Chapter 1: What concerns are raised about e-scooters in Dublin?
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Live line at rte.ie, the email address or give me a call on 0818 715 815 and John is on the line. John, you're something of an avid cyclist I take it, is that right?
I am, yeah, Ciarán, yes. I used to race and stuff and now I'm at an age where I just commute using my bike.
What part of the country are you in?
I'm in Dublin, so quite close to the city and so I cycle around the city quite a lot.
So what have you noticed then on the roads on your commute on your bike?
Yeah, really what I've noticed lately, and well it's probably building up over quite a while, is the amount of really high-powered electric bikes
using cycle lanes and in fact I've witnessed two really bad accidents with them where people have been ploughed down and I've had a friend who has been really badly hurt by one and there seems to be no recourse or you're just told well that's it get on with it you know and so what I started to do was to start to look at how are these bikes being sold and who's selling them and what's the legislation around them and I've
It found that while the legislation is really clear as to how all the different bikes are classified, none of the shops, or a lot of the shops that sell them, recognise that classification. So what you have is that... A legal e-bike is defined as something that you can pedal and pedal assist and the motor can only operate as you pedal up to a speed of 24 kilometers an hour.
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Chapter 2: What types of electric bikes and scooters are being sold online?
One is that they're all advertised as e-bikes.
Yeah.
If you look and Google e-moped, and I'll come back to where a lot of them are advertised in a second. If you look to where they're advertised, there's nobody saying e-moped and there's never a mention of tax and insurance. You might find buried in the website for a shop somewhere that the rules are this, but there's no relation, it's never mentioned on the ad. But here's the second thing.
A lot of these bikes that people are buying come two ways. One is that they're locked and they're locked in a way that make them legally e-bikes. So there's a lock on it, right, to say that it can only go to 24 kilometres an hour pedalled. But there's also a facility on those bikes to unlock it. Now, once that facility's on a bike, that makes it an e-moped, whether you use it or not.
So it would be the same as if you bought, say, a 1,000cc motorbike and locked it to... a 250cc motorbike. It's still in law a 1000cc motorbike.
So there's lots of people driving these bikes today, and if they're involved in an accident, they will find themselves potentially in very serious trouble because they've no tax and insurance on their moped, even though they might think they're operating within the law because it's locked. That doesn't matter. Once you can unlock it, That's what counts because the bike is capable of doing that.
But even beyond the tax and insurance issue, John, and you touched on it right at the outset. I mean, if they're on a machine that can go 50 or 60 kilometres an hour without them putting in any effort other than pushing a little lever with their thumb on the handlebars and they're in a bike lane where you've got
You know, people travelling maybe 15, 20 at max, maybe if they're kind of on a road bike in the commute, maybe 25 kilometres an hour if they get a good stretch, but generally far below that. And you're going to have kids on the way to school as well. Tax and insurance are the least of their worries. They could kill someone.
It is, yeah. And basically what I've seen in the two crashes I witnessed is they slam on the brakes and the bike isn't made for braking at that type of speed.
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Chapter 3: How are e-bikes classified under current legislation?
I asked for it to be taken down the next day and it was put back up the next day. So there doesn't seem to be any monitoring of these ads on adverts and how people can make all sorts of claims about them. There doesn't seem to be any control There's one shop in particular that has 635 ads. Now, he's listed on advert as a private seller, but he's 635 ads.
Nowhere, and some of the stuff he's saying is perfectly legitimate, but they're also really selling all those really powerful motors. electric bikes that are mopeds. And nowhere does it ever say on the ad that it's an LE1 moped or an LE2 moped.
But is the problem, John, partly that selling them is actually, you know, under the current legislation and the regulations, selling it is actually not a problem. Nowhere in the legislation does it say what you have to call it. It's more how it's treated once it's on the road. So there's a kind of a, there's a bit of a gap.
When a shop advertises a product under all sorts of rules and regulations, it has to actually describe it. Particularly if you're selling online, you have an obligation to make it very clear to the customer what they're buying. And this isn't done. For example, they advertise that an e-bike, they call them e-bikes, they never call them e-mopeds. And I think that's the first thing, right?
They never call them e-mopeds. So even the fact that they're called e-bikes, people think I really believe that people think just because there's two pedals on it, it's perfectly safe to do that. And it's an e-bike. Nobody ever stops and says, this is equivalent to a Honda 50cc. The same kind of power, the same kind of speed.
