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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
I remember when I was in my 20s and I overdrafted for the first time with an old bank. I didn't even know that I had overdraft protection turned on and that protection would mean a $35 fee on my $5 latte.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Hey, guess what? I want to teach you how to grow your money 20,000% in just one day. And I promise it is so, so easy. It is just this one little money move called... insider trading. So if you missed this story, let me first say I'm totally kidding.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Do not try DIY insider trading. It is super duper illegal. But I'll fill you in on what I'm talking about. There was a viral post on X that showed a screenshot of someone, and we do not know who, buying 100 grand worth of zero day options for the S&P 500 index SPY. This means that that person basically made a bet that the stock market would go up that day.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
And if they were wrong, they would lose all of that money they'd put in. But what'd you know? They happened to place this order right before President Trump rolled back some of the Liberation Day tariffs. And this person made an estimated 20,900% on their investment or 21 million bucks. Now, the market did not move because of some factor that you or I could have seen coming on a technical chart.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
If you know Arizona, you know they're like wild pig creatures. But honestly, I love them too. Being away for work, for fun, or both is a perfect opportunity to host your space on Airbnb. And if you think that hosting is overwhelming, I have a solve for you. With Airbnb's co-host network, it's easier than ever before to host. It's also a great way to earn some extra cash, which I know we all love.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
The market moved because of an unexpected announcement the president made. So this person probably is not a fortune teller or even a really skilled investor. They probably had some insider information. Insider trading is a huge issue in Washington. I got intel on this from Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who came on the show before I went on maternity leave. She told me this.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Well, you know, I've often said that most investors don't beat the market. Well, members of Congress aren't just better investors than most financial advisors. They have access to more information than we do and more influence over stocks than we do for that matter. And they translate that into outperforming the S&P 500 by 17 percent. It is definitely infuriating. But is it illegal?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Since 2012, members of Congress and their spouses have been required to disclose trades thanks to the STOCK Act, which stands for Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge. Classic legislative example of creating a backronym. You know, an acronym that you just sort of back into based on what you want the abbreviation to be.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
This law made it explicitly illegal for members of Congress to use non-public information they learned through their jobs to make personal financial gains, i.e. insider trading. Under the Stock Act, lawmakers must file a disclosure within 45 days of making a trade over $1,000, and that includes trades made by their spouses and their dependent children.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
These disclosures are public and can be tracked pretty easily—I'll get to that in a bit— but here's the potential problem while the law requires disclosure it does not ban members of congress from owning or trading stocks i say potential problem because there are people out there who believe no one in public office should be able to own stocks while others believe disclosure should be good enough
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
But I think everyone can agree the penalty for not disclosing should be pretty severe. But it's not. It is basically a $200 fine. Pocket change for someone who just made a six-figure trade. Senator Gillibrand told me that disclosure isn't actually happening like it should.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
So members of Congress are not great at following the rules. Interestingly, neither are judges. Federal judges are also required to file annual financial disclosures and are barred from ruling on cases where they have a financial interest.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
But a bombshell Wall Street Journal investigation in 2021 found that 131 federal judges violated this rule by hearing cases involving companies in which they or their families own stock. So that's a little under 10 percent of all federal judges. That triggered a pretty significant response.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
In 2022, Congress passed the Courtroom Ethics and Transparency Act, which requires judges to file trade disclosures within 45 days after just like Congress. And then, surprisingly, it gets actually a little more lax for the most important judges in the country, the Supreme Court justices. Until recently, SCOTUS didn't have to follow the same code of conduct as other federal judges.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
They're now technically bound by a code of ethics adopted in late 2023, but it's toothless. There's no enforcement mechanism, and it's mostly voluntary. And in terms of financial disclosures, they do have to file annual reports, but there's no real-time trade disclosure requirement like there is for Congress or lower court judges.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
So if Justice so-and-so is holding stock in, say, Chevron, and the court is hearing a major environmental case, well, there's no law stopping them from weighing in unless they choose to recuse themselves. And as we've seen, recusal is rare. As I'm talking about this, President Trump's meme coin might come to mind, right? So here are the roles for him.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
The president and also the vice president and high-level executive branch officials are subject to broader ethics laws than members of Congress. High-level executive branch officials have to file detailed annual financial disclosures and are generally prohibited from participating in decisions where they have a personal financial interest.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
But there is no law that explicitly bans the president or vice president from owning individual stocks. You might remember that during his first term, President Trump refused to divest from many of his business interests, raising major questions about his conflicts of interest, especially when government policy could impact his bottom line.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
He claimed to have handed over operations to his sons, but that's not the same as full divestment. And now there's Trump. Not Trump himself, but the ticker T-R-U-M-P. President Trump's meme coin. The president launched the coin in January of this year, and since then, it's estimated that the coin has generated more than $324 million in trading fees for the Trump organization.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
This week, the webpage for the coin announced that the top 200-ish holders of Trump coin will get to have dinner in Washington with the president.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
that announcement sent the value of the coin up 50 percent and now its total market value is 2.7 billion the coins website discloses that the trump organization and affiliates own 80 percent of the coin supply so at the total market value of 2.7 billion the trump organization and allies have gained over 2.1 billion dollars from the meme coin
