Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Exposing the Secrets of the Trillion-Dollar Scam Industry
11 Jan 2025
Forensic accounting expert Kelly Richmond Pope shows fraud in action, uncovering what makes perps tick, victims so gullible, and whistleblowers so morally righteous, while also encouraging us to look at our own behaviors and motivations in the hope of protecting ourselves and our companies. Kelly's Book https://www.amazon.com/Fool-Me-Once-Trillion-Dollar-Industry/dp/1647823919 Kelly's Website https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com Follow me on all socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mattcoxtruecrime Do you want to be a guest? Send me an email here: [email protected] Do you want a custom "con man" painting to shown up at your doorstep every month? Subscribe to my Patreon: https: //www.patreon.com/insidetruecrime Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8 Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438 The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402 Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1 Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel! Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here: Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69 Cashapp: $coxcon69 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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It's known as a large municipal fraud in U.S. history. So look at Rita and you're sort of like, wow, you live like a queen for 20 years and served eight. One may argue that crime does pay. So the reason why he was diluting medication and making it spread further was two things. He had a large bill from the IRS that he wanted to pay and record show was around half a million dollars.
And then he wanted to make a million dollar donation to his church. So he wanted to expand his gross margin.
He wanted to make a million dollar donation to the church. This guy made millions. But every two or three years, he would hit everybody across the board for like thirty nine dollars. Just ran it. This guy's a multimillionaire. He's got like 20 gyms. He's, he's got, you know, he lives in a, in a $4 million house. Like he's, he's filthy rich.
And this is just a narcissist in me is that this one student said, this female student goes, do you feel like she was, do you feel like you got away with it for so long because you're so charming? And I mean, I started laughing so hard. I would like to be honest with you. Like how close are you with your wife? And I went, what do you mean?
He said, listen, he goes, because all the loans are in her name. Mr. Black's sister saying, my brother was in a horrible accident. He's currently in a coma.
The doctor said- Yeah, this is too much. I don't believe you did. This is too, you did all this?
And I waited about a month and a half. And then I called the police and said, I got broke into. And then- Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Kelly Pope. And she is the author of a book about con men called Fool Me Once. And we're going to be talking about the book and talking about a few different con men and scams and that sort of thing. So check out the interview.
What's going on? Tell me about yourself.
Well, I am an accounting professor. I'm a filmmaker. And now, well, not now, I've been an author, but I have a new book out, which is why we're talking. And this is my sample copy, but this is it called Fool Me Once. Scam Stories and Secrets from the Trillion Dollar Fraud Industry. So you can see all of my notes that I take every time I read it. So that is my latest project. I'm super excited.
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