How to find hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com)
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What is the core purpose of growth and how does it connect users to product value?
Growth is the job is to connect users to the value of your product. Growth sometimes gets this reputation that it's just pure metrics hacking.
You worked at three of the most successful consumer subscription products in the world. Where do you think is the biggest missing piece that people don't get about building a successful consumer subscription product?
User retention is gold for consumer subscription companies. If you don't retain your users, then a lot of the onus is on getting them to pay on day one.
Noam Levinsky. He said that I need to ask you about
The biggest monetization win that you found at Grammarly? The lived product experience for most of the free users was that Grammarly was just a product to fix your spelling and grammar because those were the free suggestions. What if we actually sampled a number of different paid suggestions and interspersed them to free users across their writing? All of a sudden, people were seeing Grammarly as a much more powerful tool than they were before. What's the most counterintuitive? Lesson you've learned about building teams. I saw some of the highest performers just being people that had very high agency, had that clock speed, had that energy, but they didn't necessarily need to have deep experience on that matter.
Sometimes experience could be a crutch, especially in this world where the grounds are shifting so fast with AI. A lot of your learned habits actually need to be intentionally discarded.
Today, my guest is Albert Chang. Albert is known as one of the top consumer growth minds in the world. He led growth and monetization at three of the most successful and beloved consumer products in the world Duolingo, Grammarly, and OwCess.com. Earlier in his career at YouTube, he worked on streaming and gaming features used by over 20 million people. His unique approach to growth blends marketing, data, strategy, and product management. And in our conversation, we cover A lot of ground, including his explore and exploit framework to find growth opportunities, his biggest and most interesting growth wins at Duolingo Grammarly and Chess.com, how he uses AI to accelerate his growth work, what he's come to realize about the power of brand and community in your growth work, his top experimentation best practices, why his goal at every company is to run 1000 experiments a year, and so much more.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the core purpose of growth and how does it connect users to product value?
0:00–11:05
2
What is the explore‑exploit framework and how does it shape growth experimentation?
11:05–23:05
3
How did showing premium features to free Grammarly users double upgrade rates?
23:05–34:46
4
Why are resurrected (inactive) users a major growth lever for mature products?
34:46–45:14
5
How is AI used to automate data queries and speed up the experiment workflow?
45:14–56:05
6
What are the key differences in growth strategies across Duolingo, Grammarly and Chess.com?
56:05–1:06:18
7
What traits define high‑agency, fast‑learning team members for growth teams?
1:06:18–1:16:45
8
What books, movies, or personal habits does the guest recommend for product leaders?
1:16:45–1:25:21
Speakers
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