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Whether this dinner invite will result in some sort of ethics probe remains to be seen. And while Trump is certainly pushing levers to increase the value of the coin, it is not insider trading. But there are more straightforward stories of insider trading. You've probably seen the famous examples in the news lately.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
In the days before Trump rolled back the Liberation Day tariffs, Marjorie Taylor Greene bought between $10,000 and $150,000 worth of stock in companies like Adobe, Apple, and Nvidia, between $11,000 and $165,000 between $11,000 and $165,000 of stock in Amazon, FedEx, JPMorgan Chase, Lululemon, Nike, Qualcomm, and Tesla, and also sold between $50,000 and $100,000 worth of U.S. Treasury bills.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Last year, Nancy Pelosi's husband sold $150K worth of stock in Visa right before the Justice Department announced an antitrust lawsuit against the company, which saved the Pelosi's a whole lot of losses. In both cases, the politicians have denied any wrongdoing. Marjorie Taylor Greene said that these investments were initiated by her financial advisor.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
And to be fair, a lot of financial advisors were telling people to buy the dip. And also, hi, I told you to buy the dip too. In the case of Nancy Pelosi's husband, she denies that she shared any sensitive financial information with her husband.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
But no matter the excuses on either side of the aisle, it is clear just through the performance of the portfolios of Congress members alone that insider trading is happening. And I hate it. The stock market is supposed to reward research, patience, and strategy. But when people who write the laws can also profit off them before we even know what's coming, that's not a free market.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
That is a rigged game. And the truth is, you don't need to break the law to beat the market. But when lawmakers are allowed to do both, the system needs a serious reboot. Again, I'm obviously not recommending that you try to DIY insider trading. That is illegal. But you can take cues from money moves in Washington.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
To get insight into what members of Congress are buying and selling, you can use platforms like Capital Trades, which aggregates stock disclosures from lawmakers in near real time. And to get even more tactical, you could filter for trades made within 48 hours of closed committee meetings or classified briefings. That's a major tell.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
You could also track unusually large options activities, especially zero-day trades on platforms like Unusual Whales or Cheddar Flow. That's how the SPY trade that I mentioned at the top of the show got flagged.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
You can look for these big plays and cross-reference the timing against the political calendar to try and infer whether these moves that you're seeing are being made by players in Washington. And if you really want to go next level, you can create a Google News alert for SEC filings. Look specifically for Form 4 insider filings or 13D disclosures.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Both will often drop subtle hints of market-moving intel before the news breaks. But if you are not trying to Nancy Drew it, here's today's tip you can take straight to the bank. There are ETFs that mimic the stock trades of politicians in Congress.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
When you open a time checking account, you're one step closer to a better financial future. With no maintenance fees, fee-free overdraft up to 200 bucks, or getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit, making progress has never been easier.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Like, for example, the ETF that follows Democratic stock trades with the ticker symbol N-A-N-C or the ETF that follows Republican stock trades K-R-U-Z. Nancy and Cruz. Get it? As in Nancy Pelosi and Ted Cruz.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
If you like them, you could add these ETFs to your portfolio or you could just add them to your watch list and check out how the holdings of these ETFs are being bought and sold so that you can follow the money trail. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Insider Trading in Politics Is a Bigger Problem Than We Thought
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Guilty Asking For More Money. Am I Wrong? Coach Me!" with Claire Wasserman
And now for some more money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
One more time because trust you will thank me later. Public.com slash money rehab. This is a paid endorsement for public investing. Full disclosures and conditions can be found in the podcast description. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
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4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
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4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible. It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use public for more than just your bond investments, of course. On public, you can invest in stocks, ETFs, options, crypto, and they even have a high yield cash account where you can earn 4.1% APY on your cash.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
4 Secrets for Making Your Kids Rich with "Law Mother" Pamela Maass Garrett
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Here is my book, Build for Tomorrow. Here is our book, Mr. Nice Guy, wherever you buy your books.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
The big question is, is Ryan laughing his ass off right now? Do I ask Ryan? Oh, you haven't asked him. No. So from the looks of the response, he clearly knows. Has this circulated the whole community? Is everybody laughing at me? Will I never live this down now in every Patel mixer and conference?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
You're the best. I just wanted to check in and have you join Jason and Morgan and I just for a little chat we were having about you and things and Patau. And we were like, let's call Ryan. I'm glad to be called.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
I thought you were about to say, of course. Now just everybody who listens to our show knows about it.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
By the way, it's a great PSA. It is a very important career PSA for the Patau community.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. As you may know, I co-host a career advice podcast with the entrepreneur, editor-in-chief Jason Pfeiffer called Help Wanted.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
I was today years old when I discovered that when you save somebody, which is crazy because I've saved exes in the past, like, asshole, do not call. I didn't put them in an email with the president of Patau or whatever. So we were watching a comedy special and And the guy had his girlfriend saved as baby or something. I don't know.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And then I was like, oh, we have each other saved as such boring things like our actual names. And so right before I sent that email, I changed it in my phone. And I just thought that that was for me and nobody else would see it ever.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Brian, we'll let you go on your merry way with your very important Patau duties.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