And one of the real dangers in these bikes is that they take off at a really fast speed. you know, because there's no... Nearly faster sometimes than motorbikes because it's direct drive. It's straight into the back wheel and gone, you know.
And one of the things that I really find disconcerting is the food delivery companies are well aware of all their... I would say the vast majority, and I think you'd probably agree, Ciarán, you drive around the city, the vast majority of the food delivery company guys are using these bikes.
Yeah.
And nobody, they don't care.
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Chapter 4: What risks do modified e-bikes pose on the road?
Yeah. We got on to... to distilled media. They own adverts.
Yeah.
And we're, you know, awaiting a response from them as to why these things are up there. I mean, beyond reporting individual ads, have you asked them why there's a preponderance of these ads on the platform? What did they say to you?
They don't ever answer that. What happens is, there's two ways you can report an ad to Adverts. There's on the ad itself, you can press a button and report. I've never had ever, and I've made numerous reports that way, I've never once had a response to that. So then I discovered by accident, because there's no notification around this to fill media, and around reporting under the...
It's an e-mail act, it's a sales act.
Yeah.
A bit of a sales act, right? Now they say they're exempt and they possibly are, I don't know about that. But I discovered that there is a website that you can actually make a complaint directly to them under the Digital Sales Act. And there's a drop-down box that you can make it to either Done Deal, Adverts, I think they own Gumtree or something like that as well.
So I've been making the complaints through that. And all that they ever come back to and say is that they've reviewed that particular ad and they've taken it down or they've amended it. I've also pointed out numerous times to them that the same advertiser has several similar ads up there, but they never respond to that point.
It forces you to kind of report them one by one, despite the fact they're all the same.
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Chapter 5: How are e-scooter accidents affecting public safety?
So I'll just briefly tell you I concur with most of what he said. But my incident was I do a cycle. I'm about to do it today, actually. You know, I'm back cycling 20 years. So I started back cycling when I was 50, 70 now. But I'm not a nervous cyclist, right? But I was at the junction. I cycle out to Corners Court from where I live down near Rings End.
And I was just about to cross the dual carriageway just at the end of the cycle to Corners Court. And I get the green light. I check over my left shoulder quickly because it's a filter left lane. I look to my right to see if any traffic coming, including along the cycle lane there. And the light goes green, just about to push off.
And this e-bike, like it was more like, it was one of these bikes, it was like an easy rider. The handlebars really high and the loads fatter.
And these really thick wheels.
Yeah, I know the ones, yeah. Yeah, and I'd say, like, he just swooshed past me coming in the wrong direction along the cycling. So as I looked to my right to check if any cars or cyclists or e-bikes are coming, and I just didn't see this guy coming on the wrong side of the road. And I was just about to push off, and he flew past. And I just kind of thought, what the hell?
And when I looked, he must have been at least 50 metres away in the space of, you know, a couple of seconds. And he was flying.
Was he pedaling?
No, no, this was like, no, no, this was... So he's not pedaling, he's going over 25, over 25 kilometers an hour? I'd say he was doing double that, right? Right.
And so he's on a motorbike, basically. He's on a motorbike and not only is he not on the road, he's in the cycle lane, but he's in the cycle lane going the wrong direction.
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Chapter 6: What issues arise from the advertising of e-scooters?
And what I have noticed is more cycle lanes are being built. But actually, I think it's more dangerous now cycling than it was, say, five, ten years ago, you know. It seems to be... Because of these or for other reasons? Well, partly because of those. Because, you know, I was cycling out. I do another cycle, which is a longer cycle, out to Carrick Mines. And I did that two days ago.
And there were three incidences, all with electric bikes. Yeah. And the one most serious one, one of these guys actually wasn't an electric bike. It was one of these where you stand stationary, little scooter things. You know the way you're just standing on the platform, so there's no movement. So, you know, you're not going to notice no noise. And this guy flies up, and I'm in the cycling lane.
But the cycling lane had these little plastic bollards on the outside of it. I don't know if you're familiar with those. I do know them, yeah. Yeah. And obviously, I'm cycling. This guy is flying. I couldn't hear him because it's an e-scooter. And he goes up on the footpath and pulls in ahead of me then and goes on. Now, there was no danger to me. I just got a fright. I thought, Jesus.
