Last Update on the Left - Episode 12 - BTK Returns w/ Katherine Ramsland
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when the cannibalism started.
Last update on the left.
Welcome to the last update on the left, ladies and gentlemen. We got a real special treat for you today. Big update on a big piece of shit. Yeah. I was going to say a big dumper. Yeah. Big time killer. Big time killer. Well, you could say dumper. He's a dumper.
Yeah. You're Marcus Parks. I'm Henry Zebrowski. We're sitting here with Ed Larson. Hello. We talk with... She's a pip.
Yeah, she's great. This woman is incredible.
And what I like is, there's something about a classy lady doctor that just hangs out with serial killers all day. Yeah. That's all she does. That's very frightening, almost.
It's Catherine Ramsland. We talked to her about BTK, about Dennis Rader, the new victims that are supposedly Dennis Rader's, the ones that are being tied to Dennis Rader. But Catherine Ramsland has many opinions on whether or not there's any truth to that. So all you Rader heads, get ready.
You strapped in. And also, I'll just tell you up front, we found out Dennis Rader not getting fellers.
No, not getting fellers. Yeah. Not getting dentures. No, I asked. Rotting away in prison. Yep. The Wichita Raiders. Wow. That was the family.
How did Katherine Ramsland begin her correspondence with Dennis Rader?
All right. Here's an interview with Dr. Ramsland. Fly from your grave. All right, we are here with Dr. Catherine Ramsland. You've probably seen her on countless serial killer documentaries. She's written one of the best books about a serial killer that I've ever read, Confessions of the BTK Killer. Catherine Ramsland, doctor, thank you so much for joining us today.
I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having me.
Of course. Well, part of the reason why we're bringing you on is that we're here on our update show. And the big update is that it seems like there are new victims. Dennis Rader being discovered, or at least people are assuming that they're Dennis Rader's victims. I guess our first question is how much validity are you giving as someone who's spoken personally to Dennis Rader many times? How much validity are you giving to these claims?
Well, you know, it's been a progression of stuff for the past year. I think Sheriff Eddie Burden is who you're talking about because he's kind of leading the way. He's an Oklahoma sheriff.
Yeah.
He laid out the whole case that he had to me in May, and I didn't think he had evidence for some of the things that he was saying. And certainly everything that he's offered has an alternative interpretation. Sure. And Rader's interpretation is, no, it's not me. And he's been given immunity to confess, to close the cases. He still says no. And the main question that he asked, which I think somebody has to answer, why wouldn't I confess?
Right.
He loves fame. And he said, I'd go out like a, you know, a fading star. It'd be amazing if I had more victims. Right. And he said, but I'm not going to confess to something I didn't do. And he just told that to, you know, just for example, one of the victims that they had linked to him was the Garber case in Missouri. Yes. So her body was bound, I mean, heavily bound with six different ropes and cords and whatnot and dumped on a abandoned farm property. So that all sounds very Raider-ish.
He does. Like the multiple different styles of rope, like the overdoing it, like almost like an artistic way, the way he viewed his quote unquote work.
He actually said it was sloppy and kind of insulted that people thought it was his work.
Wow.
The detective team went to interview him. Laurie Howard was the one that I've been working with. And the woman was found in 1994. on Halloween weekend, it was unclear how she came to be there. It took them a long time to identify her. Once they did through genetic genealogy, they found two relatives who were able to give them more of a sense of where she had been working, where she'd been living, which put her in that area. And then their chief suspect was killed in a motorcycle accident And suddenly people came forward who had been scared of him. And they told the story of what they saw and what they knew. And it turns out it was not Dennis Rader.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:03–1:32
2
How did Katherine Ramsland begin her correspondence with Dennis Rader?
1:32–7:22
3
What new victims are being linked to Dennis Rader?
7:22–12:20
4
How reliable are Dennis Rader's claims about his victims?
12:20–16:46
5
What evidence connects Dennis Rader to other potential cases?
16:46–24:32
6
How does Katherine Ramsland analyze Rader's psychological profile?
24:32–31:10
7
What insights does Ramsland provide about Rader's motivations?
31:10–36:26
8
What is Katherine Ramsland's latest project related to true crime?
36:26–51:05