If you don't chat with daddy first. Exactly. And I guess my closing thoughts here are not every professional project has to be yours and not every professional project has to be shared. If you're thinking about having your romantic partner be a business partner in some way, you just need to make sure that it's mutually beneficial.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And if you heard my episode yesterday, you know that this week I'm sharing some episodes of Help Wanted that I think will be really valuable for money rehabbers. And the episode today, oh my God, I honestly can't believe that I aired this once and I'm about to do it again.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Public is truly the only place I buy bonds, legit, because every other app or site I've tried to use is so complicated. But on Public, I can buy a bond on my iPhone in less than five minutes. It's This is a major upgrade because most investing platforms that offer bonds design their user experience before the iPhone was even invented. I'll let that one sink in.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
It is probably one of the most embarrassing moments of my life, but this totally mortifying moment happened when I was trying to answer the question, when is it a bad idea to bring your romantic partner into work? In this conversation, we give you a framework to help you decide when your personal life and professional life should stay in separate lanes.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And then just for funsies, we spontaneously call up the guy at the center of my embarrassing moment. I honestly might delete this at some point. It is just that embarrassing. So please enjoy it while you can.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And I'm money expert Nicole Lappin. On Tuesdays, Jason and I answer the helpline and help callers solve their work problems.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Oh, my God. Yes. And I guess the only thing, dear listeners, need to know for context is that in this voice note, I was describing how I introduced my boyfriend, Jared, to the president of my favorite professional network, Patow, over email. This is what happened.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
We were watching some comedy special. I'm procrastinating. What was that guy's name? The British guy. And he was talking about what his baby mama, girlfriend, or whatever is saved in his phone.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And you can use Public for more than your bond investments. Public is the brokerage I use for all my investing needs, whether I'm looking for stocks, ETFs, a high-yield cash account, options, and other assets to build the multi-asset portfolio of your dreams. go to public.com slash money rehab. One more time, because trust you will thank me, public.com slash money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Yes, we have to. All right. All right. Learn from my mistakes, people.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
So I thought it was saved in my phone and I thought I was the only one who could see it. So when it was sent, no idea at all that the way you save it in your phone apparently is the way other people read it too.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Yeah, or you can see the actual email that I sent where this was all uncovered. So I was really thoughtful about this idea that this community...
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
The president, Ryan, has been on the show. We've talked about it a little lot. I am a big ad hoc ambassador. It's an important business community that I've been part of for 15 years. And I was concerned. I don't know if that's the right word. I was extra cautious and thoughtful about how I
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
nominated because you have to nominate executives for membership into the community, how I would toe the line of this is my romantic partner and he's amazing and qualified and he should be part of it. And I'm recommending him, but I'm not ignoring the fact that he's a romantic partner because that's disingenuous. But I'm saying,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
it in a way that also shows just how much I believe in him, regardless of that. So this thoughtful email, it took me a minute to craft the right balance. So I say, Ryan, it's with great joy that I introduce you to Jared. There is no one I know that more closely embodies the ethos of planning to take on the world than him. So Patel stands for plan to take on the world.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
He is the CEO of one of the most exciting AI companies out there, Canvas, which proprietarily measures consumer feelings and gauges emotions for the world's biggest brands. Jared's accolades are long and impressive, but none more impressive than the fact that he lives with me and has not completely lost his mind yet. As you both know, Patel is such a special community to me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
This is a paid endorsement for public investing. Full disclosures and conditions can be found in the podcast description.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
I have thought long and hard about whether this intro would be mutually beneficial to the max. The only answer I kept coming to was... colon, hell yes. So with that, I hope you can connect and discuss the beautiful shaded part of your Venn diagram while swapping embarrassing stories about me, Nicole.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
So my goal was to be professional, but also casual and connote the idea that he is important, but also self-deprecating and it's like a weird situation because this is a professional and romantic thing and I don't want him to get extra special consideration because of me for some reason, which he doesn't need.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
So I tried to write it pretty thoughtfully, thoroughly, use complete sentences, which as you know, as the recipient of many of my emails, do not have complete sentences. And then I sent off this email.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
That's 100% what it felt like. Digitally. Yeah. And so finding out that this inside, very, very personal thing first went to this very important community that I care about. And then now it's going to everybody. Okay.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
Oh, Jason, can it just be a funny story? Aren't there enough podcasts out there that just vomit on the mic and have no takeaway and no lesson and just two people laughing about crazy shit that happens in their lives? All right, we can dig deep. So, yeah, it's a tricky balance to strike, especially when you get together later in life. You've created rich, full careers with networks and
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
people and texture and contours and all the yummy things of a career well had and a life well lived. I've had that. He's had that independently. And coming together with that, I think, is a little tricky for a lot of reasons. It's tricky when you also act like a child and save your romantic partner's name as Daddy. So are there boundaries?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
So I struggled with trying to figure out where the boundary was. I have a romantic relationship, I think, for the first time in my life that feels very complete and safe and nurturing outside of work. And the shaded part of that Venn diagram is not a core tentpole of what's holding this thing up, which frankly, it has been before.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And I was very fast and loose with incorporating romantic partners and work. And as you know, work has been my life. And so that was the thing that I wanted to talk about all day, all night long. And I never really had a boundary and always wanted to be helpful to somebody else and vice versa. And so now I was trying to figure out where...
