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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Monday the 23rd of March. I'm Holly Wainwright. I'm Claire Stephens. And I'm Amelia Lester. Do you like our new look, ladies? I hate that I just said ladies. Let me just take that back. Because I actually hate it when people say ladies to me and then I find myself doing it.
And do you know what I'm going to say guys now? I know, so... Do you like our new look, friends?
See, I find ladies ironic. I use it ironically. Like, come on, ladies. Hey, ladies. Yeah. But absolutely love it. Love that I'm on it. Feel very included. There's been a lot of chat in the Outlouders group about, like, the positioning, like who's in the middle, who's on the end, all of that. I'm on the end.
Yeah. LAUGHTER
Oh, you noticed. You noticed that. Em is very front and center. Well, she's got main character energy. She does have main character energy.
Mia elbowed her way towards the front too, the main character energy, which is earned. Yes. Roundly earned. But if you don't know what we're talking about out loud, look at your phone, look at where you're listening to this. We've changed our artwork. We've changed our colors. I'm a big fan of the blue for obvious reasons. You know I'm a blue person.
Anyway, this is unimportant and nothing to do with what we're talking about today, but I just thought I'd mention it because we all do look very glorious in it. I thought Mia was on the end too. I thought she was sort of second from last. Anyway, I can't conjure it.
No, neither. Look at it. Because I reassured myself. I was like, if Mia's on the end, then me being on the end is okay. You two are on the end.
We've bookended very well, I would suggest. Just all the rabble in the middle. Anyway, on our agenda for today. And we know that everywhere you look right now, everything's a bit panicky. We know there's a lot going on. We know we're all worried about our bottom lines. But today we're going to give you other things to think about and chew on because there's enough of that out there already.
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Chapter 2: Why was the latest season of The Bachelorette US cancelled?
Oh, my God. Loved it. And it was all about, like, secret garments and all this, like, and then I watched that one and those women, they didn't seem to be holding anything back.
No. It was pretty out there. It's very Mormon but not Nazi. Mormon, but controversy. Yes. So Taylor in particular was involved in the soft swinging scandal. That was a big thing in 2022, which again, not very Mormon. That's not in the scriptures. So she's cast on The Bachelorette.
It's not in the scriptures. It's not. I'm so glad you're here, Claire, to explain that to us.
I don't know what's in the Mormon scriptures, but I don't think that's in there. Soft swinging and TikTok dances. We've seen the Book of Mormon, and it's not in it. It wasn't in there from memory. So she's cast on The Bachelorette. And again, she's a Utah mum influencer who is known for having a very turbulent relationship with her ex-partner, which had been reality TV fodder.
So they're broken up, but they have two kids together.
And were they broken up in secret lives of Mormon wives?
So their tumultuous relationship was very much a plot point. Got it. Yes.
And I know I might be pushing your knowledge of the scripture here, Claire, but clearly Mormons are allowed to get divorced. Clearly they are. I thought they weren't, but clearly if she's on The Bachelorette.
I'm sure they are, but they were never married. Oh, okay. They were together, had two kids, split up.
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Chapter 3: What lessons can we learn from the Matildas' recent performance?
And that sound, oh, the sound of a child crying is just so viscerally disturbing.
Did this video come from nowhere?
Well, they think once she gave a statement, it's clear she believes it came from him, that it was leaked from him. So ABC announced that Taylor Frankie Paul's season of The Bachelorette would not be airing. And as we've said, that cancellation is such a huge deal.
Shouldn't they have, like, done their due diligence before this? Like, did they know before the video gets leaked that she had this... I'm going to use the word problematic, even though it sounds much more serious than that, about this problematic incident in her past.
This is what is the elephant in the room, is that what this video shows, which is violence, isn't actually news to anyone. Shouldn't be news to anyone. Shouldn't be news to ABC. Shouldn't be news to anyone who's watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Because Mortensen filed domestic violence charges against Frankie Paul in February 2023. So two years ago.
Frankie Paul struck a deal in which she pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated assault, a third degree felony, and had the other charges dismissed, including the domestic violence charges. But that fight and its aftermath were a plot point in season one of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
So it was more than an open secret. Yep.
Yep, so it showed her interactions with local police. That was all filmed. So it seems like it was fine when it was for reality TV and then when we actually see the reality of it, it's suddenly absolutely not fine. Holly, do you think we've sanitised violence so much that it's not until we actually see footage that we realize how abhorrent it is?
Yeah, I think that's really interesting. I think that, I mean, obviously, I shouldn't say it goes without saying, but obviously, any kind of violence is abhorrent. Domestic violence statistics are overwhelmingly that usually the perpetrator is a man. But obviously, in this instance, that isn't the case.
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