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Chapter 1: What emotional details are revealed about Harry and Meghan's upcoming UK trip?
Siksi Vaasan Sähköllä on asiakkaita joka ikisessä Suomen kaupungissa. Ai Vaasan Sähköllä. Just niin. Pitkä historia ja yli hyvä hinta vetää puoleensa. Siis näinköhän. Kurkkaa sopparit osoitteesta. Siis onko Rovaniemellä? Siellä ollaan myös. Tampere? Kyllä. Kurkkaa osoitteesta. Siis Oulussakin. On, on. Ja osoite on.
Hello, hello, Outlouders, and welcome to Mamma Mia Outloud. It's what we've been actually talking about on Wednesday, the 24th of June. I'm Holly Wainwright. I'm Amelia Lester. And I'm Claire Stevens. And here's what's made our agenda for today. So did she say that or didn't she say that? The big debate about Pauline Hanson and maternity leave.
Plus why it's actually a good thing that you're not jetting off to Europe this winter.
And the influences on a very controversial rib recontouring holiday.
But first, in case you missed it, Amelia Lester.
Well, as we talked about on Monday, Harry and Meghan are headed to the UK in a matter of weeks. And we're tracking that trip and what's going to happen very closely. And today, People magazine reported on a tantalising detail about the trip. It's about where they might stay. And it looks like it's going to be Althorp House, which is Princess Diana's childhood home.
And you might remember also that name is familiar because she is buried there as well. Now, according to Althorp House's website, and I love the detective work here, it is closed next month on the exact dates that Harry and Meghan will be in the UK. Aww.
Harry has previously stayed there and people says he is leaving Charles' texts on read because apparently Charles is offering him all sorts of royal accommodations and Harry's not interested. Apparently he also previously declined an offer to stay at Buckingham Palace, which I get. I bet it would be drafty and cold.
He'll be staying at several places, let's be honest. He's not going to only be there for two days. So I reckon if I was Harry's PR, and let's remember the fact that this is People in People magazine is very relevant because People magazine are one of Harry and Meghan's favoured mouthpieces, right?
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Chapter 2: Did Pauline Hanson make controversial statements about parental leave?
I think it'll be really emotional and really moving if we get images of those kids like playing on that property.
Some people might say it would be more emotional and moving if we didn't get images.
Then how will we know it happened, Holly? We'll only know if we see it.
If we see the backs of their heads. Yes, I can picture it, can't you? They're like backs of their heads, black and white, on the island. It's summer. There will be flowers. There will be like little floral dresses. There will be like solemnity. I can imagine if I was the PR, I would be salivating over these opportunities, but I think maybe I'm being cynical.
Yeah.
But one thing that confused me about the People article is that it doesn't necessarily paint Harry that, if it has come from the Harry and Meghan camp, it doesn't necessarily paint them that well in terms of leaving Charles on read. Like, Charles is trying to help.
Yeah, but remember, in Harry's world, Charles is also part of the problem. Like, the leaking of all the details and all those things. I don't know. I think he probably will stay at a royal residence in London as well.
Or maybe just, like, on a friend's sofa somewhere.
Travelodge out near the airport. London's expensive. It really is. So did she or didn't she say that? Pauline Hanson's press club address one week ago today started all kinds of fires and ultimately sent opinion polls soaring in her and One Nation's favour. There was a lot to unpack from that. We're not going to do that. There was monoculture. There was no more SBS.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of the rib recontouring procedure discussed in Bali?
That's the difference. She was talking about the pay gap, which we could get into, but that's a whole separate thing. But basically she and she repeated that. She's repeated that since saying small businesses shouldn't have to pay for paid parental leave. And what a lot of other politicians have come out and said is, yeah, that's not the rule. That's not the policy.
So she kind of seems to be coming out and criticising something that isn't the reality. About 70% of businesses choose to do their own parental leave. But that's 30% of businesses who are well within their rights to say maybe we can't afford it. It's not sustainable. And paid parental leave payments are going up as of July 1, which I am personally really excited about, gunning for.