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
if at all, these boundaries are around this idea that this is a community that I care a lot about. I have been a complete, full human. Nobody needed to complete me. This romantic relationship has been only additive to my life. It's not filled me in a way that wasn't already full and complete. So how do I incorporate him into something that already feels pretty great, if at all?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Call Him Daddy... At Work?
And there's other communities. I happen to think this is the best one, as everybody knows. They do not pay me. I still pay them. So they can pay me to say these things. They won't. But is there a boundary? Could that just be my thing? And that could have been fine, too.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Trump Immigration Crackdown; Battle Over Birthright Citizenship; Record Snow In South; Soup Cough Drops?
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Trump Immigration Crackdown; Battle Over Birthright Citizenship; Record Snow In South; Soup Cough Drops?
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
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Oh my gosh, I'm already crying. I said I wasn't going to. I haven't even started talking. Okay, so last time I spoke to you, I was nine months, ten months pregnant, wrapping my head around a sort of kind of maternity leave. Since then, I did have my baby, a girl. She is beautiful and healthy. And I knew this was going to be a big period of transition and change in my life.
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I just did not know the extent of it because two weeks after we brought home our baby girl, we lost our home. Our house burned down in the LA fires in the Palisades. I thought, naively, I guess, in retrospect, that I'm pretty calm in a crisis. I've learned to catch many a curveball in a way that you only really can with practice. I mean, this wasn't my first disaster.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
It was not my first metaphorical fire, at least. But this was nothing, nothing like I have ever experienced before. The evacuation for us wasn't what it sounded like on TV. We didn't have orderly instructions about what to do. We literally saw the fire from the rooftop of our home and we left as soon as we could. When we evacuated, we left with nothing.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
Literally the clothes on our backs and our baby in our arms. I grabbed her, not even thinking to pack a bag. I know that sounds crazy. If I was hearing this, I would think it was crazy too. You know, you always say, well, I would take this or I would take that in case of a fire. And I had that list in my head.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
But when it happens, you're caught between thinking you'll be back, that it couldn't possibly get to your house, and and not thinking at all. I knew in theory, even before I went through this, what you are supposed to take with you if you're evacuating your home. But again, I thought I would be calm and rational in a crisis. And I also really thought we would be back.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
But what I could not anticipate was how all of this would feel as a new parent. I had been a mom for all of two whole weeks. I mean, the title still felt weird and new coming out of my mouth. I was still getting used to that feeling of... having a piece of your heart beating outside of you, which is a thing a lot of new moms say. And honestly, it's pretty true.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
It's also true that you immediately feel this protective mama bear instinct as soon as you see your kid for the first time. But if you're lucky, you don't have to act on that mama bear instinct. But I did. And the fire did not give me time to think. I just had to act. And we had to protect her.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
So I didn't take my wallet, my driver's license, my passport, my birth certificate, my social security card, all the practical things that are like another set of fingerprints. The records that prove you are you. And I didn't take any of the sentimental things I thought I would with me. My father's book that has his signature in it, he died when I was 11.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
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It was my most prized possession and the only thing I had of him. my journals, my poetry, press passes from the last 20 years, the glass we broke on our wedding day, anything from my wedding, my wedding dress, years of keepsakes, years of mementos that are more than just fingerprints. They're all of the things that tell the story of who I am and all I've built. So we evacuated with Nothing.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
And then we just waited to hear if our house was gone or not. And then our neighbor called us with the news. And I thought that was a low point on top of the many low points that you might expect during postpartum. But seeing a video of the remains of our house, it I mean, that made it real. And that was the lowest of lows. I do want to say I am lucky. I absolutely know that.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
I was able to find a temporary rental quickly so my family has a roof over our heads, a place to live while we figure it all out. I have incredible, incredible friends. And now that includes people I didn't even know I could call friends who jumped into action to help me and my family with things big and small.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
I have people who listen to the show who reached out to send me good thoughts and prayers and wishes. My loved ones set up GoFundMe, which we've been using to buy supplies for our daughter and basically everything we had in our brand new nursery, everything we got from our registry. I know that there are many people that haven't been as lucky. And so I have
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
been digging deep to try my best to do my part and share resources that I find helpful. Being useful, being of service has given me some sense of purpose and meaning through all of this chaos. But I hope I can be honest and vulnerable with you. This has been so hard. Losing my home and everything in it was never on my life bingo card.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
