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Emergency Podcast: Why Britain's Political Turmoil Will End In Crisis
13 May 2026
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Chapter 1: What political turmoil is Britain currently facing?
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Chapter 2: Why is Keir Starmer's leadership being questioned?
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All right. Now, come on, John. There's a lot going on. And we are speaking on the 13th of May, mid-afternoon. And normally I don't bother telling people exactly when we're speaking, but I'm telling them today because there is a lot going on. We're just sitting here, aren't we? We're waiting for a resignation from Keir Starmer or a mention of a resignation or a possibility of resignation.
And at the moment, we are hearing that possibly he might announce a possible resignation tomorrow or something like that.
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Chapter 3: What potential crises could lead to political change in Britain?
Or maybe next week or maybe in a month or maybe in two months.
What I've heard is that Wes Streeton is considering resigning tomorrow and then launching a leadership battle. Just to be very clear, it may be completely wrong here. I'm not a political expert, but I don't think Keir Starmer's ever going to resign as involuntarily go. I think they will be dragging him out in number 10.
As I read somewhere this morning, he's giving all the kids a great lessons in resilience and grit and we're finally finding out what he's good at.
Yeah, and it was funny because... Hanging on in the face of adversity. Go Stormer. They all sort of tried to make this sort of like big thing of him being ruthless and then they're surprised when he is actually literally ruthless in terms of protecting his own position. But yes.
Anyway, listen, so he's not going to go by himself. Probably not. They need to push him. And even if he did, political uncertainty isn't going anywhere because who knows who comes next. And if it ends up with the party being shoved further left, even further left, then the bond market isn't going to like that. Either.
So it's hard to see how his resignation or his forced resignation anyway would improve matters.
I mean, not from the bond market's point of view. It depends. I mean, I think that people object to this because, you know, they think, oh, gosh, it's more infighting. But at the end of the day, the country has actually given its verdict quite strongly in the local election. And if I'm honest, I don't really have a big issue with parties changing leaders.
in the middle of the game if it is clear that the population is not happy with the way things are going. I think that's kind of clear. Yeah, and I don't think we need to necessarily have a general election to give them a mandate. But yeah, so we've got streeting. The candidates so far that we're aware of are streeting.
Possibly Angela Rayner, although she seems to be falling in behind Andy Burnham. So basically that's it. You get Andy Burnham, who isn't an MP, but they're all trying to find some convoluted way to let him stand.
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Chapter 4: How does the divided Labour Party impact leadership challenges?
And Streeting is regarded as being on the right of the Labour Party. To most listeners who may have a more kind of neutral political perspective, that doesn't mean he's right wing. It just means that he's less addicted to spending than the people on the left.
I mean, he's definitely a little bit more pro-market. You know, he's been more pro-market on public services. You know, he's been talking about using private sector in the NHS. He's a little bit less pro-relentless expansion of welfare than some other people. A little bit more... More hardline on crime, maybe. He's kind of blurred out. A tiny bit more pro-business.
You know, you could call him slightly right of the rest of the Labour Party.
Yeah, he still believes in a decent sized state, but he's not going to sit there and go, yeah, the bond market, yeah, whatever, that can go away. You know, he's somebody who actually understands roughly how things work. Andy Burnham clearly keeps sort of trying to allude to a way to get around the bond market.
He's clearly aware that it matters, but it's not clear, I would say, from what he says or from what his supporters say, particularly, that they really get what it's for or, you know, why it's there or why it's a constraint. And I think that's something that can make the, obviously will make the gilts market cannot worry. Yeah.
And we have to be very clear on what's going on here already. And the UK gilt market is, there's lots of talk about, oh, maybe our debt to GDP ratios aren't on that bad relative to other people's. And maybe there's stability ahead, et cetera, et cetera. But you can't get away from the fact that net public debt to GDP is pushing 100% in the UK.
You can't get away from the fact that Rachel Reeves has pushed up spending massively since she got in, both on current spending and what we've might call or not call their investment spending.
Yeah, and it's just the tax take that's also shot up that is keeping that in check. It's not because they've been careful or anything like that.
So, you know, there is a reason why UK debt is priced at a much higher level or at a higher yield than other debt inside the G7 or what, 60 plus basis points above everybody else. And the reason for that is that we have horrible debt levels and absolutely no expectation in the minds of most people that anything is going to change. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of a leadership change for the UK economy?
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Chapter 6: How can historical crises inform current political strategies?
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And also we've consistently too high inflation, which is basically because, as Simon French of Parneur Libre keeps pointing out, we basically ration every part of the economy that we need to grow without inflation.
And this debt level is hideous for public spending. So at the beginning of the pandemic, we were spending well under 5% of government spending was on government. debt interest and last year it was 8% and now it's going to be significantly higher than that. This keeps going up and up and up.
When you're suddenly spending 10% of government spending is on interest payments alone, you know you're in trouble.
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Chapter 7: What role does public sentiment play in political leadership?
With that, it was the IMF that created the external shock that gave Jim Callaghan the permission to stand up in front of his party and say, look, need to get a grip. We can't spend money the way we've been spending it. And obviously still get kicked out of the next election. And perhaps we need something similar, some kind of bond market, I guess, guilt market strike or an FX.
I don't like using the word crisis, but the pound falling a lot. to make people wake up and realise, actually, no, we need a change of direction. And that's regardless of who they put in at the top.
It is. You hear this more and more, John, people saying, well, the UK needs an existential crisis to help it pull itself together. It's not going to just happen. Something horrible has to happen before this ridiculous gobbling stops and things change.
Which is... Unfortunate, but yeah, I mean, that's it. Crises create the opportunity to change things. And I guess they always do. It's very rare to see proper change happen in the absence of a crisis. Certainly, you know, in our history and also the history of Europe more widely, maybe that's the buy signal. You know, whenever everything goes horribly, pear-shaped, I don't know.
Wait for the crisis.
Wait for the crisis.
The crisis will be the catalyst.
Yeah.
Okay, and it's not that far away, one would guess, at this rate.
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Chapter 8: What solutions do experts suggest for Britain's political issues?
That can't go on and And definitely you can't go on with this anti-growth stuff and definitely at some point something has to change and at some point the UK has to be let loose to grow again and all the wonderful things that we often talk about about the UK. This great base that we have, our amazing technology sector, our astonishing ability to innovate, our great education sector.
The fact is we've talked about a couple of times recently the very high levels of savings that the UK population has, etc. We are ready to go if only we could have a politician who could put in place the policies to allow the UK to succeed. Let's not talk ourselves around in circles and get upset. We're just going to have to leave it there before we upset ourselves.
Right now, the best we can hope for is the kind of crisis that lets us restart everything.
Yeah. Control-Alt-Delete.
Yeah. And right now, the next few weeks, we don't see any particularly good outcomes and nor do we see any particularly good candidates.
No.
But we have all learned about how amazingly resilient Keir Starmer is and that's something. That is something. Thanks for listening to this week's Merrin Talks Money Debrief. If you like our show, rate, review and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Also be sure to follow me and John on X or Twitter at MerrinSW and John underscore Stepak.
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