⚡ Inside GitHub’s AI Revolution: Jared Palmer Reveals Agent HQ & The Future of Coding Agents

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What is Jared Palmer’s new role at GitHub and Microsoft and why does it matter?

Swyx 0:04
All right, we are here for a very special edition of Lane Space with my buddy Jared Palmer. Um S V P at GitHub and VP at CoreI at Microsoft. Correct. Dual title. Yeah. Twice the fun. Is it weird to have two jobs?
Jared Palmer 0:17
I'm only on I'm only to full disclaimer, I'm only on Day thirteen, I think. Yeah. So early days,
Swyx 0:24
so so far so good. So far so good. Uh we've been trying to get you on the podcast for two years, I think. I think so, yeah. You yeah, you're a busy guy. We don't do it in person, so uh we have to do it in person. Yeah, exactly. Uh I should also plug that you have if you if Jeropalmer fans should dig into your previous podcasts with Ken Riller. Don't let that scrum. Scrum scrum of the interrogator. Okay. Uh so um but shout out to Ken. Shout out to Ken. Uh before that we you were building um I I guess like V Zero and AISDK and you were just sort of VP of AI at Versell, yeah.
Jared Palmer 0:57
Yes,
Swyx 0:57
all uh AI
Jared Palmer 0:58
initiatives and vibes.
Swyx 0:59
Yeah, and I feel like basically you went from like you sort of building one coding agent to now being the home for all coding agents. Is that is that like the the general vibe of agent HQ? I think that's right, yeah. So
Jared Palmer 1:10
Backing up, um, I spent the last sort of two years or so building V0 at Versel and AISDK. Uh and then the summer took time off and now joined GitHub. And today we launched Agent HQ, among other things, here at Universe. And uh yeah, it's gonna be the home, we hope, of not only agents, but also developers. And it seems like a the gravity well of this new collaboration space. Yeah, we're trying to build.
Swyx 1:35
Yeah. What do you think like basically that GitHub can do that you couldn't do at V Zero?
Jared Palmer 1:42
GitHub is an enormous platform, right? So these are 183 million. It's some about free. Yeah, it's under eight million developers. Um it's just the scale is immense, right? Um and VZero is focused on not only one language, but one framework, right? And a specific problem space with a built-in render and you know. Um, you know, for those who are the not aware of vZero, it's it's like a fault or lovable, but it's built by Vercell. And uh it's focused on building Next.js apps, specifically Next.js apps. That constraint was rather liberating for the team at the time and it lets us really like laser focus and world edit. I hope thank you. I hope so. Um and obviously at GitHub, you know, we're the home of all languages and you know, and and frameworks and and developers.
Jared Palmer 2:27
And so the scope is broadened and yeah, it's just it's just a different a different part of the map, if you will, right?
Swyx 2:33
Yeah, yeah. How I've seen so you you've been basically covering the entire journey of coding agents. Yeah. Fra you know, from from the start. Like what do you think uh what's your journey personal journey through coding agents, right? Like is the we started out with Copilot, obviously GitHub started the Copilot trend. Sure, sure. Uh when w tell us about the origin story of V Zero. Yeah. And then how that develops and and maybe where where it like what you want to see next with
Jared Palmer 2:57
So history. That's f it's funny you asked that. As I've told this story multiple times, I feel like I've unlocked different parts of it in my brain by going back, you know, like so maybe we'll have to figure out how retrieval memory works.
Swyx 3:09
By the way, interesting how
Jared Palmer 3:09
memory works for agents. Totally. That's why I brought it up. It's like kind of interesting as you yeah, sometimes you discover new paths, right? Yeah. Anyway, um the story goes like this. So when um ChatGPT first came out, obviously it was incredible, right? Like world-changing, immediately, fastest growing product ever. I looked back at like the timeline and dates, and um we were very early, like in that when I was at Purcell uh jumping into AI stuff. But the journey kind of went like this. So at the time, I actually there was no AI division, there was no AI group. I was actually the director of engineering for all of Rocelle Frameworks, and I was helping Next.js. Svelte uh Svelte right. Yeah, so NextJS Svelte, uh Turbo Repo, Turbo Pack, Webpack, and all internal dev tools at Fresel.

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