If you would have asked me for the top one million things that could go wrong in postpartum, this would not have been it. And it wasn't just my home. It was my car and our brand new office and our BO box and our pediatrician. It was the whole town that I built my life around and that I loved. I've lived in 10 cities in 20 years, and this one was the first place that felt like home.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
So all of this is like a surreal kind of grief. realizing that all of your things are gone in an instant. I keep realizing more and more every day, my night guard for grinding teeth that I have to get replaced, the driver's license, the passport. As I've learned, these things are really hard to replace, but they're replaceable. My dad's signature, the glass we broke on our wedding day.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
Those are not. The crazy thing is that it almost feels like you don't know if you still exist, partly because the paperwork that proves you do exist is gone. My most recent bank statement online lists my old address, so do all of my bills. It's an address that doesn't have a house standing there anymore. But it is so much more than that, and it is so much heavier than that.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible. It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
And the fire, I lost the memories that I had already planned on making with my daughter, what I thought would be, where I thought would be her first steps. Her first birthday, tucking her into her toddler bed that we kept the extension for in the attic when she was big enough. So in all of this, you lose the future that you had planned and also your past.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
All of those irreplaceable things I mentioned, the poetry, the book, the treasures from our wedding. If you lose the artifacts from your past and the ideas from your future, What in the hell is tethering you to reality? I never thought I would tell this kind of story, let alone live it.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
But here I am, even a month later, still delirious, still running on fumes, still constantly crying, hanging by a mental health thread. And here's the thing, this experience has forced me to face something that I have been avoiding for years.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
You've heard me say on the show before, you've heard me say on other people's shows, that I've always had this deep, complicated relationship with the idea of home. I've often talked about the mean girl inside my head that tells me that I'm going to be broke, alone, and homeless. And honestly, I used to think a nicer house, a better space, more stability would fix this deep ache.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
But this fire literally burned through those illusions. I keep asking myself, where is the lesson? There has to be a lesson. And if I learn anything from all of this horror, it is the idea. That home was never going to be solved by a bigger house or nicer stuff. That the gaping wound, the one that made me crave stability so desperately, was something I would have to face head on. So here we are.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
And maybe, just maybe, one of my favorite poets, Rumi, was right. The wound is the place the light enters you. So for now, I'm going to focus on finding that light, finding the gratitude, the gratitude that my family is safe, the gratitude that we have been met with so much kindness and that I am being forced to rebuild not just a home, but the idea of it, that something is
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
something deeper within myself about the idea of home. I've always felt like I could access something bigger than myself through my work, through this mission that I'm on. So I want to come back while I'm still juggling all of the things that I need to do to put all of the pieces of my life back together, taking care of my daughter, taking care of myself.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
But there is also a lot that has happened in the world since we last spoke. So this week, I want to help try to make sense of some of the big financial headlines. And as always, how you'll be affected. So you will be hearing from me again. No promises that I won't be crying. You'll also hear from some great guest hosts from time to time too. This feels weird.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
It feels strange to start to go back to work. I cannot pretend, and I cannot lie to you, that everything is business as normal. It is not. I am both okay and not okay at the same time, and mostly not okay and super sad right now. But I know I will be more okay than not okay sometime soon. And doing this show and talking to you is a part of my life that gives me so much meaning.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
It is something that no fire could ever take away from me. So thank you for being part of this rebuilding, this journey. And to everyone else who is going through this, I see you. I love you. I love our hometown. I feel your heartbreak. I feel your grief. And I don't know when, but I promise we will get through this together. One step, one day at a time.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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Fleeing the LA Wildfires with My Newborn
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Advice for Disrupting an Industry and Starting Your First Business with Ajay Prakash
You know, there was this one time before I did my own money rehab when I checked my credit score and I realized I had no idea what it actually meant for my financial future. That's when it hit me. It was time to get serious about my money. We've all had that moment, right?
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Creative Planning can help you with your financial dreams, whether it's investing in your future, tax strategies to optimize your wealth, making a dreamy retirement plan. Whatever it is, Creative Planning has you covered. I am such a big fan of theirs that I proudly joined their team as a financial education advocate.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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Advice for Disrupting an Industry and Starting Your First Business with Ajay Prakash
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make. This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible, financial geniuses, monetary magicians.
