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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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I don't believe that your home is an investment. Your home is just like one of those lifestyle assets that you have to pay for over the course of your life.
Chapter 2: What key financial advice helps Kiwis build wealth?
The more we can diversify, the less risk we have. We don't care about what the ups and downs are along the way. We just want maximum value at the end.
Understanding this, I think, can be the difference between hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime.
100%.
We let these non-financial things get in the way at times where it's how people think about us, what society thinks is right or wrong, what people are going to say. Someone will always tell you that what you're doing, even when you decide to do it, is the wrong thing.
We want something different for our future. We are going to need to make some changes now.
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Chapter 3: Why is your home not considered an investment?
Today we're catching up with Amy Poching from leverage.co.nz, that is L-E-V-R-I-D-G-E, and we're going to go through some client examples from around the country that she has recently been working through so we can learn about what everyday Kiwi people are thinking about when it comes to planning out their wealth for the long term. Good to see you. Nice to see you too.
Sounds like you've been very busy.
Being busy, yeah. And I've got a few scenarios here to take you through. The first one is, you will love to hear this, actually. So this is a couple who are kind of around 40. And several years ago, they were over $100,000 in debt, like cars, credit cards, whatever, just All this debt. And they are avid KTC listeners and they have managed to turn everything around and get themselves out of debt.
And they now have over $100,000 of savings in the bank.
I love these people.
Yeah. Wow. And so just so cool how... Anyone can just turn things around. And this is not the first example either of people that have been listening to Keep the Change and are really making significant changes to their lives. So, yeah, so they came to see me because they were like, OK, we feel like we've done what we can do now and we kind of want some help to get to the next level.
And so for them, they want to buy their first home. They want a home that's big enough that they can provide for their wider family as well. And they, for both of them, it will be the first time that anyone in both of their families has ever owned a home. How cool is that?
Yeah. Yeah. Life changing, like generation changing. Generational. Yeah. Yeah. Far out.
It reminds me actually of a couple that I worked with. Years ago, and when they came to see me, they were like, okay, we want to buy an investment property. Can you help us buy an investment property? And I'm like, okay, yeah, well, let's, you know, have a look at your situation, see where you're at. And they lived in a small rural town of New Zealand.
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Chapter 4: How can restructuring debt save thousands in tax?
Harwood, sorry. Something like that. Maybe even smaller. Oh. Where everyone, like, in the community knew each other. Everyone worked at the same, like...
factory um it was quite a yeah a close-knit town and so I was looking at their situation they had a home they had a mortgage uh they also had a flatmate who was like contributing helping them pay down the mortgage that was cool and they just didn't have enough cash flow to be buying an investment property so I'm like this is just going to be too tight for you guys and they're like well
we want to turn something around. Like our families have been poor. Like we don't want that. We want something better for ourselves and our kids going forward. And I'm like, what do we need to do? And I'm like, okay, well, you know, you've got this vehicle over here, which I had been told on several occasions that this was their like dream car that they'd always wanted. And finally they had it.
And it was like 120K or something. And half of it was financed. And I was like, well, you know, if you sold this car and got rid of the finance and bought yourself a cheaper car, then if you're not putting money towards the finance on the car, then that would actually open up some cash flow to help towards an investment property. And they're like, OK, we need to think about this. That's cool.
And then they're like, no, we want to do it. Next day, they're like, we want to do it. And this kind of just dragged on for a little bit. And eventually I said, look, you know, where are you at? Because they kept saying that they wanted to do it, but nothing was really happening or moving. And I said, what's really going on here?
And they're like, when we bought the car, like we just know that if we sell the car, everyone around us, our family, our friends, our community, they're going to be saying things behind our back like, oh, you know, I knew they couldn't afford that car or, you know, knew that they were over committing themselves or, you know, if they were to know that they were buying investment property, like,
who do they think they are, you know, to buy an investment property because that's just so different to just their environment and the people around them. And so when this actually came up and we were able to have a really good discussion around like, their beliefs and the culture around money.