Do you have something going on? Yeah, I'm keeping my cervix closed because I just need that extra couple of grand. But I do think it's a straw man argument that she kind of keeps saying businesses shouldn't have to pay and all the other politicians are saying they don't have to. And she's like, they shouldn't have to.
Right. I see. So that's where you're coming from, Holly, is like she's sort of making a controversy out of something that isn't a controversy because companies don't have to pay for parental leave anymore.
And also it is quite, well, I mean, I want your opinion on this, but it's Trumpian to me to be like, set a little fire over here and then deny that you did it.
And I do think it's fair to say that that is a Trumpian move. But I think there's one huge difference between Donald Trump and Pauline Hanson, which a lot of people are missing or not talking about. And that is that Donald Trump is first and foremost a celebrity. And Pauline Hanson is first and foremost a politician.
She has been in politics, in national politics for 30 years now, since 1996 when she was first elected to the House of Representatives for the seat of Oxley. And I think as a result of that, it's much harder for her to claim genuine outsider status. Trump was a businessman and then a reality TV star.
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Chapter 4: How does Brian Johnson claim international travel affects aging?
And being president of the United States was his first position in elected office. So I think there's a big difference in where they're coming from. And to me, Pauline Hanson actually sounds much more like a conventional politician than Donald Trump. Arguably dodging the question the way she did on that show that we just heard, arguably dodging the question is the most politician move there is.
It's not necessarily Trumpian so much as that's what politicians do. They answer the question they want to answer and they avoid whatever they don't want to talk about. So...
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, that she's a more experienced politician than Donald Trump, I think it's going to be really interesting to see whether the Australian people, when it actually comes to voting, whether that kind of changes how they see her and whether it's a good thing for them that she has that experience or whether, as Americans decided with Trump, it's a good thing that he doesn't have experience in politics and that he therefore theoretically brings new ideas to the table.
I think that's a huge difference between the two of them.
That's a really interesting point that she isn't an outsider yet. kind of the entire philosophy of One Nation at the moment is almost that they are, that they're coming in and speaking the truth and shaking things up. It's sort of similar to what she said in her press club address about childcare.
She talked about childcare and how it's a $16 billion industry and where's that money going and I want to do a big investigation. And, yeah, thinking about it, I'm like, oh, you've been in politics for 30 years. You...
I would assume you knew more about childcare than I do, but clearly that's appealing to people, the kind of I'm standing outside of it and I'm just looking at things sensibly and this is what I'm saying.
But I wonder if that outsider appeal, whether people are going to buy that when it comes to actually voting. We've talked about the opinion polls, but we're in the middle of a term right now when it comes to people actually voting, are they going to buy that outsider status for someone who has been a politician for longer than many voters have been alive?
I think you can absolutely sell her outsider status because, yes, she has been a politician for a very long time, but she doesn't talk like a politician. She doesn't look like a politician in that our politicians generally look like dudes in suits. She has been shunned by the major parties for all of that time.
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Chapter 5: What are the potential risks associated with rib contouring surgery?
Oh, well, that's different. And then she said since women, actually she said years ago, women should have autonomy over their own bodies. And then there's another straw man argument where she'll say, women shouldn't be getting abortions at 39 weeks. And it's like, that's not what the abortion conversation is ever even about.
But it's very Trump where it's like, I'll throw something out so that it appeals to the average person. I don't think women should be getting abortions at 39 weeks. And you feel like putting your hand up and saying, yeah, so that's not actually happening. But it doesn't matter because she's clearly won over some element of common sense.
But that kind of pragmatism is what reminds me of Donald Trump.
That's true. But again, there are prominent members of One Nation, and Barnaby Joyce is now one of them, who are on the record as being very anti-abortion and speaking about it in a very ideological way. And so again, it's a little bit... if that is an issue that you feel strongly about,
I think that is a position that One Nation, they want that to become something that's debated in the mainstream in Australia, which to be fair, it hasn't been in the way that it has been in America. It's not really a big issue for most Australians.
