–1:48
3
Why are out‑of‑network providers winning most arbitration cases?
1:48–2:36
4
How could the arbitration outcomes affect insurance premiums for everyone?
2:36–3:30
5
What can patients do now and what policy changes are needed?
3:30–4:55
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