Chapter 1: What is the importance of managing energy over time?
Hey, when we talk about energy, a lot of us talk about positive energy, even myself. Well, in this episode, Dr. Haley Pearl has corrected me. It should be productive energy that we talk about, that we think about, because sometimes that negative energy is still productive. And so you're gonna listen to us talk about productive energy.
We're gonna talk a lot about flow state and how to help people keep you in that zone. If you're like me, you get interrupted quite a bit when you're in that flow state, not on purpose, but then how do you get back and maintain it? We're gonna talk through that. We're gonna talk through a lot about optimal energy. Like we talk a lot about energy in this episode today.
Chapter 2: How can uncomfortable emotions lead to productivity?
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Chapter 3: What is optimal energy flow and how can it be achieved?
We both got it right today in our red.
Right, right. It is red. It is red. It is good energy today. Good energy today. And speaking of energy, Haley, you know, one of your speaking topics, things you do masterclasses around is what you call optimal energy flow. And I would love, because I have to go through this weekly, sometimes daily.
I'd love for you to just talk to the viewers and listeners about optimal energy today for everybody listening, for everybody watching. This is a masterclass. This is just going to be Dr. Haley giving us the goods on optimal energy. How about that?
Let's do it. Let's do it. And let's start with why energy? This is something my mentors taught me. You know, we're always looking for more time in the day. but it's 24. And unless, you know, time zones and daylight savings, but it's 24.
Chapter 4: How does preparation impact performance under pressure?
And we would even question, I would even question, do we really want more time in the day? So think of a moment in your life where you had a lot of time to do something, but not a lot of energy. What was the outcome? What was the process? How did it feel? compared to a moment in your life where you didn't have a lot of time, but you had a lot of energy. What was the outcome? What was the process?
What was the experience? How did that feel? And I've never, ever met someone that said, well, the better outcome was with more time, less energy. It's all about having more energy. So the only way to really manage our time is to better manage our energy. And so
I came up with the Optum Energy Flow because in my area of expertise, which is the head, the neck up, every thought that we have has an impact on our emotions. Now, our emotions subsequently then create new thoughts. But every thought that we have will create an emotion. And then that emotion impacts our biology, our physiology, our heart rate, our muscle tension, our skin conductance.
And then that influences our behavior and performance. So our thoughts impact our emotions, which influence our body, which then creates performance.
Chapter 5: What role does pressure play in enhancing performance?
And if we can get it right, if we can optimize that flow... then we have the optimum energy flow and it's circular because we all know when we perform well, well, that creates new optimal thoughts. And I don't like the word positive thinking. I like the word productive thinking. And so, yeah, I knew you'd like that one.
And so, you know, if we get into this optimum energy flow, then we can be productive. And I think that is the ultimate goal.
See,
That's why you're the guru. That's why you're my coach, right? Because I talk all the time about positive energy. Literally just 10 minutes ago on a call with one of my teammates and was like, I need to change the energy a little bit. but I like productive energy. You know, you're an athlete. I played sports. We call it getting into the zone or getting into that flow state, right?
And this is me being honest and transparent. I don't know if people who didn't play sports, I don't care what level, understand that flow state. And so it is so hard for me
when I know that I'm in that zone, when I'm in that flow state of whatever I'm doing, and then someone wants to interrupt me, that's a bad word for me to say, interrupt, but they need me for something, and it's like, man, I know how hard it is to get back to where I just was.
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Chapter 6: How can we effectively communicate our focus to others?
And so this is my question, Dr. Haley. How important is optimal energy flow for that flow state or for that zone? And then... How do we let others know we're there without sounding like jerks?
Well, you know, that's a... Yeah, it's a tough one, but it's also an easy one at the same time because the more you practice, the more you practice, you start teaching others what those signs are. So now if it's someone new, new to your business, a new employee, someone new, they're going to have to obviously learn it for the first time.
But if you get into the habit, if you tell people, if you see me doing this, like if it looks a certain way, it feels a certain way, you can let people know. And just before this discussion that you and I are having, I was in my kitchen and I was prepping on my computer and I was answering a couple of things and I was essentially like focused and in the zone.
And my husband came over to me to give me a little tip about the dishwasher. I kid you not. I just, I didn't stack something properly. So he was just giving me a little bit of feedback, which I love and I'm happy to receive. But I just looked at him and I said, I'm just about, I'm just wrapping this up and then I'm getting on a podcast.
Can I get, you know, can we touch base, you know, in 45 minutes?
Yeah.
And because I said it directly, specifically, and politely, he said, yep, no problem, went off on his way. And sometimes, same thing, he's a day trader. Sometimes I walk in there with something to say and he's in the middle of 100 trades. And then now I've gotten to the habit of saying, hey, can I ask you a question?
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Chapter 7: What strategies can leaders implement to manage energy?
Is this a good time? So we've learned how, you know, we've learned how to approach each other. I've certainly learned how to read the signs. He's, you know, doing that as well. And then you get into this behavior. But I think the first thing is not to be afraid to say, hey, happy to talk. You know, I'm in the middle of something and I'm right in the zone. You could even say it.
I'll get back to you in 20, 30, tomorrow, whenever it is. But you have to be assertive in that.
No, I agree. And, you know, I'm a huge emotional intelligence advocate. I teach it across the good. I used to say the country, but now across the globe. And one of the things when I'm in my flow state that I have to work on is the self-regulation, because while it's probably my strongest suit of emotional intelligence of the five pillars, it's also the one I have to think on the most. Right.
So it's like, OK, I'm in this zone. And to your point, Responding politely, but a little bit direct, but then giving the cues and signs. So I never thought about having that conversation of when you see me do this or, you know, when you hear this, don't like I need my space or I need my time.
Chapter 8: What upcoming projects and initiatives does Dr. Haley have?
So I'm going to take that in and I'm going to figure out what. Those cues. I'm going to ask my wife because my wife sees me in the zone probably more than anyone else because she's with me and like my teams are remote. Right. Like we work in various places across the United States. So they don't see me, but my wife sees me. So I'm going to ask her, what are the cues?
I don't know if I'm going to like what she says.
Right.
Well, be open-minded to hear it. But then here's the thing. When you do say no to someone, what you're saying is not right now, right? Let me get back to you. I'm in the zone. So then you have to actually follow up with that. You have to then come back and say, okay, now I'm ready. Are you ready? So you can't just, because then they'll just learn, well, I'll never hear from you.
You'll never remember. So, you know, it's a two-way street.
Yeah. No, I love it. I love it. All right. So productive energy. Love that term. Totally borrowing it from you and going to give you a ton of credit. Why is productive energy optimal? Right. I know it sounds like easy to say, well, duh. Right. But there are people that are watching or listening to the understand. Yeah, I need productive energy.
But I don't know if they understand the why behind the why of the productive.
Yeah. Great question. So when we're looking for productivity, sometimes negative thinking can be productive. Sometimes unpleasant emotions, sad, deflated, defeated, angry, frustrated can be productive. And so I don't want to just pigeonhole us into just thinking that positive thinking is the only way to go. And a lot of people in the performance zone will completely relate to that.
Now I'm saying it's not that positive thinking isn't also productive, but we have to understand that there is a place for... just in simplest terms, negative thinking and negative emotions, those can be productive too. In addition to that, I don't think that it's always possible to be positive because I think sometimes things just simply suck. And
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