Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Irish Criminal Makes Millions, Loses Everything, & Flees The Country
Mon, 30 Dec 2024
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Chapter 1: What was Derek Rowe's early life like in Ireland?
Ich wurde auf einer Farm geboren. Mein Vater war ein sehr arbeitsloser Mann, Matthew. Ich würde sagen, das eine, was mich meine Brüder und Schwestern gelernt haben, war hartes Arbeit. Ein guter Arbeitseinsatz, auf der Farme, vier Jahre alt, früh aufgewachsen. Ich habe ein bisschen Geld aus dem Koffer bekommen und wir wurden gut nachgewiesen.
Aber ich würde sagen, meine Mutter war Hausfrau, also sie war ein bisschen jünger als mein Vater. Sie war zehn Jahre jünger. Sie kam aus einer großen Familie von 14 Kindern. But Irish culture, I had said it to your producer, I said we curse a lot, but we're also known fighting and drinking, fighting Irish. I see people with the tattoos up in Boston and New York. Did you know all that bullshit?
And it is true, but what they don't understand is this. We're very, back in the day before the invasion and all, did you know the English came in and invaded us? We were very mystical people. So we were healers, we were clairvoyants, all of this. And this... was von uns weggerissen wurde.
Und dann ist es so, dass man die Inder in Amerika sieht, viele von ihnen, nicht alle, aber viele von ihnen haben sich auf Drogen geworfen. Und das ist das, was vielen irischen Menschen passiert ist. Also in katholischer Irland ist es so, dass du eine Kirche hast, du hast einen Pub neben der Kirche und dann hast du die fucking Buckeys neben dem.
Und dann wüsstest du, warum wir ein Alkoholproblem hätten. Es war einfach, es wurde in uns geboren. Ich habe einen neunjährigen Sohn. Ich würde sagen, er ist glücklich. Meistens. Er ist ein guter Mensch. Wir wurden dafür unterstützt, aber wir hatten nicht die emotionale Unterstützung, die ein Kind benötigen würde.
Und das hat einen Effekt auf mich, von einer jungen Zeit an, wo ich, weißt du, viele Alkoholabstürze in der Familie sehe, ich sehe einige physische Abstürze in Richtung meiner Mutter. Und das war eine gemeinsame Sache, die passiert war. Aber wenn du in einem solchen Umfeld wächst, du akzeptierst und sagst dir, fuck it, das ist das, was jedes Haus macht. So you think this is normal shit.
Whereas the reality, it isn't when you wake up on Christmas day. Do you remember the Spudio games? It's like table football, that you play... Foosball. Yeah, Foosball, that type of thing. So we woke up, me and my brother had... Ich habe das von Santi bekommen. Es wurde durch die Küchenwindel gedrückt und auf Weihnachtsabend gebrochen. Und die Polizei schlug die Tür auf meinen Vater.
Das ist so eine Scheiße. Aber die irischen Menschen und die katholischen Familien, wir machen all das unter den Koffer, aber das passiert nicht. Meine Schwester wäre ein großer, es wäre eine positive Einfluss in meinem Leben gewesen. Wir wären aufgewacht und das Haus, Glas, alles zerbrochen, diese Art von Dingen. Also für mich... I have lots of good memories, but I also have negative memories.
But the farm itself... We were taught what hard work was. And listen, I have respect for my dad. My mother, God rest her soul, she's a long dad, I have respect for her. But when you go back generations of this sort of, I would say, Catholic tough upbringing, they didn't know how to deal with it.
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Chapter 2: How did Derek Rowe get involved in drug dealing?
But now you're going bouncing from job to job in London? Yeah. And you have your own apartment?
Well, I'm sleeping like you're looking at a house with 16 other people. You're sharing a room with people. But people, anyone I got close to, I told my story. I said, listen, I know who you think I am. This is what I am. And I generally have probably not sympathy, but you know. I got on well with certain people.
I met a couple of Irish people and they used to say to me, because I wouldn't have money for rent, and they go just, listen, fuck the person in this house. The house was a shithole. Like, you're looking, 16 people living in a house, it's dirty, it's not a nice place to be. So I would do that.
I would stay in a place for maybe six weeks, two months, and then I would move to another part, do the same there. So I was... I suppose I would use the word blagged my way around London for a year. Rent free. Rent free. Do you know what blagged?
Blagged? No.
Okay, yeah. I have to remember I'm in America, so conned my way around.
Conned your way. I know what conned is.
So it's like... It's like if you're me, and I'm there, yeah, yeah, you know, lovely house there, show me the room, yeah, cool, I'll have your rent, and I make up a story, I'm starting work next week, and they go, cool, because I was a very personable type of fella when you met me.
