Macro N Cheese
Episodes
Ep 178 - A 21st Century Bill of Rights with Harvey J. Kaye and Alan Minsky
25 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Harvey J. Kaye and Alan Minsky stop by the Macro N Cheese clubhouse to talk to Steve about the 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights. Kaye, ...
Ep 177 - Economic Superorganism with Carey King
18 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This episode of Macro N Cheese introduces us to Dr. Carey King of the University of Texas at Austin where he performs research and modeling of energy ...
Ep 176 - Brazil: From Hope to Fascism with Daniel Conceição
11 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Dr. Daniel Negreiros Conceição developed an interest in economics at a young age, having experienced the consequences of inflationary crises during ...
Neocolonialism and the Unholy Trinity with Fadhel Kaboub
04 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Our listeners know that Steve is a perpetual student -- his YouTube show is called The Rogue Scholar. He makes no apologies for past incomplete or err...
Taming Inflation with Robert Hockett
28 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
** Be sure to check out the transcript for each episode of this podcast on our website, where you will also find an “Extras” page with links to re...
Inflation: The Fed's Crash Landing with L. Randall Wray
21 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Real Progressives and Macro N Cheese are committed to bringing MMT to activists and folks with no background in economics. Many of us were only intere...
Pakistan's False Dawn and the Beginning of History with Aqdas Afzal
14 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
A false dawn is a promising situation which comes to nothing. This is how Aqdas Afzal describes the situation in his native Pakistan and India at the ...
Ep 171 - A Macro View of Iceland with Ólafur Margeirsson
07 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
**Transcripts and extras for this episode can be found at realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast.** Iceland’s economy is an example of MMT work...
Mao: The Cultural Revolution with Carl Zha
30 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Welcome to the third and final chapter in our series with Carl Zha on Mao and the Chinese Revolution. This one covers the sticky wicket of the Cultura...
Mao: The Civil War and The Great Leap Forward with Carl Zha
23 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
**Every episode of Macro N Cheese has a full transcript at realprogressives.org/macro-n-cheese-podcast. While you’re there, check out the extras pag...
Mao: The Sino-Japanese War with Carl Zha
16 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In the first of a three-part series about Mao Zedong and the Chinese revolution, Carl Zha sets the stage with its pre-revolutionary history. Carl, hos...
The E-Cash Act with Rohan Grey
09 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
“In one sense, it's a state initiative, but in the other sense it's actually preserving rights of individuals against the state.”Rohan Grey is bac...
Investing in Sustainability with Paul Herman
02 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
** If you haven’t checked out the transcripts and extra resources for all 166 episodes of Macro N Cheese, what are you waiting for? Go to realprogre...
Finding Mosler with Philip Armstrong
26 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
What a pleasure hearing Phil Armstrong tell us how MMT makes him feel supremely confident. He’s not afraid of going toe-to-toe with “experts” de...
Ep 164 - Bullshit Jobs? with Erik Dean
19 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It's hard to imagine ever having been unaware of the concept of bullshit jobs, but David Graeber made it official and helped us understand their role ...
The Intersection of Marx and MMT with 1Dime
12 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Here’s an episode for those Marxists curious about MMT and MMTers curious about Marxism. Steve’s guest is comfortable identifying as both. Tony, b...
War and Peace: Ukraine and the Neoliberal Project with Alexander Valchyshen
05 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
**There’s a transcript accompanying every episode of Macro N Cheese. You'll also find links to other resources on the Extras page. Go to realprogres...
Ep 161 - Challenging Critiques of MMT with Yeva Nersisyan
26 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
**Every episode of Macro N Cheese has a full transcript and an “extras” page with links to additional resources. Find them at realprogressives.org...
Ep 160 - Agitating Out of Poverty with Ruchira Sen
19 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Steve’s guest is Dr. Ruchira Sen who got her PhD at UMKC where she studied with a number of friends of this podcast. Herresearch areas are in femini...
