SUMMARYMatthew Wadiak, co-founder of Blue Apron, joins the show to share his incredible journey of building one of the most well-known meal kit services in the world. He discusses the highs and lows of scaling a startup, including the challenges of logistics, fulfillment, and the process of taking a company public. From wild customer service nightmares to the pressure of keeping innovation alive while preparing for an exit, Matt provides an unfiltered look at the realities of running a high-growth business.Now, he’s onto his next big venture—Capsule, a new sustainable beverage company tackling the problem of plastic waste in packaging. With years of research and patented technology, Matt is revolutionizing how we consume drinks by replacing traditional plastic bottles with innovative, eco-friendly pod systems. He shares invaluable insights on entrepreneurship, leadership, and the importance of staying adaptable in an ever-changing business landscape.CHAPTERS02:35 - The Early Hustle: From Startup to Scale05:12 - The Two Worlds of a Growing Business07:43 - Logistics Nightmares: A Rodent Tale Gone Wrong10:26 - Surviving the Chaos of a Rapidly Scaling Business13:05 - Lessons from Taking a Company Public15:47 - The Biggest Pitfalls When Preparing for an Exit18:22 - From Blue Apron to Innovation: A New Sustainability Mission20:58 - Revolutionizing Beverage Packaging: The Birth of Capsule23:40 - The Hardest Lessons in Entrepreneurship26:19 - Final Advice for Entrepreneurs: What I’d Tell My Younger SelfConnect with Matthew Wadiak:Website: www.blueapron.comX: @MWadiakConnect with Rudy Mawer:LinkedInInstagramFacebookTwitter
Chapter 1: What was the early hustle like for Blue Apron?
Hello and welcome back to another episode of Living the Red Life. Today joining me is Matt and I'm sure you maybe used or at least know his company. So he founded Blue Apron, grew to 2 billion IPO, millions of customers using it weekly. I've been a fan and I'm so excited for this episode.
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So obviously, most people know Blue Apron and, you know, became a very, I think, disruptive and fast growing brand, at least in my eyes. Do you mind just giving a couple of minutes overview for people that maybe know less about it?
Chapter 2: How did Blue Apron disrupt the meal kit industry?
Sure. Blue Apron was the first meal kit company in America providing all of the ingredients and a recipe card that allowed customers to cook step-by-step recipes at home. And we grew from a tiny fulfillment center originally in Queens doing about 20 meals or 20 customers per week to millions of meals per week in three major geographies and five distribution centers.
Yeah, it's crazy, right? Like I, you know, I've been a marketer for 12, 15 years and I started in the health space and I did some marketing for a friend that owned a meal prep company. And it's like running a business and marketing it's hard enough, but like just thinking about the fulfillment of going from 20...
meal for that it's like it's like a whole second business right the fulfillment of it so i would love to ask you some questions on that in a bit but let's talk about the the juicy growth side first which is what my audience love like what was some of the big breakthroughs or lessons growing it so big
We had a lot of cadence from day one because we, first of all, you have to understand the era. It was a time in which there was a massive underserved audience. And whenever you see pent up demand, it's about capitalizing on that demand from a marketing perspective to get share of market and capture as much total addressable market as possible, right? Yeah.
Chapter 3: What were the biggest challenges in logistics for Blue Apron?
So we did something that was really unique on day one. And I entirely attribute this portion to my co-founder, Matt Salzberg, at the time. We had initially built a referral program into our initial web product that included rewards for customers. You know, as many companies have rewards for customers who are loyal to their brand. But what we did was a reverse referral program.
And back in those days, thinking back 15 years ago, we would, instead of giving the buyer a reward or a free box for loyalty, we would allow, after the second box ordered,
the the customer to gift three first boxes to their closest friends and on its head initially we had thought we don't really know how people are going to respond to this because it's not a selfish gift it's not something that people receive personally it's the gift of giving right yeah yeah It was fascinating because we were the first to do that, that I know. And that became a viral sensation.
So for the first few years of the company, 80% of our customer acquisition with double digit monthly growth, sometimes triple digit monthly growth, was attributed to our referral program, which was really novel for the time.
yeah it's it's fascinating i and i still i mean i know some companies do that i still don't see that many do it and i think it works so beautifully for like that sort of product because it's like you're given the gift of health in some ways right and like you know i guess 15 years ago you really hit that health trend right i started in health about 15 years ago i have a sports science background and you know obviously now there's meal prep and meal kits on every corner and
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Chapter 4: What lessons were learned from taking Blue Apron public?
But yeah, I guess, you know, do you feel you were like part of it? Obviously, there's a lot that went into the success. But, you know, was it like a right place, right time sort of blue ocean thing when you started?
