Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I'm Beth Golay and this is Marginalia. Inspired by the Welsh myth of the Blodewed, a woman created using flowers and plants, author Bar Freedman Tell set out to create her own version of the story in her debut novel, Honeysuckle.
Chapter 2: What inspired Bar Fridman-Tell to write 'Honeysuckle'?
The book opens with two siblings, a sister and a brother named Wyn and Rory, who are several years apart. Frustrated by his endless demands to play, Winn crafts a playmate for Rory, a Blodewed, which Rory names Day.
As Rory grows up, Day is recrafted and renewed each season, and the power dynamic between the two shifts and begins to take a more sinister turn because Day, as a Blodewed, must always do what her creator requests. I recently spoke with Bar Friedman Tell about Honeysuckle and the Welsh myth of the Blodewed that served as her inspiration.
Honeysuckle is a very loose retelling of a story from Welsh mythology, and it's about a girl made of flowers who must be rewoven at the end of each season or she'll fall apart. and a lonely boy who will do anything to save her and stop this cycle of bloom and decay, including a lot of things he really shouldn't.
I was unfamiliar with this myth of the Blodewed. Where did you develop an interest in this mythology?
So my first encounter with Welsh mythology, I think like a lot of other people my age, was through Lloyd Alexander and the Chronicles of Verdain. which is very loosely based on Welsh mythology. And it took me years to realize that it's even connected. But I was also always very fascinated by myths and folklore, and pretty much magpied anything I could get my hands on.
And when I was, I think, in high school, I came across the Mabinogion, and it felt a bit like coming home, because I grew up on the names. And I absolutely fell in love with the story of David.
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Chapter 3: How do the characters Wyn and Rory influence the story?
It's so pretty and it's so imaginative and it's so full of everything. But it also never sat well with me that she was framed as the villain. In the story, a girl is made out of flowers to be a bride as a way to overcome a curse that prevents her husband from taking a human wife. And she's later turned into a bird, to an owl, as punishment for choosing a different love and a different life.
And the fact that she was framed as the villain, despite never having any choices or any say or any agency, even over her own body, it's changed first from flowers to woman and then from woman to bird. And it really fascinated me and it really stayed with me and resonated with me.
So your novel, Honeysuckle, is set in a different world where there are some elements of magic. And obviously the Bledeweds are magical. And at the school, you know, one of our primary characters, Rory, attends. It's implied that he's learning magic in some of his courses. But other than that, the magic is really subtle here.
I mean, there aren't any crazy magical things going on and life seems really pretty ordinary. I mean, there are pay phones and answering machines. Talk to me about how you decided upon setting and just how much magic would be a part of this world.
I think the type of fantasy or the type of books I often gravitate toward are the ones that have
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Chapter 4: What role does the Welsh myth of Blodewed play in the novel?
a world with a twist, where you have some element of magic, but it's not seen as magic. It's seen as commonplace, seen as science in this book. And that way, when everything else is the same, when it's the same experiences that we have, the same relationships, it's just the cascading ripples of this one change.
I think the really cool thing is that magic, the fantastical, can be both what it is and function as a metaphor, function as a way to talk about things that we experience every day, but from a different angle or like from tilting them on their side and seeing what happens. And I really love the freedom that it allows us and how it opens up so many doors to that we are tired of opening, usually.
So in Honeysuckle, the Bledewed was created for Rory, a young boy who was eight at the time, by his older sister, Wyn. And he called her Day. And although Day is not human, she still deals with some of the challenges that human women endure, particularly when it comes to safety around men. So talk to me about the importance of giving Day some of these human experiences.
I think it was very important for me to walk the line between human and not human. But for her to be human enough for her to explore power dynamics and relationships that everyone goes through, because while Anisak will take it to the extreme, there are how much the power dynamic is skewed to one side, how one side is actually responsible literally for someone else's life.
I think every relationship has its own type of power imbalance. It's never 50-50.
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Chapter 5: How does Bar Fridman-Tell explore themes of power dynamics in 'Honeysuckle'?
It's not ever perfect, not consistently, not in the long run. And I really wanted to explore that, what happened there and what happens when you take it to the extreme. And because of that, it was very important for Day to be human or as human as possible in the way the interaction affect her, in the feelings it creates, even if her starting point is very different.