Examining China with an MMT Lens with Yan Liang
12 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week’s episode is another chapter in our mission to educate ourselves about modern China. Yan Liang specializes in Modern Money Theory, interna...
Everything You Heard About China is Wrong with Vincent Huang
05 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
What do you know about modern China? Is it capitalist? Socialist? What do those terms mean in today’s global economies? According to Steve’s guest...
Foundations with Warren Mosler
29 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
**Have you seen the Rogue Scholar, Steve Grumbine’s new brown bag lunch show on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays at noon EST? For interviews, commen...
Ep 156 - Doughnuts with Steven Hail
22 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Macro N Cheese devotes considerable attention to ecological economics and environmental justice. We’re always working to expand our understanding of...
Ep 155 - Duality with Bill Mitchell
15 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We call this episode “Duality” because it covers what Bill Mitchell describes as separate realities experienced by the elites and the masses. We d...
Sustainability: The New Economics with Stephen Williams and Phil Lawn
08 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Stephen Williams and Philip Lawn join Steve to discuss the forthcoming book, Sustainability and the New Economics: Synthesising Ecological Economics a...
Red MMT España with Stuart Medina Miltimore
01 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Stuart Medina is a founder and current president of Red MMT Spain. He joins Steve this week to talk about conditions in Spain after two years of the p...
Understanding Inflation with Fadhel Kaboub
25 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week’s episode is the audio portion of a presentation by our friend Professor Fadhel Kaboub when he spoke with the Hanon Project's Yousra Magou...
Ep 151 - Can Blockchain Help the Left? with The Blockchain Socialist
18 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The Blockchain Socialist wants to dispel the notion that blockchain technology can only serve a right-wing libertarian agenda. In this week’s episod...
Unanswered 9-11 Questions with Ray McGinnis
11 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's one thing to understand the US government will not protect us from certain types of abuse by corporations. We see it in the weakness of labor law...
Storming the Ivory Tower with Davarian Baldwin
04 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Do you think of colleges and universities as protected islands of intellectual activity, ivory towers where the world’s problems are contemplated an...
Participatory Economics with Michael Albert
27 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Michael Albert is one of the creators of participatory economics (parecon) and has developed a vision for a post-capitalist world that includes partic...
Mapping the Future of Humanity with Parag Khanna
20 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
**Reminder** Each episode of Macro N Cheese is accompanied by a transcript and an “Extras” page with links to related material and resources. To a...
MMT Europe with Dirk Ehnts
13 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Dirk Ehnts, an economist from Berlin, joins us to talk about his book, Modern Monetary Theory and European Macroeconomics. In addition to discussing t...
The Fall of Evergrande with Robert Hockett
06 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Somber headlines recall the 2008 financial crisis: “Global financial markets have been on high alert,” warns the BBC. “Chinese property giant Ev...
The Battle for America's Schools with Rana Odeh
30 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve investigates the cutthroat world of local school board elections. So, get ready to get down and dirty... Just kidding! His guest, Rana...
Ep 143 - Whither the Next Rebellion with Jamie Skillen
23 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In 2014, Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters engaged in armed confrontation with law enforcement. Bundy had been embroiled in a 21-y...
Things That Should Not Be with Scott Fullwiler
16 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve welcomes Scott Fullwiler for the first time in two years. Scott is a research scholar at the Global Institute for Sustainable Prosperi...
The New Liberals with Steve Keen & Victor Kline
09 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we’re checking in with a couple of candidates from The New Liberals (TNL) of Australia. We’ll be learning about the traditional Australi...
What If We Lose Faith in the Dollar? with John Harvey
02 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Our friend John Harvey is back to answer a question that’s usually accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth: “what happens if people lose...
Ep 139 - Critical Mass with John & Aaron Yarmuth
25 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Modern Monetary Theory Has a New Friend in Congress said the headline of a New York Times op-ed earlier this month. That friend is House Budget Commit...
