Central Intelligence: Series 3: Episode 2
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This episode contains very strong language. Sometimes saving the world from communism meant committing resources to countries that most Americans never even knew were there, and still don't.
Growing up as a child in Guyana, my grandfather used to tell us stories that God made the United States.
As late as the 2020 presidential election campaign, Joe Biden was asked the following question.
What will you do that future grandfathers will continue to share the stories of our great nation?
Biden answered with his usual folksy charm.
I've been to Guyana. I've been all through Africa. And one of the things everybody has to remember is that we are, we have led the world, not just by the example of our power, but the power of our example.
The other thing people should remember is that Guyana is not Ghana, and it's in South America, not Africa. And in late 1964, it did indeed stand witness to an example of American power.
I am Eloise Page, and you are listening to Central Intelligence. My life inside the CIA. Demonstrators opposed to the Vietnam War. Heavy firing. Revolution in the Dominican Republic.
That's one small step for man. If we're to live in a world where every country can shape its own destiny.
Season 3, Episode 2.
By 1964, Britain had little interest in spending the time and effort needed to keep British Guyana under direct rule. So they had allowed local Guyanans a small measure of autonomy, which wasn't going well. Isn't this a problem for the Brits? Well, Mr. President... As our director, John McCone, and deputy director of plans, Richard Helms, were explaining to President Johnson... Where is this goddamn place, anyway? Helms? British Guyana. It's in South America, sir. Above Brazil. Next to Venezuela. Which, in fact, is an issue. Mr. President? Yes, Jerry? Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara is here.
Yeah, yeah, sure. So what's the issue? What are you getting hot under the collar about? Well, the Brits allowed the Guyanans limited self-rule, and in return, the Guyanans elected a president called Chetty Jagan, who's an East Indian dentist.
How does the episode set the Cold War context for British Guiana in 1964?
Mac, come in. What's up?
Well, sir, I... Oh, apologies. I didn't mean to interrupt. Didn't interrupt me. But if you're in the middle of something, I can... Nope. McCone is, but I'm not. What's happened? Well, the South Vietnamese are asking for help, sir. Doing what? Tying their shoelaces? They want to attack some of the bases on the coast, just across from the North Vietnamese border. Good idea. Nice to see them showing some initiative. And they're asking if a couple of our ships can intercept the comms from those bases. What would that mean? Just a support role. We'd send up a destroyer or two. They'd stay inside international waters, identify the best targets. But we wouldn't be combatants. We wouldn't take any offensive action ourselves.
No, sir. but the intelligence we pass on will be invaluable. Okay, let's do it. Thanks, Mac. Yeah, you got it. I'll set things in motion.
Have we finished, McComb? No, Mr. President. The Guyanese population, you see, is roughly half Indian in heritage and half black African. What? Like Jamaicans.
What are you talking about? British Guiana, sir. Okay, what about it? Why do we care? Helms, give it to me in a nutshell. Because the Guyanese Premier Jagan is a Marxist and his wife's a communist, sir. He's just raised taxes on everyone to support a welfare program. And British Guyana is now in danger of becoming a jumping-off point for a whole wave of Cuban insurgents all through South America. Oh, for Christ's sake, how the hell did that happen? Because the Brits allowed them limited self-rule. Well, tell them to unallow it.
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–3:28
2
How does the episode set the Cold War context for British Guiana in 1964?
3:28–9:01
3
Why is British Guiana suddenly a U.S. national security concern?
9:01–14:52
4
What is the White House reaction to Cheddi Jagan’s Marxist-leaning government?
14:52–24:04
5
How does the UK’s Leyland bus deal with Cuba complicate U.S.–UK relations?
24:04–27:12
6
What covert strategies does the CIA propose to influence Guyana’s upcoming election?
27:12–34:30