So then this would go on and on, they'd go, where's the rent, oh, the job got let down, and I'd roll this out for two months sometimes before I'd... Aber du hast auch gesagt, dass du Drogen verkauft hast. Not in London, but I'd started before. So I'd had this infatuation with these gangsters. And I believe the situation I was in, I didn't really know who I was.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Derek face while selling drugs?
Also, wie viel hast du verloren?
Ich habe alles verloren in den nächsten 18 Monaten.
Okay.
So I had, right.
In Australia? No, no.
So I was only on holiday. So I visited my sister for 10 months and I went to the Grand Prix in Melbourne. Well, you take some holidays, like two weeks, two months. No, I was everywhere in my 20s around the world. Everywhere. So like if you look to me, I had long hair at the time. Yeah. Drove nice vehicles, had the house, had nice birds, women, birds, you don't call them.
So the fucked up thing, right, I came home from there. So I had the house, I had the car. That's worth a couple of hundred grand. I had five keys of coke that were mine. So just say that's worth another 250, 300. And I had 115 cash. That was gone after 18 months. I had fucked myself. So it literally started with a couple of grand. Then it was every day.
Then sometimes I go to the bookies to horses and stuff. Dann war ich auf dem Weg zum Casino. Und die Leute haben mich gefragt. Nun, die Leute glauben mir immer noch. Und sie sagten, Dereck, was ist los? Ich hätte die drei Häuser verkauft, um Weide zu growen. Nichts passiert. Ja, ja, wir werden es aufsetzen. Also gingen sie weiter. Und sie gingen tatsächlich weiter.
Einer von ihnen ging weiter, um einen absoluten Killing aus den Weiden zu machen. Aus diesen Grow-Häusern. Weil, du weißt, du bekommst so viel Pflanze und du hast genug Pflanze. Du wirst gut. So, here's me. Yeah, yeah, I'll get it going. Friends are asking me, there's something wrong with you. You gambling, no, no. So I was looking down, right?
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Chapter 4: What led to the downfall of Derek Rowe's drug business?
Chapter 5: How did Derek's addiction impact his life?
Chapter 6: What was Derek's experience with the law?
Ich habe gesagt, richtig, Leute, ich war in der Fitness, ich habe immer getrennt. Eine Sache, die ich immer gebraucht habe, war das Training und das Essen. Auch wenn ich mir gesagt habe, ich werde immer essen, ich werde immer in den Gym gehen, egal was. Also habe ich gesagt, richtig, ich weiß einiges darüber, warum ich es nicht auf mich selbst nehme, Leute in den Gym zu bringen.
Also tatsächlich, ich hatte immer Leadership-Fähigkeiten, immer Leadership-Fähigkeiten, aber sie beginnen wirklich zu erscheinen hier und Leute beginnen mich zu hören. Und ich fühlte mich gut, ich fühlte mich, weil, weißt du was, ich mache eigentlich etwas Gutes für Männer hier. Ich glaube, das ist eine Art Terrorismus. Ich habe gesagt, wir sind das und wir sind das.
Vielleicht hören die Leute zu viel von dir. Also ging das los, wir haben es übernommen, es war in Ordnung. Aber ich war glücklicher. Ich war definitiv einer der Zeiten in meinem Leben, in dem ich glücklicher war. Also, wenn du alle ehrlich bist, 11 Monate da war ich jetzt 30. Also habe ich gesagt, ich bin offen genug, Jim. People going, opening the gym, laughed at me.
So I said, right, what do I do? Okay, first of all, locate a building. I located a building. Now, the building, you wouldn't have put your dog into it. It was that shit. But I said, I'll use it. Next, how do I get the money for that? So I went to a local charity. I begged them for the money. So I think I asked them every day for three weeks about this money.
Eventually, a woman, an older lady, came up and said, there's the 400 euros. I told the guy with the bill in the story, so he said, we'll do it at half price, which was the 400, and then I got equipment and I started a gym out of that. How did you get the equipment? So then I went into the local government offices and they would give you a grant. So your man said, it's too late for a grant.
So I, this was by phone, so I went up then and I went into his office and I said, listen, I'm Derek Rowan, the guy you were speaking to, and this is my story. And he said, fuck, okay, man, let's do it. So I took initiative, I took action. I only got a thousand euros, so I could only get bits and pieces, but I started classes.
