Sextortion: The Darkest Deepfake Scams, How to Protect Yourself and Laurie Segall's Hunt for “Mr. Deepfakes”

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Nicole Lappin 0:00
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Nicole Lappin 0:51
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Nicole Lappin 2:00
We also talk about her totally insane investigation into Mr. Deepfakes, a man that she calls one of the most dangerous people online, and what happened when she actually tracked him down and confronted him. And finally, we talk to the Honestly, my takeaway, it's definitely still the Wild West. Ah, Laurie Siegel! I'm so happy to be here with you. I'm so happy to say welcome to Money Rehab. Thank you. We've known each other for 100,000 years. Correct. We worked together at CNN. 50,000 years ago. Correct. But when I saw online that you were sextorted, first of all, I wanted to kill that person.
Laurie Segall 2:44
Yeah.
Nicole Lappin 2:45
And then I was like, what is sextortion? And can I be sextorted?
Laurie Segall 2:49
Yeah, the answer is, unfortunately, like any of us can, which is terrifying. That's like the reality of the world we're entering.
Nicole Lappin 2:55
So what is sextortion?
Laurie Segall 2:57
This would be like if you're a child and someone reaches out on Instagram and pretends to be your friend. And let's say you have a teenage boy. By the way, all this is going to seem really dark, so I just, sorry. Let's say you're a teenage boy. Pretty girl reaches out, starts trying to get them to send some kind of provocative image. And the next thing you know, they say, if you don't pay me X amount of money, I'm going to send this to every single person you know. But your child never even took the image. Right. They were never even tricked into it. It's a deep fake of them. And it doesn't matter that it's not real because it looks real. And these types of like sextortion campaigns are so horrific and children are ending their lives. And this isn't just children. I say this is happening to adults. This has been an ongoing thing for a while. So what's happening with the rise of artificial intelligence and deep fakes is basically the democratization of these types of scams. And none of us are safe.
Laurie Segall 3:48
So someone could say, I have a nude image of you, and I'm going to pass it around to everyone. And I always look at this from a victim standpoint. You can't just say, oh, it's just not me, because you'll see that image. It looks like you. And it looks like you. To an untrained eye, it's you. It could tarnish your reputation. People might not know it's real.

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