You know, I'd like to talk a little bit about the theme of consent, because as it is explained, the Bledewed has to say yes to whatever is asked of her by the person who created her. And when creating Day for Rory... She was basically creating a playmate for him as an eight-year-old because she was tired of him bothering her.
And so she created this playmate who would always say yes to skating or to climbing trees or to running or swimming or what have you. But this relationship went on for a decade. She had to be rebuilt every season. And Rory figured out how to continue to build her so she wouldn't fall apart when the seasons changed.
But as Rory's classmates observe and as Day herself observes, there's that imbalance of power going on in their relationship. And even as Rory is aware of it and thinks about it often, Day's consent is sort of glossed over, isn't it?
Yes. And I think much of what the book deals with is the question of like where the line of consent goes. How much can you stretch it before you're on the wrong side? And how delicate it is sometimes. Because Rory is aware that in theory, she is supposed not to be able to say no. But he still manages to convince himself that it doesn't apply. At first, because his sister is the creator.
So she can say no to his sister, not to him. And later, because she's his best friend. He loves her. He has a whole relationship with her. It's impossible for him to imagine that she's forced into it. And the lengths he goes to convince himself that it's not the case and to convince himself that the relationship is balanced and that she has a choice and to try and give her a choice as well.
He actively tries to give her a choice while also taking it away from her. I think this is really because consent is in the real world. Consent is a lot of time it's just violated. which is awful and horrible and this is the world we live in.
But there's also this line that we walk through in relationships with the people we love where the violation is not clear-cut and where it happens in such slow increments that it's really hard to catch the moment you creep over it. And I really wanted to capture that and to have people think about
what it means for them and how it resonates with their experience and how it makes them rethink their own relationship, hopefully.
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Chapter 6: How does the setting influence the magical elements in 'Honeysuckle'?
And I was so inspired by her story and her inspiration, of course, based on Harriet Tubman and that she channels Harriet throughout her book. And I found it fascinating. Being a bookstore owner isn't the sanest career choice. And we do it for all sorts of different reasons. And listen to the book and really just do what the title says. That's all we need to do for a little while each day.
Another book that I'm excited about who I think is an honorary bookseller because he used to live in my neighborhood. And when I started back in 2014, I was very understaffed and I had this customer come in and he would kind of come in every week and sort of like sniff all the books in a way that just, I could tell he was a literary person.
It was a little shy at first and then we got to talking and he told me he was Andrew Martin. And his first book was Early Work, and it came out from FSG in 2018. And it is wonderful. It's about young people figuring things out, making mistakes. And he's just got this sense of humor that cracks me up. And puts a smile on my face while also seeing the humanity in everything.
His latest, I just finished yesterday. I could not put it down. It's called Downtime. And that's a recent release, I think also from FSG. And it's a book about five friends as they're growing older and they're changing and they're trying to become authentic with their own desires and vulnerabilities. And it's really funny. It's got some kind of sexy parts. I just...
I think he's one of the best writers working these days, a little underrated. So check him out, Andrew Martin, all of his early work and then Cool for America short story collection and Downtime is his latest. Speaking of people that come into my store and tell me that they have books coming out. Years ago, we did a book with Benoit Denison Lewis and it was called Travels with Casey.
It was about his dog and he took a trip around the country, a solo road trip with his golden retriever after a breakup. And it was a beautiful story where he interviews people along the trip and he just gets to know, you know, people and their dog relationships too. And we did this lovely event where Casey was actually at the event, the dog, and it was so special. That was maybe 10 years ago now.
Benoit has a new book coming out now called You've Changed, where he has just interviewed the most interesting people. He's a journalist. He writes for the New York Times Magazine. He's a lovely human being. David Sheff said about it that it's endlessly thought-provoking and inspiring. And it's true. It's about we all change, right? And people...
You can hear it in fiction, but this is a really cool nonfiction, just interviews of people who have really changed their lives in profoundly different ways. And those shifts, I don't know, it felt for me that I think it makes us all unafraid to change our lives a little bit when we know other people have done that.
A book that I got really excited about a couple of years ago, it's called Dirtbag Massachusetts by Isaac Fitzgerald. And he actually grew up the same place where I'm from, which is North Central Massachusetts. And there's a new book that he has coming out soon called American Rambler, Walking the Trail of Johnny Appleseed.
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