In 2016 the painter Chantal Joffe approached the writer Olivia Laing to ask if they would sit for a portrait. Out of that meeting emerged a close friendship and collaboration, and out of that collaboration has emerged Painting, Writing, Texting (Mack), an account in words and images of what can happen when two ways of looking at the world converge. Painter and writer were at the shop to talk about art, writing and collaboration, chaired by Emily Labarge (Dog Days). You can buy a copy of Painting, Writing, Texting from the London Review Bookshop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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