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You know, there was this one time before I did my own money rehab when I checked my credit score and I realized I had no idea what it actually meant for my financial future. That's when it hit me. It was time to get serious about my money. We've all had that moment, right?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Killing of Brian Thompson and the Human Cost of Healthcare with Jia Tolentino
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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The Killing of Brian Thompson and the Human Cost of Healthcare with Jia Tolentino
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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The Killing of Brian Thompson and the Human Cost of Healthcare with Jia Tolentino
Whether it's saving for something big or finally paying off debt, we all get to a point where we need to make some real money moves. That's where Chime comes in. Chime offers a checking account designed to help you take control of your finances. With no monthly fees, no maintenance fees, and fee-free overdraft up to $200 with SpotMe.
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The Killing of Brian Thompson and the Human Cost of Healthcare with Jia Tolentino
Imagine overdrafting and not having to worry about fees piling up. Chime's got you covered. Plus, Chime isn't just a financial tool. It's a community. You can get boosts from friends to temporarily increase your spot me limit. And when you help someone out with their own boost, they can return the favor. Friends helping friends make progress. It's that simple.
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So why not make your fall finances a little greener? Open your Chime account in just two minutes at Chime.com slash MNN. That's Chime.com slash MNN, as in Money News Network. Chime feels like progress. Banking services and debit card provided by the Bancorp N.A. or Stride Bank N.A. Members FDIC. SpotMe eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply.
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Booths are available to eligible Chime members enrolled in SpotMe and are subject to monthly limits. Terms and conditions apply. Go to Chime.com slash disclosures for details. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
So once you find an advisor that you like and you narrow it down, who is a fiduciary, who doesn't have FINRA regulating them, all of these types of things, you're down. If you whittled it down, you find somebody that you like, which is important, by the way, and you should be able to feel comfortable telling them the biggest things in your financial picture aren't what the Dow is doing.
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It's if you're going to get divorced or not. And you should feel comfortable talking to your financial advisor about that, right?
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
They won't get their feelings hurt?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
But it's your money. No one's going to care as much about it as you at the end of the day. And finding somebody that you can tell those things to. I'm having a baby. I might be getting married or I might be getting divorced. These all have so many different implications across your financial picture. What should you ultimately expect your financial advisor to do for you?
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How much access will they have? How much control will they have?
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
So they should maintain the accounts. Which accounts specifically? Just your brokerage or your bank accounts as well?
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
And if you have a 401k from your job, will a financial advisor manage that for you?
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
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And then how much do they have to do with taxes? Do they correspond with whoever's preparing your taxes? Would they help you at all with that?
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Or estate planning.
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Or recommend. So you should think of your financial planner as the hub with other spokes coming out, other subject matter experts.
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And how do you tell if it's working? In other words, how do you define success with your financial advisor?
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And when you look at your performance compared to the corresponding index, how much more would be success to you?
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And how often should you meet with a financial advisor?
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
And there are two common models of how to pay. Do not tip. Do not even think that you need to tip. But there's commission-based and there's a flat rate model. Can you explain what the two models are?
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So the flat rate model is still a percentage of what you, it depends on how much you have. That's right. $25 if you have $100,000 or a million dollars.
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But the more you have, the less you pay, essentially, or the lower percentage you pay.
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But the actual dollar amount will be more.
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And what is around what fee percentage is normal? Where should the red flags be?
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What makes creative planning so different?
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Thanks, Peter.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Peter Malouk, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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So we've nerded out a lot on this show about many different financial topics together, but we haven't yet covered the one that I imagine is your favorite, which is finding the right financial advisor. So let's start with a question that I think some listeners are asking themselves. Who should have a financial advisor?
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So probably when you hit 100K in savings.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
So let's talk about the vetting process. What are the qualifications for a financial advisor? What are the must haves and what are the nice to haves?
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So no broker, what are the certifications that brokers have that should be red flags if this person has them too?
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It's so important because sometimes they're sneak attack. And then all of the acronyms and alphabet soup sometimes sounds the same.
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Yeah, Bernie Madoff was a fiduciary. So, yeah, something really important to dig into and ask and try to not be scared of asking. I think that's the intimidating part. Can you actually go through and straight up ask questions? a potential financial advisor, how many clients do you have that have my net worth? What are your credentials? And go through the three Cs.
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The first time I met with a financial advisor, I was so intimidated. I was so nervous. And I think a lot of people are and they're not exactly sure what to expect. Are there beyond the three C's specific questions that you should go in prepared with for your first meeting?
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Do you need to come prepared with anything? What should you expect to show from your own financials?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
I think for people that are intimidated by meeting with an expert, it might be helpful to remember that you're the client. So if you're nervous, you might feel like you're the one auditioning, but you're actually the one that's calling the shots. So the financial advisor, there are so many of them, as you said, needs to impress you, not the other way around.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
Yeah. I'll never forget just the sweat that I felt the first time I had these types of conversations.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
Years ago. I talked about it in one of my books that she mentioned tips, and I thought that I was supposed to tip her. Oh, no. I didn't know. That they were treasury inflation protected securities, obviously, Peter. That's hilarious. So you mentioned surgeons earlier.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
People feel tempted to lie to financial advisors a lot in the same way that people feel tempted to lie to a dentist about how much they really floss or a personal trainer about what they're really eating. We want to do the right thing. So sometimes we might be aspirational. I guess that's a nice way to put it in our answers when we...