And then it was like, OK, well, you can make a choice like you can avoid all of that or you can try and change the narrative, you know, and let people know what you're doing, you know, maybe let people know that you're selling this vehicle. You want to buy an investment property.
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Chapter 5: What role does accountability play in financial planning?
You want to create something better for your future. Maybe it won't work. Maybe you're going to fail, but you want to give it a go. And what if other people wanted to come along on that journey with you? So anyway, that all happened and they got their investment property and it's all good.
Is the lesson a little bit in there that we let these non-financial things get in the way at times where it's how people think about us, what society thinks is right or wrong, what people are going to say? Because I had a similar situation with a business client this week where I said to them transactionally, being an accountant, oh, it's really simple.
You've got too much of your balance sheet tied up in this vehicle. You can't really, with what's going on, you can't really afford to have that vehicle. You need to sell that. That's going to free up some cash. That's going to allow us to clear down some debt. We're not going to feel like we're just trading water.
And then we're going to be able to start putting in some reps on the swimming front going forward. But I kind of ignored the fact that it's probably really hard for them to then be seen to be downsizing a vehicle. Ah, you know, what are people going to say? And actually a lot of clients will say when they do have to let go of the Ford Ranger or people are going to think that I'm struggling.
It's going to be a bad look for my business. And we let all of this noise get in the way of doing the thing that we actually need to do. Yeah.
Yeah. And sometimes we think more about what we think other people are going to think that it's not even true. So I was with a young girl yesterday and she's working towards buying her first property. And she is weighing out whether she buys like a one bedroom for herself to live in or like a two bedroom that she could get a flatmate.
And so we're going through the numbers, looking at the difference between the two. And I said, do you have a preference? Like, what would you prefer? And she said, well, I kind of prefer to live by myself, but, you know, two bedrooms will hold their value better. And I was like, oh, okay.
And I was like, how do you, like, I said, I don't know whether two bedrooms do hold their value better, but where do you get this from? She said, oh, that's just what everyone says. And I said, who's everyone? And she said, well, just all my family. That's what they say. And so you kind of just... expect that to be true. And I was like, okay, let's actually, I'm interested, let's have a look.
So I logged into REINZ where I have a subscription that I can look at data around property. And we looked at the values of one bedrooms in Auckland over the last 10 years, and also looked at the values of two bedrooms in Auckland over the last 10 years. And And one bedrooms today are worth 18% more than they were 10 years ago. And two bedrooms are worth 16% more than they were 10 years ago.
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Chapter 6: How can small changes lead to significant financial outcomes?
Seven years. Has that ever happened? No. So why are you then thinking that that's the worry? But that's, I guess, going the other way. But it's fascinating how much our family ā And people that were around can, I saw someone the other day saying, you know, investing is really dangerous because you put all your money into that one company and what if it goes bust? Like people don't do that.
There's not good advice to put all of your money into one company. And so the gap here is actually what you've thought investing is. And like people diversify all of the time, but their belief about investing is you're picking one company and going all in. The interesting thing on the other side of that is, with, say, a family home or a home in general, is we're kind of doing the same thing.
We're putting a lot of our eggs into one basket, but we don't see that as being risky or not first fun.
Well, I don't believe that your home is an investment, firstly, because... We'll clip that out.
Now we're in trouble. Yeah. Talk us through that, Amy.
Well, your home is not an investment because if you buy a home for $500,000 today and in 10 years it's worth a million bucks, it doesn't really matter because you're always going to need a home and a roof over your head and somewhere to live. So even if it goes up in value, well, you're only going to need to sell that and buy another roof to live under. When you reach retirement...
For most people going into retirement, the worst thing that they could, the worst position that they could be in is going into retirement without a home that they own, without a mortgage. So I see your home, unless of course you're planning on downsizing, downvaluing that home at some point in the future.
Your home is just like one of those lifestyle assets that you have to pay for over the course of your life.
