Convergence in motion: Inside the institutional blockchain shift
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What is driving the current convergence between traditional finance and public blockchains?
Hello and welcome to JPMorgan's Making Sense. I'm Emma Londrio, head of Labs at Connexus, which is JPMorgan's blockchain business, where I look after our public blockchain efforts. Traditional finance and the public blockchain ecosystem are converging like never before. In today's episode, we'll be exploring what's driving this convergence, where the current infrastructure falls short for the biggest players, and where the industry is headed next. And to discuss these dynamics, I'm joined by Ollie Harris, Head of Connexis.
Thanks, Emma. It's great to be here.
We're happy to have you. So Ollie, Obviously, there has been a ton of movement in the blockchain space recently. Traditional finance is making serious investments alongside the crypto nature, and the crypto native firms are doing their best to build for institutional liquidity. What is actually happening in this space from your seat?
Yeah, I would say this time round the convergence isn't driven by hype. You know, crypto prices have been roughly flat for a long time. The previous cycles were all about the asset, and now this time it's about the rails, not speculative. And you can see this across a range of different businesses and commercial opportunities as this convergence grows. Whether it's BlackRock, Franklin Templeton, or even our own JP Morgan asset management tokenizing funds, not for experimentation, but for operational alpha and distribution. And I think what's super interesting these days is the convergence of digital money. money, tokenized real world assets, and crypto assets all on the same rails.
It's very interesting because I think in the previous cycle, you know better than I do, we've always focused on solve a problem. Use blockchain where there's opacity or where you need consensus-driven transparency in a value chain. But this seems different. There's so much more focus on going where the distribution is, where the other assets are, and where you can get yield. How are you seeing that difference?
Yeah, this time round there's an interplay of the technology is now enterprise grade and fit for purpose.
How are compliance, privacy, and finality becoming the core design requirements for institutional blockchain adoption?
There's increasing regulatory clarity. Whether that's Mika in the EU, Genius in the US, and in Singapore and other jurisdictions continue to get increasing regulatory clarity. So this time round, there's real market structure change and the Plumbing is being refactored across payments, settlements, collateral, fund servicing, you name it. And it's boring on purpose and boring is what scales.
Absolutely. And as we think about this, one of the things that I've noticed is that you're almost seeing this mirroring of traditional markets on the public blockchain ecosystem. So we're seeing more traditional assets getting issued. You have crypto prime brokers. I've even heard of a firm who's looking at creating structured products, others who are doing collateralized lending. All of these things are really starting to build an ecosystem on the public blockchains that our institutional clients seem to want into. So how are you thinking about the approaches that hold up at scale that are actually fit for institutions?
Yeah, we're definitely seeing the convergence and the blurring between traditional financial services and the web three crypto native world. I would say when you think about the key design requirements and what's needed to scale this convergence is three things from my perspective. It's compliance, privacy. And finality. And solving those three points is going to be incredibly key as you think about accelerating the adoption of these new emerging rails.
So for institutional users, compliance, so ensuring they're meeting AML obligations, KYC obligations, sanction obligations, finality, both legal finality and a new thing to navigate in this world, technical finality, right? And privacy are three really key drivers for any infrastructure decisions. Let's dive a little bit deeper into those.
Yeah, exactly. So I would say historically, public blockchains were radically transparent by design. And until recently, there were some trade-offs between compliance, privacy, and finality.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is driving the current convergence between traditional finance and public blockchains?
0:03–2:13
2
How are compliance, privacy, and finality becoming the core design requirements for institutional blockchain adoption?
2:13–4:35
3
Why is interoperability seen as the solution to the blockchain trilemma for institutions?
4:35–7:16
4
What distinguishes deposit tokens from stablecoins and why do they matter to institutional clients?
7:16–9:53
5
How are real‑world asset tokenizations (RWA) reshaping liquidity and market structure?
9:53–12:27
6
What operational benefits do 24/7 programmable rails and atomic cash‑asset settlement provide?
12:27–15:33
7
How should large institutions prepare for the next wave of blockchain‑enabled financial services?
15:33–17:35
8
What are the long‑term implications of a unified cash‑and‑asset blockchain ecosystem for the financial industry?
17:35–19:28
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