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Andrew (Google Beam lead)

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I didn't think it's possible.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Hey, Lex.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

My name is Andrew.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I lead the Google Beam team and we're going to be excited to show you a demo.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We're going to show you, I think, a glimpse of something new.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So that's the idea.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

A way to connect, a way to feel present from anywhere with anybody you care about.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Here is Google Beam.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

This is a development platform that we've built.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So there's a prototype here of Google Beam.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

There's one right down the hallway.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I'm going to go down and turn that on in a second.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We're going to experience it together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We'll be back in the same room.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Whoa, okay.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Here we are.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

This is real.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Good to see you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

This is Google Beam.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We're trying to make it feel like you and I could be anywhere in the world, but when these magic windows open, we're back together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I see you exactly the same way you see me.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's almost like we're sitting at the table sharing a table together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I could learn from you, talk to you, share a meal with you, get to know you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So you could feel the depth of this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah, great to meet you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

For me, it looks real to you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We quickly believe, once we're in Veeam, that we're just together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You settle into it, you're naturally attuned to seeing the world like this, and you just get used to seeing people this way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

But literally from anywhere in the world with these magic screens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

This is incredible.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's a neat technology.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You know, it kind of fades it from my room into yours.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Of course, yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Wow.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It feels like you... Try this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Try giving me a high five.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And there's almost a sensation of being in touch.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Almost feel.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Because you're so attuned to, you know, that should be a high five, it feeling like you could connect with somebody that way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So it's kind of a magical experience.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

How much does it cost?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We've got a lot of companies testing it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We just announced that we're going to be bringing it to offices soon as a set of products.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We've got some companies helping us build these screens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

But eventually, I think this will be in almost every screen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

The audio is spatialized.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So if I'm talking from here, of course it sounds like I'm talking from here.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You know, if I move to the other side of the room.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Wow.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So these little subtle cues, these really matter to bring people together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

All the nonverbals, all the emotion, the things that are lost today.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Here it is.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We put it back into the system.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You pulled this off.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah, we've got a bunch of things.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Let me show you a couple kind of cool things.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Let's do a little bit of work together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Maybe we could...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

critique one of your latest.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You and I work together, so of course we're in the same room, but with this superpower, I can bring other things in here with me.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's nice.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's like we could sit together, we could watch something, we could work.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We've shared meals as a team together in this system, but once you do the presence aspect of this, you want to bring some other superpowers to it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I've got some slides I'm working on.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You know, maybe you could help me with this.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Keep your eyes on me for a second.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I'll slide back into the center.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I didn't really move, but the system just kind of puts us in the right spot and knows where we need to be.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Kind of morphs the room to put things in the spot that they need to be in.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Everything has a place in the room.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Everything has a sense of presence or spatial consistency.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And that kind of makes it feel like we're together with us and other things.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Let me tell you how this works.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You probably already have the premise of it, but there's two things, two really hard things that we put together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

One is an AI video model.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So there's a set of cameras.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You asked kind of about those earlier.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

There's six color cameras, just like webcams that we have today, taking video streams and feeding them into our AI model and turning that into a 3D video of you and I. It's effectively a light field.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So it's kind of an interactive 3D video that you can see from any perspective.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

That's transmitted over to the second thing, and that's a light field display.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And it's happening bidirectionally.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I see you and you see me both in our light field displays.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

These are effectively flat televisions or flat displays, but they have the sense of dimensionality, depth, size is correct.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You can see shadows and lighting are correct.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And everything's correct from your vantage point.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So if you move around ever so slightly and I hold still,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

you see a different perspective here.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You see kind of things that were occluded become revealed.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You see shadows that, you know, move in the way they should move.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

All of that's computed and generated using our AI video model for you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's based on your eye position.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Where does the right scene need to be placed in this light field display for you just to feel present?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

No, no, I hope not.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I think it's you and I together, real time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

That's what you need for real communication.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And at a quality level, this is awesome.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

realistic.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Let me, let me kind of show you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So if, if she enters the room with us, you can see her, you can see me.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And if we had more people, you eventually lose the sense of presence.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You kind of shrink people down, you lose the sense of scale.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So think of it as the window fits a certain number of people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

If you want to fit a big group of people, you know, the boardroom or the big room, you need like a much wider window.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

If you want to see, you know, just grandma and the kids, you can do smaller windows.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So everybody has a seat at the table or everybody has a sense of where they belong and there's kind of a sense of presence that's obeyed.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

If you have too many people, you kind of go back to like 2D metaphors that we're used to.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

People in tiles placed anywhere.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I mean, I see you without being scanned.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

So it's just so much easier if you don't have to wear anything.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You don't have to pre-scan.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You just...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Do it the way it's supposed to happen without anybody having to learn anything or put anything on.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's just vision.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

It's video.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

Yeah, we're not trying to kind of make an approximation of you because everything you do every day matters.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

You know, I cut myself shaving.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

I put on a pin.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

All the little kind of, you know, aspects of you, those just happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We don't have the time to scan or kind of capture those or dress avatars.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

We kind of appear as we appear.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#471 – Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet

And so all that's transmitted truthfully at the top of it.