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Lex Fridman Podcast

#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

05 Jun 2025

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Sundar Pichai is CEO of Google and Alphabet. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep471-sc See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/sundar-pichai-transcript CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Sundar's X: https://x.com/sundarpichai Sundar's Instagram: https://instagram.com/sundarpichai Sundar's Blog: https://blog.google/authors/sundar-pichai/ Google Gemini: https://gemini.google.com/ Google's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Google SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Tax Network USA: Full-service tax firm. Go to https://tnusa.com/lex BetterHelp: Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://betterhelp.com/lex LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://drinkLMNT.com/lex Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://shopify.com/lex AG1: All-in-one daily nutrition drink. Go to https://drinkag1.com/lex OUTLINE: (00:00) - Introduction (00:07) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (07:55) - Growing up in India (14:04) - Advice for young people (15:46) - Styles of leadership (20:07) - Impact of AI in human history (32:17) - Veo 3 and future of video (40:01) - Scaling laws (43:46) - AGI and ASI (50:11) - P(doom) (57:02) - Toughest leadership decisions (1:08:09) - AI mode vs Google Search (1:21:00) - Google Chrome (1:36:30) - Programming (1:43:14) - Android (1:48:27) - Questions for AGI (1:53:42) - Future of humanity (1:57:04) - Demo: Google Beam (2:04:46) - Demo: Google XR Glasses (2:07:31) - Biggest invention in human history PODCAST LINKS: - Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast - Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 - RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ - Podcast Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4 - Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/lexclips

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The following is a conversation with Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google and Alphabet. And now a quick few second mention of your sponsor. Check them out in the description or at lexfriedman.com slash sponsors. It's the best way to support this podcast.

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We got Tax Network USA for taxes, BetterHelp for mental health, Element for electrolytes, Shopify for selling stuff online, and AG1 for your daily multivitamin drink. Choose wisely, my friends. And now onto the philaderies. You can skip them if you like, but if you do, please still check out our sponsors. I enjoy their stuff. Maybe you will too.

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If you want to get in touch with me for whatever reason, go to lexrema.com slash contact. All right, let's go. This episode is brought to you by Tax Network USA, a full-service tax firm focused on solving tax problems for individuals and for small businesses.

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I remember when I was preparing for the Roman Empire episode, I came across a lot of places where there was a rigorous discussion about the intricate tax collection algorithms used by the Roman Empire.

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The reason I use the word algorithms is basically there's a systematic process for determining how much you owe based on your location, based on your status, based on your job, based on all these kinds of factors. It's sad, but those rules in the early days initially give power to the individual because they protect the individual.

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But when they become too complicated, then the bureaucracy, the centralized power, starts to abuse its power by using the rules. And then the individual loses power because they can't figure out the complexity of the rules. That's essentially why you need the CPAs and the firms to figure out the complexity. Anyway, these guys are good. Talk with one of their strategists for free today.

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Call 1-800-958-1000 or go to tnusa.com slash lex. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp, spelled H-E-L-P, help. I got to recently meet a lot of interesting people when I visited San Francisco. I was there in part to celebrate Josje Bak and the newly launched California Institute for Machine Consciousness. I, by the way, encourage you to check it out. I think it's C-I-M-C dot A-I.

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And there, I talked to a lot of brilliant people, and one of them was a grad student studying the so-called dark triad. These are the three personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. A little bit for a brief moment, it made me wish I took that path of studying the human mind. And perhaps that is the indirect way.

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Through all the AI, through all the programming, through all the building of systems, and now with the podcast, Maybe I somehow sneaked up to that dream in the end. Anyway, I say all that because these topics are studying the extremes of the human mind. But of course, the extremes are just the edges of an incredibly complicated system that's just so fascinating to study.

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