The Lightbulb Moment with Malcolm Reavell
18 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
MMT, at its most fundamental, shows us the difference between a currency user and the currency issuer. This reality affects policy decisions in ways i...
When Less is More with Jason Hickel
11 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Steve’s guest, Dr. Jason Hickel, is an economic anthropologist whose research focuses on global inequality, political economy, post-development and ...
Money and the Limits of Sovereignty with Scott Ferguson
04 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Scott Ferguson serves as editor of the Money on the Left (MotL) Editorial Collective and co-host of the Money on the Left podcast. In July, he was gue...
The Flint Water Crisis with Jordan Chariton
28 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Status Coup Media's co-founder and CEO Jordan Chariton joins Real Progressives’ founder and CEO Steve Grumbine for a discussion of our crumbling inf...
Infrastructure with Robert Hockett
21 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve brings back Robert Hockett to help us understand the big “I” word - infrastructure.Our focus on particular infrastructure depends ...
Organizing For Power with Marianne Garneau
14 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Marianne Garneau is a labor educator and organizer with the historic IWW, Industrial Workers of the World. She’s the publisher of the website Organi...
The New Untouchables with Patrick Lovell and Eric Vaughan
07 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
When Bill Black introduced us to Patrick Lovell and Eric Vaughan, they were just wrapping up production of their documentary series, The Con, about th...
The Geopolitics of the Russian Revolution with Esha Krishnaswamy
31 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Esha’s last visit to Macro N Cheese inspired Steve to read Lenin’s What Is to Be Done and John Reed’s Ten Days That Shook the World, igniting a ...
Ep 130 - Beyond The Black Jacobins: The Haitian Revolution with Pascal Robert
24 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In the US we are taught history from the point of view of the colonizers. The heroes are the victors, and the victors are the ruling class - the oppre...
Through the Eyes of Garry Davis: The World is My Country with Arthur Kanegis
17 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
On Macro N Cheese, we often focus on economics - how society organizes real resources, and human life in general. We always seek ways to get our...
How We Fund Policy Matters with L. Randall Wray
10 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
L. Randall Wray is a founding father of Modern Monetary Theory and is always a welcome guest on this podcast. This is his SIXTH episode of Macro N Che...
The Rent's Too Damned High with Cory Doctorow
03 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Cory Doctorow’s bio says he is a science fiction author, activist and journalist. He’s also a podcaster, blogger, Tweeter, and that rarest of bird...
Ep 126 - An MMT Perspective: Interest Rates and Inflation with Warren Mosler
26 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Real Progressives is on a mission to bring Modern Monetary Theory to the layperson. We don’t assume you’ve studied economics, only that you’re o...
Ep 125 - Degrowth with Lorenz Keyszer
19 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It’s customary to think of growth as something to aspire to and celebrate. It’s one of those words with positive connotations, like progress. Grow...
The Race to the Bottom with Fadhel Kaboub and Bill Black
12 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
To unpack the confusion around the push for state-based vs federal programs, it’s necessary to understand the race to the bottom. So this is where S...
Ep 123 - Defining the World of Crypto and the Digital Commons with Rohan Grey
05 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
If you’re a crypto-phobe, or simply bored by fintech and all those “coins,” don’t let it stop you from listening to this episode. Rohan Grey p...
The Case Against a Universal Basic Income with Bill Mitchell
29 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Professor Bill Mitchell was our very first guest on Macro N Cheese, and now here he is, 122 weeks later. Episode #1 was Putting the T in MMT. This wee...
What Marx Got Wrong with Steve Keen
22 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Steve Keen can be counted on to bring a unique and controversial perspective. This time he turns his critical gaze toward what some feel is sacred in ...
Ep 120 - Chain Reactions with Mike Figueredo
15 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Mike Figueredo and Steve Grumbine have a lot in common. Both are on a journey toward radicalization. Both recognize the importance of MMT in this proc...
Point Counterpoint: The Biden First 100 Days with Robert Hockett
08 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Robert Hockett is back to share his irrepressible optimism as he and Steve review Biden’s first 100 days. They both admit the administration has don...