But I feel like it's coming. And you're right, Senator Malcolm Roberts has argued for an outright ban on abortion. So when people press Pauline Hanson on that, they're really saying, hey, your senators are being very black and white about this and, you know, for... A lot of women, it is a huge, you know, question about human rights.
And for her to kind of then be, you know, then be quite adaptable when asked the questions seems quite insincere when the rest of her party is being very, very black and white.
I think what's clear is that, as you were alluding to before, Holly, in the regions particularly, but all over Australia, across demographics, polling shows us that people want change. And so whether or not this sort of meteoric rise of One Nation, which took 30 years and then happened overnight...
Whether or not that leads to Pauline becoming Prime Minister or One Nation holding more power in Parliament is going to depend on whether Labor can successfully sell their budget changes as that change movement that people want.
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Chapter 6: How does social media influence perceptions of cosmetic procedures?
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I was off in Tasmania the week before last. Oh, that was a good time. It was a great time. I didn't think about anything serious. I just drank nice wine and ate nice food. Tasmania's lovely. Anyway, that's not the point. While I was away, you lot talked a lot about Madonna's new video. This is the video where Benedict Cumberbatch dances. Lots of women apparently shoot lasers from their vaginas.
That was fun. And Kate Moss makes an appearance. And I was like, I wonder what my friends are going to say about that.
Because Fred would have been completely positive. You would have had no criticism.
Can you even sing any of the songs featured in that video? Oh, no.
I should have watched it just before I came in because there was one banger and it was the one that Benedict was dancing to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, Eula, I thought that some of the commentary was a little bit ageist. I'm just going to say it. For those of us who grew up with Madonna being it, being cool, being the thing, we're finding it hard to let go of that. But luckily, Madonna has no time for you naysayers. The woman backs herself with the confidence of a Sanderlands and I am here for it.
This week it was reported that the much discussed biopic, well, it was being discussed really heavily a few years ago, that there was going to be this biopic of Madonna's life that Julia Garner was going to play her.
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Chapter 7: What ethical concerns arise from influencers promoting surgery?
Such good casting. She's from, what's she from?
Ozark. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was in Inventing Anna.
That's where she became really big. I'm whispering to Claire right now, do you think it was that much discussed?
I think so. I know. Look, I think somebody put forward Julia Garner and everyone went, excellent casting. She looks like a younger Madonna.
There was a famous Madonna boot camp where apparently all these actresses went to try and learn how to be Madonna and Garner was the winner. Anyway, the working title was Who's That Girl? And Madge, as us Gen Xers call Madonna, Madge was going to obviously produce, script all the things, right? But it's fallen over.
And she has said, and I love this, I love this spin, we had a falling out, me and Universal, that being the producers of the show, regarding budget, because I needed, I've had an extraordinary life, I've had a huge life, so I needed a big budget. I found a way for them, she says, to make it for less money in Serbia. But I don't think they were into it.
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Chapter 8: What humorous insights are shared about aging and lifestyle choices?
I don't know. Maybe they just didn't believe in me. One of their first reactions was, we don't believe you'd stay in Serbia for more than four days. But Madonna lives in Portugal. She loves Europe and the smaller countries of Europe. I just love it. She's like, you guys don't have enough money to do my life justice.
What I would pay to be in on those meetings where they were giving feedback to Madonna about her vision for her own life. And she was like, there is no budget. There can be no budget. And they're like, there is a budget. Yeah. There actually is. Her not being able to stay in Serbia for more than four days, I just, I respect the person who said that.
It would be a good movie, guys. She has had a very interesting life and you can't tell that kind of life for like $10.50. And an iPhone.
Given what we saw from her short film, it was not a film clip. Given what we saw from her short film, who's not paying respect now, Holly?
And also that did not look low budget, did it? The lasers alone would have been a lot of money.
Yeah, but her creative vision, it was confused, I have to say.
And you know what? I don't think it was filmed in Serbia.
No.
I just don't. No. Are you headed to Europe for a fabulous northern summer of Aperol spritzers by the pool in Positano? No? Well, then I have some good news for you, which is that staying at home is actually really good for your health.
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