How to build your product team from scratch, attract top product talent, go multi-product, and more | Rohini Pandhi (Mercury, Square)
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Why and when should a startup start hiring product managers?
The CO of the company you work at now, Mercury, tweeted uh a few years ago, where he basically was very proud of not having any product managers. Clearly you have product managers today. You're a product manager at Mercury. What was the sign to Umad and the leadership team that it was time to hire product managers?
The bottlenecks started popping up to take things from like soup to nuts on every single project. It requires design and eng then to take on a lot more responsibility, which means somebody's doing the PM duties, even if you don't have a PM.
What is it that you think people most miss about the value that a PM brings to your org?
There's just so many different flavors of what a product manager is. We use this idea of like a pioneer, a town settler, and a city planner. So the pioneer is a PM that's really good at zero to one. Settler PM is in that growth stage of maturity of a product. You're in a town, there might be a bank, there might be a post office, but nothing more than that. And then a city planner is a PM that's really good at mature products. They have the city.
Let's talk about the final big topic, going multi-product.
The organizational structure is really important. One thing we learned was having new product areas, new seedlings being too close within the like true org structure to the core banking or payments or mature products made it hard for that new product to even grow.
Today, my guest is Rohini Pondi. Rohini is currently a product leader at Mercury, where she leads the product expansion team, which incubates and scales new product lines within Mercury. Previously, she spent over seven years at Square, also known as Block, leading product work on Square payments, invoicing, and the BitKey Hardware Bitcoin wallet. She's also the co founder of the startup bootcamp Transparent Collective and a very active angel investor. Investor. In our conversation, we talk about why founders are often so resistant to hiring product managers and Mercury's journey on deciding to hire their first PM and then scale their product management team. Also, we get into what attracts great product managers to join your company.
She makes an argument for why it's important to invest in quality and user experience versus just working on things that move metrics and how that could differentiate your business. We also do a deep dive into how how she successfully launched a half dozen new product lines at Mercury just this past year, which is extremely rare and very hard to do, and also something that every single startup hopes to do and tries to do and often fails. If you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. It's the best way to avoid missing future episodes and it helps the podcast tremendously. With that, I bring you Rohini Pondi. This episode is brought to you by CloudNary, the foundational technology for all images and video on the internet.
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Yes, thank you for having me on, Lenny.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why and when should a startup start hiring product managers?
0:00–10:46
2
What signs indicate it’s time to add PMs to the team?
10:46–20:23
3
How did Mercury build its early product‑management team from zero?
20:23–30:48
4
What career ladder and interview process did Mercury create for PM hires?
30:48–41:47
5
How can a company attract top product‑management talent?
41:47–51:47
6
Why is investing in quality and user experience crucial for fintech products?
51:47–1:01:39
7
What organizational structures support successful multi‑product growth?
1:01:39–1:11:20
8
What is the Transparent Collective and how does it help under‑represented founders?
1:11:20–1:19:21
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