But when I watched the speed he was going at, it was extraordinary. And I was on one of these...
standalone you know scooter things where your station is standing on sorry they are a curse they are an absolute curse and I don't I might say don't mind saying it sorry I know there's people who love them and they'll be texting in now giving out that I said this but they're an utter curse and the same people who love them will tell you oh they're going to deal with all the congestion problem all the evidence are the people who are on e-scooters used to get the bus or used to walk or used to cycle nobody gets out of their cars and gets in an e-scooter
They haven't got a clue about rules of the road. Yeah, yeah. And they always, why they always, always, now I know always an exaggeration, but it seems to me so many of them are wearing dark clothing, no reflective gear, no helmets, and they're absolutely flying along, you know, zigging and zagging in and out of traffic.
It's unreal. John, you were jumping in there.
Yeah, the legal e-scooters are generally not a problem. Because they're controlled and the speed and the power is controlled. I'd ban them all, John. Yeah, but here, Children's Health Ireland have issued a statement saying that the biggest single cause of traumatic brain injuries through accidents in children at the moment is illegally scooters.
I know the consultants in the hospitals have been on the radio and as far as I know, a group of consultants have written to some of the delivery companies because they're seeing endless people coming through A&E. There's a very easy solution to the delivery companies.
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Chapter 7: How are delivery companies contributing to e-scooter problems?
Let me bring in Dick, he's after getting in touch as well. Ciarán, do you mind if Neil goes? I'm Neil. Neil, just this once, I'll let you go, all right?
Thanks, Ciara.
Thanks, Neil. I appreciate you getting in touch. Dick is on the line though as well. Dick, you had an incident like Neil, did you? A close call.
I had two very incidents like Neil. One was, I just got operated on my knees and I'm walking out of my house and this is where I fear for children. I'm on, in my driveway, I'm walking out of my driveway onto the path or into the path area and I looked to my left as I was looking across the road and And within seconds to my right, about a 10-year-old, he just flew past me.
I'd say he probably clipped my toes. But a second earlier, he would have caught me right in the middle. And I'd say he would have upended me and probably broke my legs or my hip or anything like that. But he was absolutely flying. And I don't care where you are now in Dublin or anywhere, they're flying all over the place. They've no respect for traffic lights. It's just, it's free for all.
You might as well take the cycle lanes out and take the traffic lights down because it's getting rampant. And the other incident was when I caught up with a guy out in Blanchardstown on the main roads there, up by Abbottstown and that, 55 miles an hour they clocked him. He's on the footpath and I'm driving beside him.
And what was he on?
He was on one of those stand-alone ones at the back. Not the big bike, the scooter. The scooters are absolutely monster they are. There's some of them and they're huge. Powerful, powerful scooters. I watched them coming into the shop and they jump off of them and they leave them lying outside the shop and they run in and get whatever they want to get. They're only kids.
And next to all the four of them going off, off they go, down the footpath. And there's kids everywhere. And I heard what the doctor said only a couple of months ago. You know, the trauma injuries. And they're all from these scooters. As Leah said, They're not wearing reflective clothing. They're always in black for some reason, always. And they always have a scarf around their face.
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Chapter 8: What solutions are proposed for regulating e-scooter use?
Go on, John.
John, you go first, then you, Dick.
Yeah, the loophole in the sale is that they can be sold for use on private land. And that's the loophole. But I think the caller was right. Let's not think that this is a problem. Yes, there's a tuggish element using these and they can be seen around, particularly around the north inner city. I'm not talking about those people on the radio today.
I'm talking about your average Joe Soap that's gone in and out of an office and holding down decent jobs, and they're on these illegal mopeds. I'm not even sure they realise they're illegal. And they're flying, and they think they're on, probably think they're on, legally, e-bikes in the bike lanes. And they've no idea that they're breaking the law.
And I don't think there seems to be an appetite with the road safety authority or the government to address this problem. And I think it's only going to come about from pressure from the public. And I'd ask that your programme sticks with this story for a number of months and try and bring about change. What I'd be interested in now, after this, where I mentioned my issues with adverts,
Will they change? Will they now start to moderate these ads? Will they start to pull them off because of this? And maybe come back to this in two weeks' time and see what happens. Will anything, will the food delivery companies start to moderate? And will they make any change? Because otherwise, all that we're doing is shooting the breeze here.
Dick, you wanted to jump in there.
Sorry, John.
Go on, Dick. I did want to jump in because over the last, say, 10, 15 years, Ireland has pumped millions into promoting fitness for people. Fitness this and fitness that. And the e-scooters are the exact opposite. As you say, they don't walk, they don't run, they stand on a bike or they sit on a bike and they just power themselves. They don't pedal and they just power themselves.
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