The Web of Progress with Jen Perelman
01 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week our guest is the fearless Jen Perelman, host of JENerational Change and recent challenger to establishment sweetheart Debbie Wasserman-Schul...
Reparations with Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen
24 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Kirsten Mullen and Sandy Darity join Steve to talk about their book From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-Fi...
Ep 116 - Beyond the Deficit Myth with Brian Romanchuk
17 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Steve catches up with Brian Romanchuk to talk about his latest book, Modern Monetary Theory and the Recovery. Brian was last on in episode ...
Fiscal Money and the European Union with Marco Cattaneo
10 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Even a very dysfunctional system is beneficial to somebody. And that's the reason why changing course is difficult.Economist Marco Cattaneo joins us t...
Ep 114 - When the Whistle Blows with Richard Bowen
03 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Steve Grumbine welcomes the uncompromising and incorruptible Richard Bowen to the studio to discuss the intricate web of deception and fraud more comm...
Financial Fragility with Eric Tymoigne
27 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Real Progressives recently created a series on fraud and the great financial crisis. To further understand the economic underpinnings of 2008 and othe...
Neoliberalism: The Denouement with Thomas Fazi
20 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
At the start of the pandemic, Thomas Fazi wrote an article entitled “Could COVID-19 Vanquish Neoliberalism?” It was in response to the optim...
Ep 111 - Cancel This Podcast with Dan Kovalik
13 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve talks with Dan Kovalik, a labor and human rights lawyer, who recently wrote a book aptly titled Cancel This Book. The episode is more ...
Taming the Megabanks with Art Wilmarth
06 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve talks with Arthur Wilmarth, fresh off his appearance in our current series, The New Untouchables: The Pecora Files, which dovetails ne...
Ep 109.5 - Austin Needs Water with Romteen Farasat
03 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In this extra edition of Macro N Cheese, Steve talks with Romteen Farasat, Incident Commander of Austin Needs Water.We all saw the news photos of Texa...
Institutions with Linwood Tauheed
27 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Steve talks with Linwood Tauheed, someone we’ve heard about from several of our recent guests. Dr. Tauheed is an institutionalist economis...
Knowledge is Power with Rev. Delman Coates
20 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The last time Delman Coates was a guest on Macro N Cheese, the Our Money campaign was still fairly new, this podcast was on its 20th episode, and none...
We Are Losing The Media War with Jordan Chariton
13 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
From his days at TYT to his ground-breaking investigative work at Status Coup, Jordan Chariton has been on the front lines of journalism for years. Th...
Reform or Revolution with Danny Haiphong
06 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We at Macro N Cheese are big fans of Black Agenda Report because of their clear, no-bullshit analysis and their global perspective. This week’s gues...
The Case for Scottish Independence with Kairin Van Sweeden
30 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We’ve had several episodes on Brexit, but this is the first time we’re talking about it with a Scottish nationalist. Kairin Van Sweeden is the exe...
Focus on the Family with June Carbone
23 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Recently our friend Bill Black introduced us to June Carbone. He suggested she could tell us how the job guarantee fits into cutting edge research on ...
Ep 103 - Anatomy of a Job Guarantee with Fadhel Kaboub
16 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
What can we say about the job guarantee that hasn’t already been said? Quite a bit, actually, as you’ll see in this and upcoming episodes.Th...
The Global Scourge of Neoliberalism with Patricia Pino
09 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Steve Grumbine has been in the hospital with Covid-19 complicated by pneumonia. We’re encouraged by his progress and expect to have him back in the ...
Ep 101 - Beat Back Better: Organizing in 2021 with Emma Caterine
02 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Happy New Year! Welcome to our first episode of 2021. Among ourselves, we on the Macro N Cheese team often debate (argue) whether it’...
Flying with Sara Nelson
26 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Happy 100th!To our supporters, both old and new,Thank you for making this podcast a success exceeding our expectations. For the story of Macro N...