It's more of an emotional investment slash non-financial decision because I think a lot of us, once we start learning about investing, we try and apply the same logic to, and sometimes I talk to business owners about this to keep bringing up business examples, but they'll get to a stage where they want to buy a commercial building and then naturally they go, I'm going to buy the one that I'm currently in.
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Chapter 7: What are the benefits of diversifying investments?
That's not a great return. No. The other thing to that is that they're expecting they're going to outgrow those premises. So if they own the premises, that might feel like it's hindering them from being able to move on to larger premises again at some point in the future.
Good point, yeah. And even on that too, you find people who then say buy, yeah, or there's more risk that they want to take in their life or more growth that they want in their life, but they feel like they can't because they've got a mortgage or... They've got a house that they've thought is their place to live. And I think it just reminds me that there is no right or wrong answer.
Everyone's working through their own. And almost once you get out of survival mode and have money, you've then got more options. So things do get a bit harder. I was thinking about this recently because everyone's talking about solar at the moment and how the math really stacks up and 90% of the convo is that now and 10% is, nah, it doesn't. I've run the numbers, it doesn't.
And you find it fascinating how people still will disagree, but people saying, oh, I've brought solar so then I don't have to pay power. And I kind of think... I wonder if you ā yeah, that's right.
Yeah, and I think ā I wonder if you invested that same money into Genesis or one of the power companies and it pays you a dividend and then you don't need to pay power going forward as well because the profits then pay for it.
Then I'm looking at it from that angle and going, oh, it would be quite interesting to run a calculation of how much you would need to invest into a power company based on the dividend they pay to then receive the after-tax amount to then cover your power bill. That would be interesting. Then I'm like, do some work, Luke. Get back to work.
But again, I think it highlights there is no right or wrong way. And there are so many different ways to create solutions. And you've got to come back to what's the pain you're trying to solve. And sometimes I think, oh, I wouldn't mind having a car again that does have petrol. And then I think, I don't even like going to the petrol station.
And I save 15 to 20 grand a year on fuel by having a Tesla and just have to accept that people take the piss out of me or then abuse me for supporting Elon or something. And they just go, well, Like you're going to either.
You're the ones complaining about the petrol prices right now.
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Chapter 8: How do relationship property agreements affect financial decisions?
But someone will always tell you that what you're doing, even when you decide to do it, is the wrong thing. And bringing it back to, we're so worried about how our family advise us or educate us on what the right or wrong thing is. You're still going to make a decision for yourself and someone will still tell you that's the wrong thing to do. Yeah.
Yeah, we've got to be careful about where we're getting the information from, which I guess includes the media. Yeah. Anyway, let's not go down that rabbit hole.
I think I've hijacked this podcast and we've gone on this tangent, but that was, so that was example one.
Okay. So I've got the example one.
Well done to those people that got themselves out of debt as well. That's fantastic.
Isn't it amazing? Honestly, I was like so emotional. I was like trying not to cry as they were telling me about just how they had both grown up and just, yeah, their experiences and, and how they've just creating something different for themselves and for their next generations. And, Yeah, very cool.
Before we carry on, just reminds me of one final point that I wrote down. Accountability. Someone messaged me today and said, I just want to hold myself accountable. I'm clearing down some debt. And I thought, when you start doing a bit of developmental work, you realize that A, the accountability pieces are a massive part of your growth.
And it just, for some people who may not, wherever you are in your financial journey, if you can be held accountable to it, you'll probably go a lot faster. And that may just be actually, because I'm having another conversations recently with business owners where I'm like, you need to tell your partner about this. You need to tell your wife, you need to tell your husband.
And now, Oh no, like they, you know, I'm like, no, like this is, you know, tell them. And the same thing, if you want to start investing or clearing down debt and you like hell bent on doing it, tell someone about it so that, and say, can you check in with me about doing this? And I just about guarantee that you'll probably speed up the timeframe of making that decision.
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