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#895 - Piers Morgan - Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West

Mon, 27 Jan 2025

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Piers Morgan is a journalist, host, and author. With all eyes on America, many promises have been made for change. But how confident can we be that this new America will deliver on those promises? And what are the consequences if meaningful change fails to materialise? Expect to learn Piers’ thoughts on Biden pardoning his son, why Elon says cancel culture is cancelled, if wokeism is dead or not, why trigger warnings make life much worse, if the distinction between left and right is breaking down, Piers’ thoughts on sitting down and interviewing Donald Trump, what happens if Trump is unsuccessful in keeping his promises, Piers’ thoughts on The View and the future of mainstream media and much more... Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get a 20% discount on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with any purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What are Piers Morgan's thoughts on Trump pardoning Hunter Biden?

0.269 - 6.194 Chris Williamson

You wanted Trump to pardon Hunter Biden, but his dad has beaten him to the punch.

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6.774 - 27.348 Piers Morgan

Yeah, I mean, I think it would have been a very smart move by Trump to send a unifying message to a very fractured and divided America if he was to do it. But for Joe Biden to do it after assuring the world, including the American electorate, repeatedly... in the last few months up to the election, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to pardon him.

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27.628 - 45.634 Piers Morgan

To get the White House press secretary to repeatedly say it from the lectern in the White House, I think that's pretty disgraceful. So there's two ways of looking at this. I think if Trump had done it, smart move in unifying the country. For Biden to do it, actually a pretty shameless act of rank hypocrisy.

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46.299 - 51.643 Chris Williamson

Yeah, not a very nice nail in the coffin of what will be probably not a particularly well-remembered presidency.

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52.003 - 71.536 Piers Morgan

I think he'll go down as one of the worst presidents. He stayed on way too long and clearly cognitively he was in decline. I think the botched coronation of his vice president was another fiasco which came back to haunt them. I think the problem with Joe Biden is that he – the whole issue of Hunter Biden and the way he's now pardoned him –

72.719 - 92.703 Piers Morgan

He's always positioned himself as the whiter than white candidate against Trump. That Trump's the liar. Trump's shameless. Trump's corrupt. Trump is hypocritical. All these things. That was the stick he repeatedly used to beat Trump. And now in one fell swoop, one action. Because it's not just he's pardoned him for the things of which he's been convicted.

Chapter 2: Why does Piers Morgan believe Biden's pardon is hypocritical?

93.183 - 109.551 Piers Morgan

He's pardoned him for anything else he may have done since 2014 in that period. It's a decade of crime. It's like, what else has gone on here? A lot of rumors about much bigger stuff that may have happened. And you look at it and you think, wow, that's the kind of thing that, honestly, they talk about a banana republic relating to Trump.

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110.111 - 113.433 Piers Morgan

This is about as close to a banana republic act as you could imagine.

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114.514 - 121.117 Chris Williamson

Yeah, I want to talk about this on your show later on, but there's this rise of the broligarchy and bro politics at the moment.

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121.137 - 122.038 Piers Morgan

Which is fascinating.

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122.058 - 140.929 Chris Williamson

Yeah. I think it's really interesting, but this prioritization of doing good over looking good, sort of efficiency over optics. And this is one of those examples, I think, where both have gone awry, both the thing that you did and the way that it was done and the way that it was led up to.

141.589 - 159.859 Chris Williamson

But in stark contrast to Vivek Ramaswamy doing debate prep with his top off hitting forehands on a tennis court or... Elon Musk, you know, sending rockets into space, sort of a world of people doing things. Even if you don't agree with the things, you can't deny that they're doing stuff. And yeah, I wonder what the medium term future looks like now for America.

160.299 - 180.556 Piers Morgan

Well, I think one of the most important things of the broligarchy in terms of its impact is... is that so many young men gravitated to it because they've been feeling lost. You've talked about this a lot. I've talked to you about this a lot. I've got three sons from 23 to 31. I've seen it firsthand. They've been struggling, not just my sons, but their friendship group.

181.016 - 207.284 Piers Morgan

have been struggling to understand what it means to be a man in this weird age that we're now in. Social media-driven age, virtue-signaling-driven age, a weird time when losing is almost more celebrated than winning, where the old alpha male chess beating is now seen as something to be ashamed of, where weakness is almost... now seen as a greater characteristic than strength.

208.005 - 226.418 Piers Morgan

And I have been on this for years, thinking this is a ruinous way for society to go. And suddenly, along in America, you have this group of very alpha male guys, all chess beaters from RFK Jr. to Elon to Trump to Vivek to Joe Rogan, all of them. And

Chapter 6: What challenges do young men face in today's society?

2541.167 - 2563.132 Piers Morgan

I'm done for, particularly if you've got someone circling like Nigel Farage, who is the UK version of Trump and is a good friend of Trump's. And Farage's views were considered extreme. They're now considered increasingly mainstream because he's been proven on immigration to be right. Not about everything. Some of the language he's used has been, in my view, wrongly inflammatory.

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2563.532 - 2569.493 Piers Morgan

But his basic principle about if you don't have a border, as Ronald Reagan said, if you don't have a proper border, you don't have a country.

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2570.133 - 2595.192 Chris Williamson

uh that's coming back to be clearly the case so we need to be able to have an honest debate about this without people being called racist if they raise concerns about what is an obvious problem well every country wants to have some borders like what are you well you're not a country if you don't precisely correct elon musk uh rumors a threat of 100 million dollars to be tossed at nigel farage you and him had a bit of a run-in earlier on this year uh

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2595.852 - 2599.473 Chris Williamson

What do you make of that? Would you be happy to see Farage get 100 mil from Elon?

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2599.813 - 2616.579 Piers Morgan

I don't think he can do that legally in our country. Someone was saying there's a legal impediment to him actually doing that as a foreign citizen. He's rich, he can get around it. Yeah, look, he obviously had a big effect on Trump winning. I don't think there's a question of that. No, I think Elon's allowed to do what he likes. He's a free citizen. But would it help the UK politics to have that

2617.523 - 2642.166 Piers Morgan

position well he would balance it out because at the moment labor certainly have a lot more money coming in than the tories in the last election so i look they all take money from people right some take money from very dodgy people indeed uh all of us pretend we hate it but it carries on on both sides if they all want to give up all outside donations fine if they can't really afford to do that if the conservatives are as dead in the water as people think in the uk is reform where

2642.946 - 2662.525 Piers Morgan

Formed in a very, very good position. I mean, Kemi Badenoch's got to do something pretty radical and pretty quickly with the Conservative Party. Or my prediction would be that Farage may well end up being the next Prime Minister, as Elon Musk has said. I don't think that's a mad idea at all. But he might be by then running a Conservative Party which has had reform flip into it.

2662.665 - 2680.363 Piers Morgan

That's where my smart money would be, is that they'll do a deal – they'll merge the parties and probably Farage ends up contesting the next election. And if Keir Starmer has not delivered by them on all his promises or any of them, then he could be political toast.

2681.138 - 2704.195 Chris Williamson

I've had Dominic Cummings on the show, and he did a podcast recently where he talked about some theatrics, I think you could say, in government, that there was sort of a fake meritocracy, fake responsibility, fake government. He also said that cabinet meetings are fully scripted. Based on what he says, based on what Rory Stewart says, I don't know.

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