And then in between all of that then I had met a Maltese woman, who I was telling you about my ex-partner, who I have my son with. I had met her before I went in, just for, it was like a couple of day period, so I was back in communication with her, I went to visit her in Malta, and then she moved to the city, which is Waterford City, where this house was, now where I had this
Du kannst es ein Gym nennen, es war ein Schach im Grunde, wo ich ein paar Klassen gemacht habe. Sie hat sich gewechselt. Dann fand ich, ich folgte diesem Mann. Hör auf, ich werde dir zeigen, wie man ein richtiges Fitness-Business bauen kann. Also habe ich auf sein Webinar geschaut, wie ein verrückter Mann. Er sagt, ich habe diesen Deal.
Der Deal ist, es sind 2.000 Pfund für sechs Wochen Coaching mit mir. Und ich hatte etwa 1.500. Und ich sagte, damn you, what do you have? Sie hatte 500. Sie sagte, we've no more money. So we've got, you know, we had an electricity meter, we had 20 quid in it, we had a few days worth of food. I said, can we do it? So I did it. I never looked back and then built a gym, did very well out there.
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Chapter 7: How did Derek Rowe turn his life around?
Instagram, Facebook. It's a seven-figure business in the last 16 months. So I'm very happy with that, but a lot of work. Again, we're talking about... You know, what does it take? But people will go, whoa. It's like in Ireland, people are very critical of people. It's like the person with the big house on top of it. Oh, they got lucky. Whereas I think in America, you're better.
I have American members and Canadians and they're much better to work with for the simple reason, and maybe you should cut that piece out because it will piss people off. So, you know, working well, I find coming to America, this will be better. Weil einer der Jungs sah und sagte, du bist ein Arschloch.
Wenn man in Amerika kommt, findet man Menschen, die ein bisschen mehr willkommen sind für ihren Erfolg. Das will ich sagen. Sie wollen, dass du besser machst. Und das ist nicht unbedingt der Fall, wo ich herkomme. Wir sind sehr willkommen. Leute, die mich willkommen machen. Wir kochen. Aber wenn du besser tust, es ist so, als ob du in einer Gruppe von Leuten bist.
Und dann hast du einfach entschieden, dass du besser machen wolltest. Aber manchmal haben Leute ein Problem damit.
Chapter 8: What lessons can we learn from Derek's story?
Ja, ich würde sagen, hast du jemals gehört, dass dein Vater der einzige lebende Mann ist, der dich immer besser tun möchte als er? Absolut. Es ist lustig, ich habe einen Freund, ich will nicht sagen, wer er ist, weil er super privat ist, aber ich meine, er hat, hör mal.
He's got a Ferrari, he's got like, he's got a ton of just cars, huge house, gorgeous wife, adorable kids, the two perfect dogs, like it just makes a ton of money. And I've never seen him angry, never seen this guy angry. He called me one day and he was somewhere talking to somebody and Sie sagten, oh, hast du ein neues Auto? Ja, ich habe dieses Auto. Und der Typ sagte, oh, das muss gut sein.
Und er, hör mal, er hat mich angerufen. Er war so, dieser Arschloch. Ich war so, oh, ja. Und ich lachte darüber. Wir waren an einem Ort, wo meine Frau, ihre Freunde waren. Er sagte, aber es hat alles in mir genommen, nicht zu sagen,
It is nice.
Do you have any idea what I had to do to get here? Do you have any idea how much I risked? How much I had to starve? How many times I came close to having nothing? How I saw the opportunities that everybody else around me didn't see or they saw but they didn't act? Or I spent all my money to get this thing developed and then I had to sell it? All the things like you...
went to high school, went to school, ended up going to work for like the police department and God bless you, but that's a regular job or whatever, you know, a government job. You got a government job. Because it was safe and you knew for sure you were going to go on and be okay. You're going to have a pension, you're going to have these things, that sort of thing.
For the last 15 years that it took him to build this business, he's like, that whole 15 years, he said, it was gut-wrenching, 80 hours a week. I don't know if I'm going to be able to pay my rent next month. Agony until it hit. Und er meinte, dass es nicht geschehen hätte. Es war absoluter Verschuldung und Grit, der ihn da hinbekommen hat. Und nichts macht diesen Kerl, übrigens, verrückt.
Als er mir das gesagt hat, war ich auf dem Telefon so, der Arschlöcher ist verrückt. Ich kann ihn sehen, wie er um seine Wohnung geht. Und ich dachte, okay, er weiß nicht, er ist ein unglücklicher Mensch. Danke Gott, er ist unglücklicher. Ja. Aber ja, es gibt Leute, die das manchmal tun. You know, because people that tend to say that, oh, it must be nice.
Like, oh yeah, it felt, I played the lottery. Yeah, you're right. I went, I was, I had my job. I went in, scratched it off and now I'm a multimillionaire. That's not how this happened.
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