What happens when global policy decisions collide with the realities of the shop floor? In this episode of MakingChips, the team sits down with Brennan Grignon, founder and CEO of Vantive, to unpack the hidden complexity behind supply chains that power everything from defense systems to everyday manufacturing. With experience advising at the highest levels of government, Brennan brings a rare perspective on how geopolitical decisions ripple all the way down to machine shops across the country. At the heart of the conversation is a hard truth: supply chains are not as flexible as policymakers often assume. Moving production isn't like flipping a switch—it's a tangled web of materials, processes, certifications, and human expertise that can take years, not days, to shift. And yet, those decisions are being made every day, often without a full understanding of the downstream consequences. The discussion dives deep into the structural challenges facing the defense industrial base, especially for small and mid-sized machine shops. From cash flow constraints and unfavorable payment terms to the rising cost of compliance like CMMC, many shops are being asked to shoulder burdens that simply don't make financial sense. The result? A system full of opportunity, but also friction, risk, and misaligned incentives. Despite the challenges, there's also a sense of possibility. With advancements in digitalization, predictive modeling, and better visibility into supply chains, there's a path forward. But it will require collaboration, smarter policy, and a willingness to rethink how the entire ecosystem works, from government to primes to the shop floor. Segments (0:00) Setting the tone for the episode with Brennan's "dad joke" (1:31) Introduction to Brennan, Vantive, and her mission to solve supply chain disruption (3:58) Brennan's background advising the Department of Defense on supply chain resilience (9:38) Lessons from leading supply chain efforts during COVID response (10:55) Real-world example of how geopolitical decisions impact machine shops (15:22) The myth of "just moving production" and why it's far more complex (17:24) The emerging requirements of CMMC certification and the effect on the DIB (18:31) You need to come join us at IMTS 2026, September 14th-19th! (19:27) The missing piece in procurement: why supply chain risk isn't formally measured (22:10) Why small shops struggle to participate in the defense industrial base (25:13) The broken incentive structure between government, primes, and suppliers (32:10) Cash flow challenges and unfavorable payment terms for small manufacturers (37:21) Workforce instability and the impact of inconsistent demand cycles (38:40) Check out the Hennig WorkFlow: a 40-pallet automation system (39:31) Risks tied to critical materials and global dependency challenges (45:30) The looming impact of CMMC compliance on the majority of machine shops (48:50) Practical call to action: be specific, propose solutions, and leverage trade organizations (57:47) Can local MEPs help fund a small shop's CMMC certifications? (59:51) Get a free report of sales opportunities in your area at FacturMFG.com/chips (1:00:55) How Vantive is turning supply chain uncertainty into actionable data Resources mentioned on this episode Connect with Brennan Grignon and Vantive (and come see her at IMTS) Jason Ray and Paperless Parts Why AI Isn't the Answer for Quoting: The Risks of Using ChatGPT in Manufacturing How to Fix Your Quoting Process Before it Kills Your Shop You need to come join us at IMTS 2026, September 14th-19th! Check out the Hennig WorkFlow: a 40-pallet automation system Cybersecurity Requirements for DoD Contractors: A Deep Dive into CMMC with Jacob Horne Trade organizations: NTMA, NDIA, & AMT Oklahoma's MEP Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

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