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Marketplace All-in-One

Holiday spending slowdown

10 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: Why were retail sales flat in December despite high expectations?

1.769 - 32.669 Kristen Schwab

Today on the show, we'll talk about crypto, retail, AI scams, and we'll talk about a company placing a bet on the idea that it will outlive us all. From American Public Media, this is Marketplace. In New York, I'm Kristen Schwab in for Kai Risdahl. It's Tuesday, February 10th. Good to be here with you. Okay, humor me here. Grab your crystal ball.

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33.209 - 54.473 Kristen Schwab

Can you tell me where the economy will be in one year? Yes? No? Then how about in 100 years? An impossible task, I know. Because there's no way of understanding what economic policy will look like, how AI will shape our work, or even whether the companies we work for will still be here.

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54.453 - 74.759 Kristen Schwab

Well, Alphabet is promising it will be around in a century, making tech products and services and also making interest payments on corporate debt. The parent company of Google is issuing tens of billions of dollars worth of bonds this week, including some in the UK with a 100-year maturity date.

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Marketplace's Daniel Ackerman looks into why Alphabet is going so long on its debt and who would actually buy these bonds. Alphabet has plans to spend big, says Dan Ives, a tech analyst with Wedbush Securities, on big data centers.

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90.812 - 97.862 Unknown

They're essentially building out new cities. It's like building Vegas from the desert in the 1950s.

98.423 - 102.229 Kristen Schwab

And that is going to take a lot of cash over the course of many years.

102.395 - 105.559 Arun Sundaram

We're going to be building out data centers for a long time to come.

106.099 - 125.443 Kristen Schwab

Giluria is an analyst with D.A. Davidson, and he says Alphabet's sale of century-long bonds is something of a flex on its competitors in the AI race. They want to communicate to everybody else, we're in it for the long haul. This is a big old game of chicken. We are going to drive as fast as we can.

125.483 - 131.49 Igor Payich

I'm going to borrow for 100 years because I'm that confident that I'm going to win. That's what Google is doing.

Chapter 2: What factors contributed to consumers' cautious spending during the holidays?

241.704 - 258.449 Daniela Velasquez de Leon

Businesses is doing well ever since the full exemption on fresh produce that isn't produced domestically. That's given us some semblance of stability, though there's still a lot of uncertainty in the world right now.

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260.612 - 264.077 Kristen Schwab

You just mentioned some worries you still have. Tell me more.

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265.475 - 287.314 Daniela Velasquez de Leon

Well, on the one hand, it feels like tariffs are stable for now. But at the same time, there's still a lot of uncertainty when it comes to the macroeconomic situation. I mean, something like the strength of the dollar really affects all of the products that we're importing from abroad today.

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287.75 - 311.12 Daniela Velasquez de Leon

So even though we don't have the tariffs, our cost of goods has gone up over 10% year over year, just with the strength of the dollar. So that's pretty similar to what we were feeling with the tariffs. But we're not able to increase prices by that much, especially on an item like bananas that's been artificially underpriced for decades.

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311.922 - 330.615 Daniela Velasquez de Leon

And then just the uncertainty around the upcoming renegotiation of the USMCA agreement is also something that has us a little nervous. Again, I really trust and hope that we'll continue to work together, you know, between the Canada, US and Mexico. But there's just a lot of uncertainty right now.

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Mm hmm.

332.789 - 351.069 Kristen Schwab

You know, even if you're in a stable time, a more stable time right now than before, I'm kind of wondering what it's like to look back on the high stress period of maybe this past summer or earlier in the year and what that cost you in sanity, but also what it actually cost your business.

351.33 - 360.72 Kristen Schwab

I mean, I guess on one hand, it's better, you know, that you're dealing with less tariff stress now, but at the same time, was it all for nothing? I guess I'm wondering.

362.033 - 383.864 Daniela Velasquez de Leon

I mean, if we're getting philosophical, it helped me mentally to realize at some point you have to let go of the things you can't control. But it did cost us our business. I mean, I think I shared with you previously that we spent a lot of money with lawyers to try and understand what compliance would actually mean if the tariffs went into place.

Chapter 3: How is AI impacting the rise of online shopping scams?

652.445 - 654.447 Kristen Schwab

Ishan Thakur reports from Boulder.

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654.427 - 668.477 Ishan Thakur

Losing power during the shortest days of the year was trying for Bob Carmichael. He's no stranger to difficult conditions. He's climbed mountains, explored the ends of the earth, and even made a film about extreme skiing.

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668.958 - 678.497 Kristen Schwab

I've spent a lot of time in big climbs and all kinds of stuff, but I know what I'm getting into. I don't just get thrust into it and say, good luck.

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678.517 - 685.47 Ishan Thakur

Carmichael is almost 80 now, with hearing aids that need to be charged. For him, the whole experience was isolating.

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686.412 - 691.521 Unknown

I felt, I felt scared.

694.842 - 714.642 Ishan Thakur

Excel cut the lights because of hurricane-force winds and unseasonably warm, bone-dry conditions. It happened nearly four years after similar weather spread the Marshall Fire. That fire, it's Colorado's costliest. It incinerated more than a thousand homes. Robert Kenney is the president of Accel Colorado.

715.062 - 727.583 Ishan Thakur

The utility started notifying customers days before it cut power, and then sent dozens of emails, texts, and social media updates. Kenney defended the company's decision at a hearing in late January.

727.563 - 734.614 Robert Kenney

These were the exact same kinds of winds that were seen and that existed just prior to the Eaton and Palisades fires in Southern California.

735.195 - 757.638 Ishan Thakur

Utilities across the West shut off power to prevent fires. After all, no one wants another Lahaina or Altadena. But shutoffs can be a blunt tool. They hit the elderly, sick, and poor people hard. Betty Devine and her roommate Beatrice Bell lost power for days. They've lived together for years in low-income housing in Boulder. Here's Devine.

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