DJ Justice: Laurence Lieberman on Legal Careers, Music & Why Lawyers Should Be More Human - S10E23
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Take the crowd on a journey. The big part of success in DJing or or you know being in the band is reading your audience. You know, the signals, some of which are actually unspoken. Now I think it's useful and it's a similar sort of skill set to when you're working the room at a conference or you're in a pitch meeting or even presenting to a board on litigation strategy. Start the way you need to go on. Don't be embarrassed, don't be shy about your little hobbies or passions or quirks. They are a part of what makes you interesting to work with. They're always going to be a value in the workplace even if you're not sure yet how that's going to play out.
On today's Legally Speaking podcast, I'm delighted to be joined by Lawrence Lieberman. Lawrence is a partner in the London Office of Pillsbury, where he specializes in complex, high-value, and often cross-border business disputes resolved through court litigation and international arbitration. He has more than 25 years of experience with deep expertise across technology, life sciences, and financial services, as well as a long-standing work. Connected to India and Israel. Alongside all of that, Lawrence also has a creative side, many in law may not expect. He is a lead vocalist, performs in a band, and DJs under the name DJ Justice. So today we're not just talking about dispute, strategy, and high-level performance legal work, we're also talking about identity, confidence, passion, and why keeping a hold of your creative side may actually make
make you a better lawyer. With that, a very big warm welcome to the show, Lawrence. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Oh, it's absolutely a pleasure to have you on the Legally Speaking Podcast. Really looking forward to today's discussion. And before we get into that, we have a couple of serious icebreaker questions here on the League of Speaking Podcast, which are what is your favorite beverage and what is your preferred choice of footwear on a typical work day?
Ah, okay. Uh so favourite beverage, I've got a bit of a soft spot for passion fruit martinis.
Nice.
Um for footwear on a work day, I mean I tend to wear bros or something smart like that. I had also do have a bit of an obsession with sneakers. So when I'm not at work, um I have got quite a big collection of sneakers, particularly the brand Y three. Um that's that's my thing outside of the office.
Like it. Well, thank you for for sharing both of those with us. And before we get too into uh that discussion, we must talk about you, of course, and your career. So to begin with, would you mind telling our listeners a bit about your background and career journey and also what drew you towards a career in law and very complex disputes?
Yeah, of course. So so I studied law at university. Um I I didn't actually find it particularly stimulating, if I'm honest. And I wasn't really sure it was it was the career for me. But then actually, you know, getting a job and working as a lawyer was just completely different. And it, you know, it all brought it to life. So I trained at Simmons and Simmons.
How does Laurence’s experience reading an audience as a DJ translate to courtroom and client presentations?
Um I joined DLA Piper uh on qualification. I moved to Taylor Westing in two thousand and eight as a partner and then I've been at Pillsbury for about eighteen months. And then as for my chosen area of practice, I mean I just uh right from a trainee, I just always loved disputes. I loved uh uh the drama of it. I loved trying to persuade my opponents to my point of view. Uh I love the process, I like going to court. Um And you know, with no offense to my transactional colleagues. It it feels like real law, it's breach of contract and it's it's tort, injunctions, citing case law and so on. So um that's my path so far.
And what a fabulous path. And I mean, it's been all positive. Um, and I know we'll come on to some career challenges um later on, but huge congratulations on what you have achieved thus far because you spent more than twenty five years handling major business disputes across technology, life sciences, financial services, also with a very strong international dimension across India, Israel, North America.
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Chapters
4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–2:57
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How does Laurence’s experience reading an audience as a DJ translate to courtroom and client presentations?
2:57–12:12
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What inspired Laurence Lieberman to pursue a career in high‑value cross‑border disputes?
12:12–27:57
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What does a day in the life of a Pillsbury partner handling complex international arbitration look like?
27:57–35:40
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