I Was Robbed at Gunpoint, They Took Everything
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
What would happen if someone else got access to your phone? I'd not really thought about how serious that could be until this conversation with Victoria. Let's start on the day before the incident happened in Sao Paulo. Can you tell us what you were doing there? What was the day like? What was your mood?
Yeah, I was in South America traveling for four months, two months in Argentina, which is the country where I'm originally from, where this sexy accent is from. And then we went with my partner to Brazil for two months.
How did the armed robbery in São Paulo actually happen and what was the immediate reaction?
The last stop of that trip was Sao Paulo. We were going to be in Sao Paulo for eight days. I had never been in Sao Paulo before. And the mood was good. It was only four days until we flew to the UK.
Okay. And this was like a traveling holiday for an extended period of time or...?
Well, I have my own company, so I travel. I work all the time.
Okay.
From the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep. And I don't know if you have noticed that here the winter is horrendous. So we decided to go away to the southern hemisphere for four months.
And at what moment did you realize something was wrong? When did it go left?
Well, on the 24th of February, we went for dinner. It was a cocktail bar, had nibbles. And when we were walking back to the Airbnb, this is a touristic place, it's not like a favela or anything. where there was perceived danger. We're walking back 20 minutes and we see two food delivery drivers, the equivalent of Deliveroo, which is called iFood or eFood in Brazil. So they're in a moped and one of them is carrying a red backpack and the one on the back jumps out of the moped with a gun. and we were walking on the sidewalk like idiots looking at our phones, right? So the phone is unlocked. So they jump out of the moped with a gun, we give them the phones, which is what you do when somebody has a gun.
And I wasn't very worried at that moment. I mean, I was worried. Well, I wasn't very worried because I was alive first. That's a win, I think. Those moments last a few seconds and then you're lucky you're alive, right? It lasts five seconds. You're very scared, but that's it. It's not kidnapping. It's not... It's not sustained. It's not sustained. So... And again, maybe because I had been victim of gunpoint robbery in Argentina, not here, it wasn't It was less of a novelty to me than to my girlfriend. My girlfriend was like, what just happened? She thought that the guns were fake. And it's like, well, we don't have time to figure it out. And probably it's not. We are in a really hot city for crime. And I wasn't very worried because in my mind, they had only stolen a device.
And I have been victim of theft before. So if somebody steals your device, you go home, you put the iPhone, you find my iPhone and the button that says it's going to be wiped remotely. And that's it, right? That's simple. Or that was the simple story before this night. That was my experience before this night with phone theft. But that is not what happened. That night, I realized that people that steal your phone, they don't want access to your phone. They want access to your identity. And the key to your identity is your phone. So how did I realize that? Because for the next eight or nine hours, which I spent awake with my partner... Every 10 or 20 minutes, we got an alert of different financial accounts that were compromised.
Because I run my own business, I have personal accounts and business accounts, right? Here in the UK, it's really easy to get an account of anything. You have a lot of credit cards, a lot of digital banking. It's very easy, costs nothing. So why wouldn't you have... Five accounts, seven accounts, 20 accounts, personal and some business. So that night I realized that that was a liability. And every 10 or 20 minutes, when my partner were sitting across each other, like we are now, and it was like, oh my God, my Revolut got hacked. My Revolut business got hacked. My wife got hacked. My Binance got hacked. My Coinbase got hacked. For hours and hours. And I think I went to sleep like at 7 a.m.,
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:34
2
How did the armed robbery in São Paulo actually happen and what was the immediate reaction?
0:34–11:24
3
Why did Victoria initially think losing her phone wasn’t the worst outcome?
11:24–19:22
4
How did thieves use an unlocked phone to access bank and crypto accounts within hours?
19:22–50:45