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Building a home with future fires in mind

12 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: How do you build fire resiliency into new homes?

1.583 - 33.64 Meghan McCarty Carino

How do you build fire resiliency into new homes? From American Public Media, this is Marketplace Tech. I'm Megan McCarty Carino. Just over a year ago, the most costly wildfires in history hit L.A., destroying more than 10,000 homes in Pacific Palisades and Altadena, including the home of Marketplace's David Brancaccio.

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33.66 - 43.774 Meghan McCarty Carino

He's now in the arduous process of rebuilding, using a fire-resistant material called CLT, cross-laminated timber.

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44.463 - 74.571 David Branccaccio

You can get lumber from sustainably farmed forests, and they press this wood into these laminations about as thick as my arm or as thick as my thigh, depending on what the structural needs are for these big panels. And they're fabricated at a factory off-site. And they ship these panels flat like an Ikea kit to your location. And your house can get enclosed in sometimes just a week.

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74.591 - 103.005 David Branccaccio

Now, you can't live in the house after a week. It's not a total prefab. On the outside, is it wood? No. Over the outside is mineral wool insulation. which is a premium product that does not burn. Over that, we're going to put stucco, which is kind of concrete. So it's going to be really hard for a future fire to get through the walls and destroy absolutely everything. So there's a dormitory.

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102.985 - 130.782 David Branccaccio

at Colby College in the east, actually my hometown in Maine, where a European company called KLH is building that dorm out of these materials. A company called Mercer is doing the Teddy Roosevelt Presidential Library in South Dakota out of the stuff. And Megan actually went up to the factory in Spokane and took the tour about how they make this. And here's Mercer's Nate Foster.

131.065 - 147.387 Nate Foster

We're doing a lot of the front-end work off-site in our manufacturing facilities so that when this product shows up on site, it's picked up with a crane, dropped into the correct location, and we're able to continue moving. We're sometimes seeing, you know, 15%, 20% savings on schedules on some of these projects.

147.367 - 173.801 David Branccaccio

Schedules for building these things. So it's particularly interesting for two reasons. The affordability issue in America, you could get more houses up quickly with the stuff using a potentially sustainable technique. If a single contractor could frame in five houses in the same time with the same labor as one... you could replace a neighborhood much more quickly.

174.482 - 198.591 David Branccaccio

So it's fascinating to entertain the notion that this traditional technique would, using newer technology of pressing these smaller boards together, And with that lamination, you get a very strong chunk of wood that gets put into place quickly. So that's just one technique. But it's not the only technique I'm seeing in the Altadena neighborhood where we lived.

Chapter 2: What materials are being used for fire-resistant homes?

199.433 - 200.555 David Branccaccio

Other people are trying different things.

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201.638 - 202.5 Meghan McCarty Carino

We'll be right back.

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Chapter 3: How does cross-laminated timber enhance fire resistance?

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264.58 - 278.252 Meghan McCarty Carino

You're listening to Marketplace Tech. I'm Megan McCarty Carino. We're back with Marketplace's David Brancaccio. Tell me about some of the alternative materials that your neighbors are using, kind of high-tech stuff to resist fires.

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278.755 - 306.973 David Branccaccio

Well, there's a lovely woman named Heidi Lewis. She worked in Hollywood as a scene painter and has done a lot of other cool creative things. And I went over to her site and it looked like a big pile of very white Lego that had arrived off a truck. Styrofoam looks, you know, maybe it's not actually styrofoam, but it looks like a styrofoam cup type material. And they snap them into position and

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306.953 - 334.851 David Branccaccio

as the outer walls of the house. So she's going to live in a plastic house that's like, no. They pour concrete in between the panels. And so she's building a concrete house. I'll tell you what, fire's not going to get through that concrete. And Heidi, she found a builder who was experienced with this stuff. And she's actually about a third built already. This is what she told me.

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335.135 - 343.185 Heidi Lewis

So when I first talked to him, he was telling me, I'm not building a house, I'm building a bunker. So I decided to name my house Edith.

343.225 - 345.487 David Branccaccio

Edith Bunker.

345.548 - 356.721 Heidi Lewis

Sorry. I have to make a joke out of everything. But I figured, you know, as long as I have a house and it's going to be strong and sturdy, why not give her a name?

357.41 - 388.959 David Branccaccio

You know, she's way ahead of me in the reconstruction process. And, you know, if you want to stand up to fire, that's certainly one way to go. There are costs to that as well. Concrete is carbon intensive. It requires lime to make concrete, which is fired at very high temperatures that often use fossil fuel and so forth. And so that's one of the trade-offs.

388.999 - 405.178 David Branccaccio

In my case, trees are a carbon sink, right? They take in carbon dioxide. And if my house lived another 100 years or 200 years, it would take that, quote, carbon off the market. Speaking of concrete, you want to go the whole hog on innovation, you can 3D print houses.

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