SERIAL KILLER: Ed Kemper Pt. 2 with Andrea Gunning of Betrayal Weekly
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Our parents are supposed to be our safe harbor, the people we look to for love, protection, and approval. They guide us and help shape our understanding of the world so that we can thrive on our own someday. Unfortunately, not everyone gets that kind of support from their parents. Some people have to figure out life for themselves. For others, parents can create so much negativity, they can't wait to leave home and get away. Growing up, Ed Kemper wanted nothing more than to escape his mother's dark cloud. Her emotional and physical abuse made him feel weak. As he got older, the resentment festered, and Ed fantasized about one day making his mom feel the same way. But he didn't just wanna punish her.
He wanted to punish all women. So he hunted them down one by one until it was time to make his ultimate kill.
The human mind is powerful. It shapes how we think, feel, love, and hate. But sometimes it drives people to commit the unthinkable. This is Serial Killers and Murderous Minds, a Crime House Original. I'm Vanessa Richardson.
And I'm forensic psychologist Dr. Tristan Engels. And once again, we're thrilled to welcome our special guest, Andrea Gunning, host of The Betrayal Weekly Podcast. Thanks so much. I'm happy to be back.
We are so excited you're back, Andrea, and you're here to help us wrap up our series on Ed Kemper. Just like last time, Andrea will introduce the episode, then be sure to stick around at the end for an extended conversation between her and Dr. Engels about the case. Can't wait. Before I hand it off, Crime House exists because of listeners like you. Want even more? Join Crime House Plus and get both parts of every story dropped on the same Monday, completely ad-free. No waiting three days for part two, plus Crime House bonus episodes every month. To join, go to crimehouseplus.com, or if you listen on Apple Podcasts, tap Try Free at the top of the Serial Killers and Murderous Minds page. Andrea, it's all yours.
As we get started, be advised that this episode contains discussion of rape, murder, and necrophilia, so please listen with care. This is the conclusion of a deep dive into the mind of Ed Kemper, one of the most notorious serial killers in American history. In 1970s California, Ed murdered at least six young female hitchhikers, until finally turning his rage on the person who tormented him most, his own mother. And as Vanessa goes through the story, Dr. Engels will be talking about things like why some killers raise the stakes with each murder, how fear of vulnerability can drive a need for absolute dominance, and why some murderers seem to lose their drive as they get older.
What background and overview introduce Ed Kemper’s crimes and guest experts?
And as always, they'll be asking the question, what makes a killer?
Before Ed Kemper turned 25, he was already responsible for at least six murders. First were his grandparents, Maude and Edmund, who he shot and killed on their farm in 1964 when he was just 15. Then, after serving a five-year sentence at a mental health facility, Ed moved to Santa Cruz to live with his mother before getting his own apartment. When Ed killed his grandparents, he'd told the authorities he just wanted to see what it was like to take someone's life. While he was in the mental health facility, he learned what doctors needed to hear to deem him fit to return to society, and when his killings resumed, they were far more gruesome than before. Between 1972 and 1973, he killed roommates Mary Ann Pesci and Anita Luquesa, who were both 18 years old, followed by 15-year-old Aiko Koo and finally 19-year-old Cynthia Scholl.
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Chapters
5 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–3:42
2
What background and overview introduce Ed Kemper’s crimes and guest experts?
3:42–22:43
3
How did Ed Kemper’s early murders and institutionalization set the stage for later crimes?
22:43–29:15
4
Why did Kemper begin keeping victims’ remains and how did that affect his psychology?
29:15–55:33
5
How did the argument with his mother trigger the double murder of Rosalind Thorpe and Alice Liu?
55:33–1:03:13
Speakers
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