Ep 99 - A Modern Debt Jubilee with Steve Keen
19 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Are you listening to Macro N Cheese on our website? If not, you’re missing the transcript and extra content that accompany each episode. ...
Imminent Collapse with L. Randall Wray
12 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Randy Wray joins us for his fifth Macro N Cheese episode. As always, he brings loads of useful insights and factual information, both histo...
Solidarity with Joe Burns
05 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
You don’t have to be a Marxist to know the vital importance of labor. Workers hold the key to social change. They keep us fed, clothed, and provided...
Treasury’s Gift To The Fed with Robert Hockett
28 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
When Steve Mnuchin announced a clawback of the CARES Act, the liberal media wasted no time before launching condemnations. Among our friends in the MM...
The Land Value Tax with Joshua Vincent and Rich Nymoen
21 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Not all of our listeners are anti-capitalist but it’s safe to say that most of us object to the accumulation of massive wealth solely by virtue of i...
Political Sobriety with Rohan Grey
14 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
At Real Progressives, we get daily messages from people who are still recovering from Bernie’s trouncing in the primaries. They remain distraught, d...
The Public Banking Act with Rohan Grey
07 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On October 31st, Rohan Grey posted a 31-part Twitter thread about Rashida Tlaib’s and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez’s new Public Banking Act, which he ...
Propaganda and the Vortex of Centrism with Esha Krishnaswamy
31 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Esha Krishnaswamy, host of the historic.ly podcast, joins Steve to talk about the frustrating political miasma of centrism. Centrism. So vapid and in...
Ep 91 - Crisis Management with Warren Mosler
24 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This second part of Steve’s conversation with Warren Mosler was to be about the government response to the pandemic, but first Warren talks about di...
The MMT Sequence with Warren Mosler
17 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Talking to Warren Mosler reminds us just how far MMT has come since the days he traveled from conference to conference, peddling his intellectual ware...
Juxtapositions with Bill Mitchell
10 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Bill Mitchell joins us this week to discuss a plethora of American misconceptions… perceived exceptionalism, obvious neoliberalism, and a dysfunctio...
Ep 88 - Debt Deflation and the Neofeudal Empire with Michael Hudson
03 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Some of us Macro N Cheesers first heard the term “rentier class” from Michael Hudson’s interviews and YouTube talks. In today’s episode, he an...
Ep 87 - A Just Transition Through Participatory Governance with Cindy Banyai
26 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Our guest, Cindy Banyai, is exactly the kind of person we want representing us wherever policy is made. She has the life experience of a working woman...
Ep 86 - 2020 with Margaret Kimberley
19 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We here at Macro N Cheese are immersed in the world of MMT, but that doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate people who aren’t yet on board. As long as...
Shadow Banking with Robert Hockett
12 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Back in 2018, Steve invited Robert Hockett to come on to talk about shadow banking and explain its role in the 2008 financial crisis. We’re bringing...
Ep 84 - African Sovereignty and a Global Green New Deal with Fadhel Kaboub
05 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Our guest this week is long-time friend of the podcast, Fadhel Kaboub. The Macro N Cheese audience will remember when Fadhel and Ndongo Samba Sylla vi...
Mutual Credit and the War on Cash with Brett Scott
29 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week Brett Scott brings us a report from the war zone. He’s based in the UK but the war on cash serves the same global interests and employs th...
Ep 82 - A Lesson in Systemic Racism with Camille Walsh
22 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Whenever Steve's guest is a lawyer, we know we're going to learn something new. Rohan Grey told us it's like the saying: “when you're a hammer, ever...
The World of Angrynomics with Mark Blyth
15 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
World-renowned economics professor and accomplished author/podcaster/speaker Mark Blyth joins us this week to discuss MMT, the variants of capitalism,...
UNI's for All with Ben Wilson and Scott Ferguson
08 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
The Covid19 pandemic is much more than a public health catastrophe; it has highlighted and exacerbated economic, social, and environmental crises on a...