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
talk with a financial advisor about how much we actually save or invest. But just like with a dentist, it is super important to be honest with how much you really floss or don't floss and how much you actually have or don't have or what you're doing and what your habits are. How would you recommend people get through that anxiety of being brutally honest?
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
Let's continue to double click on this first meeting that you might have with a financial advisor. This first meeting is free. It should be free, right? So you have nothing to lose.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
Are there any red flag type questions that a potential financial advisor might ask that is TMI or you shouldn't go into if they're asking you about taxes or any specifics or is everything really fair game? Because sometimes it can feel like a financial colonoscopy.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
And insurance, potentially.
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When You Need a Financial Advisor and How Find the Right One with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Well, consumer confidence is continuing to drop in the U.S., and it's just too early to tell what these tariffs are actually going to do to the financial health of the country. One of my favorite economists, Mohamed Al-Erian, says it's a 50-50 chance whether tariffs will be good or bad.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
If you're feeling uncertain about where the economy is headed, you should know that you can invest in other economies, too. So today, I'm going to be telling you about investing in foreign markets, why you should, how to do it, and how to avoid any nasty tax surprises. But before I do, let me just be clear here. The United States is still the best economy in the world.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Nvidia alone, for example, even after having a rough couple of weeks, is worth over $2.7 trillion. And that is more than the entire GDP of all of Canada. Warren Buffett, one of the most successful investors of our time, is notoriously bullish on U.S. stocks as well. So I'm not saying by any means that you should abandon your U.S. stocks. Please don't. But if your portfolio is too U.S.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
If you know Arizona, you know they're like wild pig creatures. But honestly, I love them too. Being away for work, for fun, or both is a perfect opportunity to host your space on Airbnb. And if you think that hosting is overwhelming, I have a solve for you. With Airbnb's co-host network, it's easier than ever before to host. It's also a great way to earn some extra cash, which I know we all love.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
centric, it might be time to think global. In the early 2000s, for example, U.S. stocks were asleep at the wheel while emerging markets like Brazil and India were booming. And let's not forget the United States is also not the only country with a stock exchange.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Global financial hubs like London, Tokyo, Frankfurt, Hong Kong and Toronto each have major stock exchanges where thousands of companies list their shares. Some of the world's biggest corporations like Nestle, Alibaba, Samsung are headquartered outside of the United States and trade on their home exchanges.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
So if you're only investing in the S&P 500, you're actually missing out on a huge slice of the global economy. Diversifying across countries helps protect you when one market hits turbulence. And let's be honest, that happens more often than we'd like. The last couple of weeks have not been fun, have they? So let's study abroad, shall we?
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Just like individual companies, when it comes to whole countries, there's a risk and reward spectrum. Let's start with the safest foreign markets to invest in. And when I say safe, I mean the countries that have the most stable political systems, strong legal protections for investors, and an economy that doesn't just rely on one industry or export. So think of these as your blue chip countries.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Japan, Germany, Switzerland and Canada are notable ones, although Canada is a little bit more complicated lately with all the tariff whiplash stuff. But Canada has a stable banking system, a resource rich economy and strong ties to the US, which makes it a great stepping stone for first time global investors.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Japan is also a good option because it has a mix of tech innovation, industrial strength and investor protections. The yen is also considered a safe haven currency during global economic downturns. You may have seen this if you follow me on Instagram, but I did a video about this. In his latest letter to shareholders, the Warren Buffett himself called out the opportunity that he's seeing in Japan.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Six years ago, Berkshire Hathaway started purchasing shares in five Japanese companies, and he says he expects Berkshire stake in those companies to grow over time. All right. Noted, Warren. And then there's Germany, the economic powerhouse of the European Union.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Germany's manufacturing and export-driven economy is one of the strongest in the EU, and it has the longest standing reputation for fiscal responsibility. But we also can't discount Switzerland. Switzerland has a stable government, strong financial regulations, and a reputation for economic consistency. It's neutral in more ways than one.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
These countries are not likely to offer cuckoo bananas growth, but that's the point here. They offer lower risk and more stability. Now, if you're willing to stomach more risk for the chance of a higher reward, emerging markets might be your speed. In the early 2000s, the four big emerging countries were collectively called the BRICS. So Brazil, Russia, India and China.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
India is definitely still a top contender, but I'm hearing more lately about Mexico, Indonesia, and Vietnam. So maybe the new BRICS are actually the VIMIs? I don't know. I'm just coining this here, right here, right now. If it catches on, remember you heard it here first. Anyway, India still makes the list simply because it's the fastest growing major economy in the world.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
It has a young population, a growing middle class, and a booming tech sector. A lot of investors are calling it the next China. Mexico has also risen up the ranks, thanks in large part to nearshoring. Nearshoring is an economic trend that consists of relocating business operations to nearby countries or regions, often with the intention of reducing costs and improving efficiency.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
This became a higher priority during COVID when import challenges from other parts of the world disrupted the supply chain significantly. As a result, Mexico is becoming a manufacturing hub for North American companies. Plus, it has trade agreements in place with the U.S. and Canada that make it very attractive to investors.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Again, tariffs have shaken all of this up a little bit, but in the last five years, Mexico has been looking good. Vietnam is a rising star in Southeast Asia. It's benefiting from the global pivot away from Chinese manufacturing and foreign direct investment is flowing in. Indonesia is also a bright spot with a population of over 270 million.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Indonesia is one of the largest untapped consumer markets in the world. Its digital economy is also growing rapidly. But remember, emerging markets come with more volatility. So you'll want to weigh that against your risk tolerance and your investment timeline. So when you determine which foreign markets you want to invest in, how do you actually do it?
