Inside Gong: How teams work with design partners, their pod structure, autonomy, trust, and more | Eilon Reshef (co-founder and CPO)
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What is Gong’s pod model and how is it organized?
I wanna start with talking about your pod model, which is a really unique way of
Building and organize your product teams. That was probably 2016. We're trying to figure out how the uh operating model looks like for product and engineering. The first bunch of people we had was essentially a pod. It was one product manager, a user experience designer, back-end engineers, a couple of front-end engineers. But at some stage we're starting to scale, we were kind of contemplating: do we go like the traditional, the old school of front-end engineers, back-end engineers? And then we said, let's try to replicate what we have.
Let's talk about it how these pods work with design partners. From what I've heard, it's very unlike how any other company works. We just took the pod concept to an
extreme where every pod is working with sometimes a dozen design partners, sometimes two dozen design partners.
This feels like a cheat code of how to build new product lines.
How does Gong work with design partners and why is that approach unique?
What are the like the percentage of success rate you have with new product? I would say very close to 100% of the features we build
end up being used by. Significant number of people. Does it feel
crazy for companies not to operate this way?
I I wouldn't go back. I I hate terms such as risk because that's a very ambiguous term, but just the risk of building something you're not gonna know if it's gonna get used.
So when I ask people like Gong what to ask you, the most often term that came up is autonomy and trust. It's
a very selfish thing, it's a very personal thing. I I just think
Today, my guest is Alon Reshef. Elon is co founder and chief product officer at Gong. He was also the longtime chief technology officer at Gong. As I share at the top of our conversation, it feels like basically every company that has a sales team uses Gong. And it's really rare to build a product that is so ubiquitous and so loved across the tech ecosystem. In our conversation, Elon shares some of the secrets of what makes Gong so consistent. Consistently successful, including how their product teams work with 6 to 12 design partners on every new product and feature that they invest in, how he creates a culture of autonomy and trust, why and also how he optimizes for making decisions quickly, even large one way door decisions, what he and his team have learned about building AI based products, since they've been building AI based products longer than most other companies, and so much more.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is Gong’s pod model and how is it organized?
0:00–0:44
2
How does Gong work with design partners and why is that approach unique?
0:44–4:59
3
How does autonomy and trust shape Gong’s product teams?
4:59–12:10
4
How does Gong make fast decisions and prioritize speed?
12:10–13:44
5
What lessons has Gong learned from being an early AI adopter?
13:44–16:28
6
What is the spiral method for learning complex topics quickly?
16:28–18:56
7
What failures has Gong experienced and what did they learn?
18:56–24:57
8
What are the final takeaways and how can listeners connect with Eilon?
24:57–56:39
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