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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Wednesday, 6th of May. I'm Holly Wainwright and the first thing I'm going to do, the first order of business, very simple. Out Louders, if you love your show, please vote for us in the upcoming Australian Audio Awards. There's a People's Choice category. It's really straightforward.
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And as a bossy girl, I just concur with Holly. I know it took a lot out of you to make that ask of people, and I think that's a great step towards greater self-assertiveness.
I'm growing. I'm growing, Amelia. I'm growing. I'm Amelia Lester. And I'm Clare Stephens. And here's what's made our agenda for today. So now that it's all over and many damning text messages scatter the ruins of what was the biggest celebrity story for a couple of years, just who did win in the whole Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni court case drama?
Plus Cameron Diaz is a mother again at 53 and Holly has some thoughts.
And veteran broadcaster James Valentine filmed the last year of his life for the ABC. And between a living wake and his openness around voluntary assisted dying, he's opened a conversation around what it means to die a good death. But first, Amelia Lester.
The Met Gala. Did it feel different this year? A lot of people said that it did. Amy O'Dell, a fashion writer, wrote in her background newsletter that the Met Gala was all money, no soul. And she wasn't alone in this criticism. Basically, people are saying that because Jeff Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez Bezos, sponsored the event, it just started to feel a little craven, a little gross.
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Chapter 2: Who boycotted the Met Gala and why?
And she, remember she gave a speech a while ago where she said, you lot, give more of your money away. So I don't think she would have been either welcome or willing to go because Jeff might have worried that she was going to shake him down in the bathroom to share more of his money. Zoe Saldana. She is somebody who is usually there. She was not there. She is almost as rich as the billionaires.
She is an unbelievably well-paid actress because of her Marvel and Avatar connections. So... Zoe's at home counting her dollars. Olivia Rodrigo, that tracks too. She is political. That would not be surprising. She's in the middle of an album promo, so you might have usually expected her to be there.
Lady Gaga, an interesting one because she could have been expected to be there because she's in The Devil Wears Prada 2. And the rest of the, well, Meryl wasn't there, but Meryl never goes. So that's not surprising. But Anne Hathaway, Emily Blunt, Stanley Tucci were all there.
And Stanley Tucci with Emily Blunt's sister.
That's his wife. That's always fun. So maybe Gaga, but also she's kind of said lately that she's going to focus on promoting things she wants to promote rather than just being around. Lewis Hamilton, come on. Like he's literally dating Kim Kardashian who's extremely Bezos adjacent. I don't think that was a political statement.
But let's get to the big guns. Some were missing, right? Like who? Sarah Jessica Parker.
Yeah, so Sarah Jessica Parker.
A Met Gala stalwart.
I reckon that is probably, I would say that's almost definitely a boycott. Yeah. But she went to support Anna at a dinner, but she didn't go to the red carpet.
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Chapter 3: What controversies surrounded Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni?
But then they're saying, you know, J-Lo. I don't think J-Lo was boycotting. I just think she's tired. Harry Styles.
Chapter 4: How did the Met Gala feel different this year?
Harry Styles is in the middle of rehearsing for his tour. He's in a studio in Bethnal Green running through it, not that I've been stalking him. Justin Bieber, he's just done Coachella. Boy needs to lie down. Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, she never goes. And I don't think she's... So I think that some of the boycotts are not...
I think that's right. But it's interesting that some of the tech billionaires, it clearly got to them a little bit. So it's interesting that Jeff did not walk the red carpet with Lauren. That's very unusual. They do everything together. We've learned this from various pieces about them.
And Lauren's dress being very boring. Do we think that was intentional?
A little bit understated for Lauren. Yeah. But I think it was, it had a very specific art reference. It was the same dress as someone called Madam X and it's like scandalous women.
John Singer Sargent. Yep. It's interesting, though, because Jeff did walk the carpet in 2013 when Amazon sponsored the event. There was no outrage back then when Amazon sponsored the event, and he walked with Mackenzie, then Mackenzie Bezos, his wife at the time.
Mark Zuckerberg also made his Met Gala debut with his wife, Priscilla Chan, and they also didn't walk the red carpet, which I thought was interesting because it's kind of like, well, you want to be at the glamorous event, but you don't want the attention of being there.
Do you think they might have been... encouraged not to?
I don't think anyone encourages Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos to do anything. So if they'd have wanted to walk, they would have walked. Exactly. But there were some tech billionaires who did walk the carpet. Google founder Sergey Brin, he showed up on the red carpet with his girlfriend. Her name is Gerilyn Gilbert Soto. The New York Times describes her as a conservative gut health influencer.
That is the most 2026 job title. Claire, do you think that there's something inherently conservative about gut health?
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Chapter 5: What was the significance of Cameron Diaz's pregnancy at 53?
What do we want? There are no rules, but I am allowed to go, oh, poor Deb. Oh, no, I hate that. I am allowed. And then the tabloids, because, again, I'm a basic bitch, the tabloids were like, hey, basic bitches, we've made up a story for you. So there are sources.
in inverted commas, who say that Debra Lee Furness was a huge fan of the event and the decision to bring Sutton Foster was a final blow to Deb. And what I didn't realise when I went really deep on this was Sutton Foster's wearing a ring, like they think that Hugh proposed in January and they think they're going to have some trend in New York wedding. And is that also not allowed?
He's not allowed to marry again. Not ever.
Not ever.
i don't i don't know about that how do you know that deborah lee furnace is this is what i don't like about this narrative is it victimizes a woman who maybe is totally done with that you know what i mean she obviously she made up some statements that made it clear she was not happy when that relationship broke down but again three years ago so now she might be living her absolute best life thank god i don't have to go to the met gala with that guy
And maybe she disagrees politically too. We don't know anything about it. Hugh is kind of famously a conservative political voice because he is the godparent of Rupert Murdoch and Wendy Dang's children. Okay, that's a great fact. He is. That's interesting. And also he's very close with Ivanka Trump. So no one was surprised to see Hugh at the slightly MAGA-coded Met Gala.
Oh, wow. I think it's unfair. And I know no one's crying for the celebrities here. But I think it's unfair to brand everybody who is at that red carpet as maggot coded.
Oh, no, no, no. I do too. But I just, I'm saying that he's not exactly Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez. No one would be expecting him to make a big political statement about the taxing the rich. No, he's very likeable. He's also got that cheap movie to promote.
It's true. In a moment, what the heck was all that Baldoni lively business about if we've both basically ended with nobody winning and no money changing hands?
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