Yeah. So if you if you think back to the days of Iron Chef and Emeril Lagasse and the Food Network's peak, when people were still watching cable or more people were watching cable, at least. There was more interest in food and food celebrity and celebrity chefs than any time in history with less people actively cooking in America than any time in history simultaneously. So I think what we have...
hit was the cultural zeitgeist was saying we want to do this thing we want to cook at home but because people were watching cooking on tv and not cooking at home a lot of folks didn't know how to cook so oh apron ended up being the gateway that empowered folks to learn the basic skills to chop vegetables and prepare a piece of meat and put a basic meal together with their family
Chapter 5: What are the key pitfalls when preparing for a business exit?
So that was embraced. And of course, you know, the rest after that VCs and PEs jumped on that and advertising went crazy.
Yeah. So you grew initially from this referral system. When did you get serious on like paid ads, TV, social ads, that sort of stuff?
Yeah, so acquisition through Facebook early days was our first cohorted spend into customer acquisition. And back, I'd say, you know, in the early days of Facebook, two years in or so, we didn't really have to advertise on Facebook for the first year. After that, we started dripping spend into social engagement and spending money on CAC. That was fairly cheap at the time.
Chapter 6: How is Capsule addressing sustainability in the beverage industry?
You know, back then you could have a business selling almost anything and have, I mean, people didn't talk about ROAS back then, but you could imagine like a seven or eight ROAS, right? In today's terms.
Well, it launched 10 years ago and I was like super profitable on day one back in the, you know, the golden days. Now you lose money on the acquisition most of the time.
Chapter 7: What innovative strategies are used in beverage packaging?
Facebook has been smart in that their strategy as a business is to take as much money from their customers as possible without bankrupting the company. It's great for their bottom line, but it's not the sole channel to acquire customers anymore. And we need to be a little bit more educated in our span as modern entrepreneurs. But back then, we could acquire a lot of customers online.
through Facebook. And then of course we had influencer based ads, early days of, of influencers and social engagement and paid. And then we started, you know, things like, um, you know, my heart, you know, we did Howard Stern, we did TV, we did direct mail. We really did all of the channels at one point or another. And as the company became more mature, it became clear that, um,
you know multi-channel approach like like most businesses today was critical to maintaining reasonable count well especially because eventually you create this like you know i always teach i teach a lot of entrepreneurs and on stage like you want to become the go-to brand in your industry right so like that multi-channel approach especially for you kind of gave you you know that that and
Chapter 8: What final advice does Matthew Wadiak have for entrepreneurs?
later I would love to ask about competitors that popped up along the way because I'm sure there was you know plenty that you were fighting off and stuff but before that the second part of the acquisition model that I always teach is the LTV right and most beginner entrepreneurs don't understand LTV I didn't used to and then
When I did, it helped me go to tens of millions instead of a few million because I built a backend. Obviously, you had probably great CAC in the early days. You had all these quote-unquote free customers from the referrals, right? Obviously, you had some cough there, but it wasn't bad. And then you probably had a crazy LTV, too. What was your LTV and backend like?
Without recalling exact numbers from like 10 years ago, it was very good. And, you know, our CAC to LTV ratio was excellent. I still look at that. And I think a lot of folks, you know, look at ROAS and tacos and, you know, that kind of stuff today, especially Amazon sellers. But it really all boils back down to ratios between, you know, acquisition and LTV ratio.
And, yeah, it was very good, obviously, in the early days without a lot of competition. We had high loyalty. We had high spend on a per customer basis. And over time, you know, when there was more P.E. and V.C., anything good is going to get copied. Right. People all dumped their VC checks into advertising, in many cases at a loss, and it became a bidding war.
I think that's something we'll have to be aware of and conscious of is, do I want to grow at this pace? Do I want to attract investment in lookalike companies? And what am I prepared to do? How am I prepared to think about not just where I am today with LTVs and CAC, but what happens if this market becomes saturated and how I'm going to address that through different channels?
Yeah. And I mean, your business was more than most, I would say, like set up super well for like high LTV. Right. But did you, you know, obviously it's set up well because people love it and that becomes a habit. Right. Like a gym membership. If you get into the gym, you stay with the gym generally if it's good.
But did you do any specific things to really drive lifetime customer value and loyalty or did you just let it be a good product and people stayed?
Yeah, we had various programs. We had a kids' cooking school program. A lot of our customers were parents. So in the summertime, we would do an engagement around several boxes in succession that were also learnings, kind of like a summer school cooking, where you'd plant peas and we'd set a can of soil with peas. And that one week, you'd plant them. The next week, you'd water them.
The third week, you'd clip them and use them in a salad. So we had really cool projects like that. We had lots of affiliate stuff going on.
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