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Warsh wants to keep markets guessing. Will it work?

18 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What communication changes is Fed Chair Kevin Warsh implementing?

0.942 - 25.082 Kyle Risdahl

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25.102 - 30.527 Kyle Risdahl

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31.739 - 56.138 Professor Devi Sridhar

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56.158 - 59.603 Professor Devi Sridhar

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61.878 - 96.496 Kyle Risdahl

Coming up on the program today, we'll talk about the geopolitics of this economy. We'll talk about the risks and rewards of GPS. And we'll talk about the RV market as economic indicators. From American Public Media, this is Market Flash. In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Risnell. It is Thursday. Today, this one is the 18th of June. Good as it always is to have you along, everybody.

97.517 - 114.539 Kyle Risdahl

You know, sometimes there's just a lot of economic loose ends out there waiting to be tied up. So that is what we're going to do to get going today. And we're going to do it with Robin Brooks. He's a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Welcome back to the program, Robin. Good to have you on. Hey, Kyle. Thanks for having me. So let's see.

114.559 - 136.755 Kyle Risdahl

There is an agreement to begin negotiations in pursuit of a deal in the Middle East. And thus, I want to start today with you and oil. Brent is at seventy nine dollars a barrel, just a hair under 80 bucks. But the straight is still closed. It is going to take some time for things to get back to normal. Crystal ball this for me. Would you what happens with oil markets? You're an oil guy.

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So let me say two things. I think one thing that's really, really important about this shock that we've kind of learned is, you know, think back a couple of weeks or months. There were a lot of scare stories about oil going to 150 or 200 dollars a barrel. That didn't happen. And I think that's really important. Here, if you think back to before the war, then we were around $60, $70 a barrel.

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At $79, I think there's very little risk premium priced. I think we need to be in a range of $80 to $90 a barrel until ship traffic fully resumes, until oil tankers start moving. So I think markets are getting a little bit ahead of themselves on their optimism. Tell me why risk premium here is important. Why, in effect, if I heard correctly what you just said, oil needs to be a little bit higher.

Chapter 2: How are markets interpreting Warsh's lack of guidance?

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The numbers can look good while the job market feels bad. That's Laura Ulrich's big takeaway. Two things can be true at once. She's director of economic research at Indeed. Job gains have been picking up, and it's a really tough time to be a job seeker. Ulrich calls the job market paralyzed because, yeah, unemployment's low, but so is hiring, which, bummer if you're trying to get hired.

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There were a couple of times this year where the hires rate was as low as it was in April 2020.

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So think about that. Like, who is hiring in April 2020? But the market feels all right if you've got a job right now, because chances are good you're not going to lose it.

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Perhaps the one lesson is if you're in a job and you even like it a little, maybe stay put for now.

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Michael Goldberg teaches in the School of Management at Case Western Reserve University, and he says his job-seeking students are victims of a really uncertain job market. perhaps the most uncertain I've seen in my career. Another reason the market feels worse than the numbers suggest? They don't tell the whole story, says Michelle Evermore with the National Employment Law Project.

520.847 - 529.2 Michelle Evermore

Initial claims doesn't measure how many people are unemployed. It measures how many people are unemployed and are able to get an unemployment benefit.

529.18 - 548.079 Kyle Risdahl

So if you say quit to care for an aging parent or didn't bother to sign up for unemployment benefits because it was too difficult or too low to seem worth it, you're not counted in the report today. But some regions are painting a rosier picture. Take Ohio, where I live. The unemployment rate here is 14 percent lower than the national average.

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Beju Shah leads the Greater Cleveland Partnership, which is the regional chamber of commerce. We talk to employers every single day. And everyone has that same challenge of, I can't find enough people. Because people have been leaving the Midwest for decades, and now there's a bunch of new economic growth here, the job market's just a bit less frozen.

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Shaw says Ohio companies are sending recruiters to other states. That they feel are rich in talent. but have maybe a more challenging cost of living.

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