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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What are the key moments before a jiu-jitsu match?
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Chapter 3: How does confidence play a role in competition?
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Chapter 4: What insights does Roger Gracie share about his greatest match?
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This feels like an SNL skit. What was it? When the guy's like looking in the mirror and doing positive affirmations. I don't think I've ever looked in the mirror and said, boy, you're looking sexy today. The moment I am, I think I'm on a slippery slope to a place I don't want to be. But anyway, so I'm obviously doing it just for jokes. It feels comfortable. I just like the way it feels.
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I'm not exactly sure why the pace of this segment of the program is being delivered at an increasingly fast pace. I wish I was able to talk this quickly during regular conversation. I think people criticize me for speaking too quickly. Well, that's a Freudian slip. Well, not a Freudian slip, but a misstatement. I think nobody's ever criticized me for speaking too quickly. Too much, maybe, yes.
Too slowly, yes. Boring and monotone, yes. Check, check, check, but not too quickly. I think because I'm really thinking on the spot a lot, and I like the silence. I think the silence between words, at least for me, helps me think better. It also helps calm down the pace of the conversation where the other person can think.
Oftentimes the reason I'm talking is not necessarily to express an idea, like I really, really want to express an idea, but it's really to express an idea in the service of the conversation, in the service of inspiring the other person to build on top of that idea. I really don't just want to sound smart or say something that I believe needs to be said. Most of the time, I'm trying to dance.
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Chapter 5: What are the challenges of applying pressure in mount position?
Easier. I'm not saying black belt level. I'm saying, well, maybe even black belt level. Easier for what? To hold somebody? To make them squirm and hurt. To create openings.
You can't go to death with a big guy.
Yeah, you can't.
You can't.
Yeah.
He's going to push you back and come up. In the mount, he can't sit up. Not when you mounted him.
The thing is also about mount is people on the bottom of mount panic more. So they fight harder.
Of course they panic. They expose. It's the most exposure you have. Because the person's arms are free. You cannot touch him. His head is too high. There's nothing he can do. His legs won't get you anywhere. He might touch your lower back. It's like nothing. You're most exposed being in the mouth.
Already you hold me side control a thousand times the amount of me having to look up when your face come down on me. Yeah. Side control. I hug you. You cannot hurt me.
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Chapter 6: How can beginners progress in jiu-jitsu?
Mm-hmm. Okay, hold me, but I'm hugging you. If I hug you tight, what can you do against me?
Hold. It seems maybe it's just from, and again, I'm arguing just for the fun of it, but it seems like a more difficult skill to learn to apply a huge amount of pressure and weight from a mount.
You don't have to apply pressure and wait for mouth?
Not apply pressure, but be heavy, right?
You don't necessarily need to be heavy. You don't? No. Why do you, as people say, you feel extremely heavy? If I'm being heavy, I cannot attack. I have to choose. I can be heavy just to pin them, take the energy out to make them suffer. But the moment that I decide to attack, I can only be heavy if I'm sitting up straight. That's when all my weight drops down.
If I'm high, then I'm sitting on your chest and on your solar plexus. That's the worst position to be seated on the person because that's where he breathes. So in a high mount, sitting up straight, that's when I can be very heavy. I can make people feel my weight and be very uncomfortable, but I'm not in a position to attack. The moment that I want to attack, my body has to lean forward.
I have to approach the neck or the arms. The moment that I do that, my weight comes off my hips.
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Chapter 7: What insights can be gained from failures in competition?
It goes to my knees. The weight is off you. But at that point, if you have... Now I'm attacking. I'm no longer heavy on you.
But you want to be at that point to remove any of the defenses they have or some of the defenses by getting their elbows... Now I'm either trying to get your call or bringing your elbow across to attack the arm lock. So what are some interesting details along the way that are tough to get to figure out What were the big leaps for you from white belt to the best in the world?
You're trying to attack the neck, putting one hand in the collar. You're priving yourself that hand to place it on the floor. So now you're vulnerable to get breached, to get rolled over. Because if your hands are free trying to roll you over, you're stopped. The moment that you put your hand in the person's collar, now you have to be... Very careful with your body positioning. Very careful.
The distribution of the weight. Yeah. And how, you know, how high you sit, you know, how tall your upper body goes. And then the biggest challenge comes as you're trying the second hand. That's the, you know, for the choke, that's the biggest challenge, the second hand. Because you already have, you know, you already don't have one hand. Now you are trying the second hand and...
If one of my hands is in, you, as defending yourself, have two hands. One hand is already on one side. This side is getting attacked. You have two hands blocking that. I have one hand. There's no help for that hand. I cannot remove anything. That's the biggest challenge, getting one hand, getting past two. And not getting rollover.
But I also have two hands on bottom. I have two hands and can also turn and do all kinds of stuff. Yeah. And my whole mind and everything is focused on that second hand.
Yeah. It's a big challenge. It's hard. Very hard.
Is there an art to getting the first hand into a place where you...
It's less of an art because it's easier. I'll say most times I get my first hand in is when you're trying some move. You're trying to escape, you're pushing. I get the first hand in as an opportunity. And it's going to sit there for a while. And I go as deep as I can.
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Chapter 8: How does love influence success in martial arts?
So the first hand, because the second hand is the hardest, I have to compensate the first hand to be as deep as I can. Right. If I cannot get the first hand in deep, I won't try the second. I need that first hand deep, then I go for the second. And it's deep and everything is like super tight? Super tight. The first hand has to be super tight. Otherwise, the chance of failing is very big.
does the opponent usually feel like they're screwed at that point also?
Not as you put in the first hand. The moment that I position myself just prior to attempt the second hand, I think the way my body is positioned, the way I'm collapsing with my weight and they feel it's like it's, you know, this is terrible.
Yeah, how long did it take you to figure out how to reposition your weight once the first hand is in? Very quickly, because it would get breached out.
Okay, so there's a good feedback loop there. Yeah, because one mistake you out. Like, one off positioning you out.
But you still have to do that against the best people in the world. Yeah. Where's the way out for most people? Like, if you were in Mount against Puchesha, or some of the best defenses in the world? I mean, dude...
The way out is to... Obviously, it's to defend themselves and prevent the first hand to get deep. And I'll say the best... thing that they could do is try to change my positioning on the mount in a way that, you know, push me to a very low mount. You know, try to change the way I'm dominating you, not to be, you know, get me off the high mount pretty much.
Are you always, is it a slow, is it a fast thing to go from low to fast mount? A high mount. Slow, very slow. Because I need to beat your arms because you're holding me down. And the arms need to come out.
It's a slow process. Okay. And you just, is there like a. Yeah.
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