Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare
episodePreviously titled “Anthropic’s $1B to $19B growth run: how Claude became the fastest-growing AI product in history | Amol Avasare” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 2, 2026
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What makes Anthropic the fastest‑growing AI company and how did Amol land his role?
A lot of companies claim to be the fastest growing companies of all time. Anthropic actually is. You guys were at a billion ARR at the start of 2025. The last number I've seen is nineteen billion ARR. That's one to nineteen billion dollars in 14 months.
Historically, we were very much the smallest, least well-funded player in this space. We didn't have the free cash flow or the distribution of a meta or Google. We didn't have the first mover advantage of an open AI. It's a complete miracle that we've gotten to the stage that we have. Give us just a glimpse of what it's like to be leading growth inside of Anthropics. This is the hardest job I've had in my life to come into Anthropic. You need to understand that 50, 60, 70. eighty percent of how you operate in the past, just throw it out the door.
cleverest growth moves you all made was this idea of importing memory from chat GPT.
Activation is a really big challenge in AI. We are starting to look at how do we automate growth. Our growth platform team is driving this effort called Cash, which is Claude Accelerates Sustainable Hypergrowth. How can we use Claude to automate growth experimentation? And it's delivering results. You're basically living in the future. We always talk about the exponential. The product value that we will deliver in two years' time is. is probably like a thousand X, what it is today. The funniest thing is I've noticed internally linear charts are just not cool. Everything is log linear. It's just show me a log linear scale.
Today, my guest is Amol Avasari. Amol is head of growth at Anthropic, which is on the most unprecedented growth run in history. In the past 14 months, they grew from 1 billion to over 19 billion in annual recurring revenue. Just in the past few months, their revenue doubled. They've been growing 10x year over year. This is unheard of at this scale. By the time this episode comes out, their revenue will Be even higher. To put this scale in perspective, companies like Atlassian and Palantir and Snowflake, which have been around for 15 to 20 years, each do something like 4.5 to 6 billion in ARR. Anthropic is adding this much ARR every few months. And if that isn't interesting enough to you, Amole, who leads growth at Anthropic, is an incredible human.
He previously led growth at Mercury and Masterclass. Before that, he was a founder and an investment banker. And most interestingly, something that most people don't know about him is that Amol suffered a severe brain injury. He had to spend nine months relearning how to walk and work and just not be nauseous all the time. He shared this story in a guest post in my newsletter a number of years ago. We actually chatted about this during the conversation. These are my favorite kind of conversations, because Amol and his team are living in the future. And he's come to tell us where things are heading and what's gonna change. And in this episode, Amole shares an unprecedented look at how a company like Anthropic operates and grows, including how they think about growth, what parts of the job they've automated, the future of the product and growth roles, how Mole got the job in the first place by cold emailing Mike Krieger, and so much more.
Amole is wonderful, and just try to count the number of times. That he blew my mind during this conversation. Before we get into it, don't forget to check out Lenny's productpass.com for an incredible set of deals available exclusively to Lenny's newsletter subscribers. With that, I bring you a mole of Asari.
Why is activation the biggest growth challenge for AI products and how is Anthropic tackling it?
Amal, thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast. Pleasure to be here. Head of growth at Anthropic, no big deal. I've had a lot of people come on this podcast from companies that claim to be the fastest growing companies of all time. And Anthropic actually is, if you look at the trajectory, I just have some of the numbers here, just so people understand how absurd this is. So you guys were at a billion ARR at the start of 2025, then hit something like 4 billion mid-2025. Then 9 billion ARR at the end of 2025.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What makes Anthropic the fastest‑growing AI company and how did Amol land his role?
0:00–3:18
2
Why is activation the biggest growth challenge for AI products and how is Anthropic tackling it?
3:18–7:17
3
How did Amol improve Mercury’s onboarding flow and what impact did it have on activation?
7:17–9:37
4
How does Anthropic’s growth org balance big bets versus small optimizations and why are more PMs needed?
9:37–58:57
5
How does Amol use Claude and Cowork to automate daily metrics and team alignment?
58:57–1:07:58
6
Why does Anthropic focus on a few deep bets like AI‑coding instead of many micro‑optimisations?
1:07:58–1:17:57
7
How does Anthropic balance rapid growth with its AI‑safety mission as a public‑benefit corporation?
1:17:57–1:36:11
8
What did Amol learn from shutting down his startup and his traumatic brain injury?
1:36:11–1:52:46
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