487: Golgari in the Play Booster Era | Archetype Series: Part 2
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Gaining life is not enough. If you're saying, I want to gain life to make the game go long, you have to then have a reason for the game to go long. And the reason for the game to go long cannot just be, my pest mascot is a 7'8 now. We are returning to the Archetype Architecture Series Part 2, looking at the much maligned, much misunderstood, and much... underperforming black-green in Limited.
Green and black are just diametrically opposed to each other in the types of games they typically want to play, like as colors in the color pair.
So that's why we're sort of coming into it with a like black-green doesn't usually work because that's what we're shown is that black-green doesn't usually work. So we will have a lot of information about when it doesn't work and we'll have some information about when it really seems to succeed and try and draw some conclusions from that.
Hello, everyone, and welcome to not just another episode of Lords of Limited. We've got another throwback from the Paternity Chronicles here. My name is Ben Worney, and joining me on the line, as always, is Ethan, The Rock, Sax, and his Millions.
The Rock came out to surprise the Millions!
That's the, what is the, yeah, Jabroni... Know your role. See, I know all the The Rock phrases.
Yeah, love it.
Is that true that The Rock deck was named for Dwayne The Rock Johnson? Absolutely, yeah. That's crazy. I never knew that.
So there was a deck in 1999-ish. Sol Maka was the deck designer. And... The the rock was deranged hermit which was a very old card it's three gg for a one one and when it comes into play it brings four squirrel tokens and it gives all squirrels plus one plus one which sounds absolutely broken for five man and it is but it has echo which means that. During your upkeep after it comes into play, you have to pay the echo cost. You have to pay its casting cost again or sacrifice it. And then the next game plan was to loop deranged hermits with diabolic servitude. So that's a three and a black enchantment. When it comes into play, you choose a creature in your graveyard and put that creature into play. And when the chosen creatures put into a graveyard, you remove the creature from the game.
It's like you basically just get to cast multiple deranged hermits. And then you have Phyrexian Plague Lord as like kind of a machine gun sack outlet type deal. So this was three black black for a four four. You could sack the Phyrexian Plague Lord itself to give something minus four minus four until end of turn. But it also had the ability to sacrifice a creature to give target creature minus one minus one until end of turn. So you had those squirrels to throw as machine guns. So this deck was named after Dwayne, the rock Johnson, because deranged hermit was the rock and the squirrels that he brought were his millions. Dwayne, the rock Johnson and his millions.
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wow yeah wow the history lesson i love it i love it i'm very excited to be talking about black green i had a lot of feelings about this archetype as i was like doing my deep dive a lot of feelings when i was reading through like your notes about what black green usually does in limited and a sort of like wrestling with my own proclivities of like Why am I always inclined to like this color pair, despite how often it has used, abused, and I have misused it in the past, you know? And maybe we'll dig into that a little deeper, but this archetype appeals to me, it appeals to my sensibilities, but it does not often deliver.
Yeah, it does not appeal to me and does not often deliver. Must not be nice for you. I feel like green, black, and limited has the same problem as green, black, and cube, which is just like the other colors just get to do it better most of the time.
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