How to find work you love | Bob Moesta (Jobs-to-be-Done co-creator, author of "Job Moves”)
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What is the big idea behind Bob Moesta’s new book *Job Moves*?
You just wrote a new book called Job Moves That I Have Right Here. What's kind of just the big idea behind this book?
The moment you stop making progress in your career is the moment you start looking for another job. And so over the last fifteen years, we've interviewed over a thousand people. I've coached almost a thousand people. And because I think there's a billion people a year who switch jobs and ultimately most of them end up with a job that's worse than the one they were at, but they don't know how to find it. They don't know themselves well enough.
There's a very tactical piece of advice in your book, which is the idea of a job cation.
When you're in a startup, it changes who you are. And the moment that you get out of that environment, you need to take the time to reset your mind and your body. I call it a job cation, which is a job I can go do with one hand tied by high my back, so I can rest and recover to go do something else. It's about actually being able to go to the gym and work out and have some vacations. The moment you get comfortable doing nothing, you know who you are again and you can actually figure this out.
You have this really interesting distinction in the book between job features like salary and title and job experiences.
It's very simple, it's very similar to product. There's difference between product features and product experiences. And what you start to realize is it's the experiences that keep you at your job. It's not just about the money. Because you start to realize money is a surrogate for respect or I've got bills to pay or I'm falling behind. Money has actually many, many different implications to it. Because everybody wants more money. But the question is why do you want more money?
Today, my guest is Bob Masta. Bob is the co-creator of the Jobs to Be Done Framework and worked alongside Clay Christensen for many years. He's also started nine different companies. He's currently the co founder and CEO of the Rewired Group. This is Bob's second visit to the podcast. In our first conversation, we got super deep on the Jobs to be done framework. In this conversation, we talk about his new book that he believes is going to be even more impactful to the world. And the jobs to be done framework. The book is called Job Moves. It's basically a very tactical guide to finding a job that you love. I won't give it away, but if you're struggling to find a job, or hate the job that you are currently in and aren't sure what to do, or you want to get better at hiring and keeping amazing people, this episode is for you.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the big idea behind Bob Moesta’s new book *Job Moves*?
0:00–11:10
2
Why do job features (salary, title) matter less than job experiences?
11:10–20:55
3
What are the four “quests” that drive people to change jobs?
20:55–32:03
4
How can you identify what gives you energy and what drains it at work?
32:03–42:49
5
What is a “job‑cation” and when should you take one?
42:49–53:46
6
How do you prototype potential next‑career roles before committing?
53:46–1:03:33
7
Why is no job ever perfect and how do you decide what trade‑offs to accept?
1:03:33–1:13:27
8
How should you craft a compelling career story for interviews and hiring?
1:13:27–1:24:52
Speakers
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