Chris Lattner is a legendary software and hardware engineer, leading projects at Apple, Tesla, Google, SiFive, and Modular AI, including the development of Swift, LLVM, Clang, MLIR, CIRCT, TPUs, and Mojo. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - iHerb: https://lexfridman.com/iherb and use code LEX to get 22% off your order - Numerai: https://numer.ai/lex - InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off EPISODE LINKS: Chris's Twitter: https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm Chris's Website: http://nondot.org/sabre/ Mojo programming language: https://www.modular.com/mojo Modular AI: https://modular.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (06:38) - Mojo programming language (16:55) - Code indentation (25:22) - The power of autotuning (35:12) - Typed programming languages (51:56) - Immutability (1:04:14) - Distributed deployment (1:38:41) - Mojo vs CPython (1:54:30) - Guido van Rossum (2:01:31) - Mojo vs PyTorch vs TensorFlow (2:04:55) - Swift programming language (2:10:27) - Julia programming language (2:15:32) - Switching programming languages (2:24:58) - Mojo playground (2:29:48) - Jeremy Howard (2:40:34) - Function overloading (2:48:59) - Error vs Exception (2:56:39) - Mojo roadmap (3:09:41) - Building a company (3:21:27) - ChatGPT (3:27:50) - Danger of AI (3:31:44) - Future of programming (3:35:01) - Advice for young people
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The following is a conversation with Chris Lattner, his third time on this podcast. As I've said many times before, he's one of the most brilliant engineers in modern computing.
Having created LLM Compiler Infrastructure Project, the Clang Compiler, the Swift Programming Language, a lot of key contributions to TensorFlow and TPUs as part of Google, he served as Vice President of Autopilot Software at Tesla, was...
a software innovator and leader at Apple, and now he co-created a new full-stack AI infrastructure for distributed training, inference, and deployment on all kinds of hardware called Modular, and a new programming language called Mojo that is a superset of Python, giving you all the usability of Python, but with the performance of C, C++.
In many cases, Mojo code has demonstrated over 30,000x speedup over Python. If you love machine learning, if you love Python, you should definitely give Mojo a try. This programming language, this new AI framework and infrastructure, and this conversation with Chris is mind-blowing. I love it. It gets pretty technical at times, so I hope you hang on for the ride.
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