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
There are a few ways, but obviously I'm going to start with my favorite ETFs. These are by far the easiest and most popular way. Funds give you exposure to international markets without having to buy individual foreign stocks. For safer markets, two of the top funds, get ready for some alphabet soup by the way, are Vanguard's Total International Stock ETF with the ticker symbol VXUS.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
iShares has a similar one with the ticker symbol EFA. VXUS is up 5.2% over the past year and EFA is up 4.35%. For emerging markets, the higher risk, higher reward kind, there's an iShares Emerging Market ETF with its symbol VXUS. EEM, or Vanguard has a similar one with the ticker symbol VWO. EEM is up 8.6% over the last year and VWO is up 10.28%.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
I'm going to pause here just for a sec to unpack something. First, obviously, the historical trend for emerging markets is higher than the safer markets. We were anticipating that, right? As I said, higher risk, higher reward. If one of these countries has a major meltdown, the yield is not going to look as pretty.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Second, the safer foreign markets are not performing as well as the United States markets. VOO, which is an ETF that I talk a lot about on this show that mimics the U.S. stock market, is up over 10% over the last year. So again, the United States, great investment. We're just talking about diversification here. Beyond funds, there's American Depository Receipts, or ADRs.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
ADRs basically let you buy shares of foreign companies that trade on U.S. exchanges like Samsung or Nestle. They're priced in U.S. dollars, they follow U.S. regulations, and they're easy to access on platforms like Public, Fidelity, Schwab, any brokerage. If you want something even safer, the right foreign bonds could be up your alley.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
You can buy them through international bond funds like the Vanguard Total International Bond ETF, which is ticker symbol BNDX. These often include government and corporate bonds from developed countries. Because investors love bonds for their low risk profile, you're probably not going to want to pick bonds for countries considered emerging markets.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
It makes more sense to go with these steadier economies instead. And last and honestly least, you can invest directly in foreign markets. This is the most complex of them all and usually best for more advanced investors or someone who has deep knowledge in that area.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Buying directly on foreign exchanges might give you more options, but it also comes with currency risk, higher fees, and regulatory hoops that really have never been worth it for me personally. Okay, so those are the big opportunities. Now we have to talk about taxes. Investing internationally can have tax consequences. You know the IRS always wants a piece of that pie.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. So I just went to the grocery store and I actually flinched at the cost of eggs. And I don't even really eat eggs. That's how bad it is. Everything feels more expensive. And so I'm hearing from a lot of money rehabbers right now that their credit cards are getting a lot of exercise right now.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
So if you think foreign investing can help you avoid capital gains taxes, think again. Capital gains from selling international investments are still taxed in the U.S., just like your domestic gains. Seems kind of unfair, but so it goes. Some countries withhold taxes on dividends before you even get them. The good news here, the U.S.
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has tax treaties with a lot of these countries, so you might be able to claim a foreign tax credit on your U.S. return. If you have foreign assets directly, not through U.S.-based funds, you might have to fill out different tax forms like the FBAR or FATCA reports. Another reason why making direct investments abroad, not so fun. If you're investing via ETFs, you are usually off the hook for this.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
So to recap, investing in international markets gives your portfolio more balance and opens up opportunities you just can't find in the U.S. When it comes to investing in countries, there are safer bets like Germany or Japan and higher reward plays, more risky plays like India or Vietnam. You can go the easy route with international ETFs or you can get fancy with foreign bonds and ATRs.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Just remember, no matter where you invest, Uncle Sam will find you. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Here's one more ticker to check out. Vanguard has an ETF with the ticker symbol VEU that is, quote, all world with the exception of U.S. stocks.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
The fund includes about 2200 stocks of companies located in 46 countries, including both developed and emerging markets around the world. Just remember, currency fluctuations can impact your returns. So please keep an eye out on the strength of the U.S. dollar relative to the countries you're investing in. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin.
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Economy Anxiety? Here's How to Invest in Foreign Markets
Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
If you feel best maintaining your current lifestyle, complete with occasional splurges like dining out or buying yourself something pretty, we all do, it is the pretty rich life for you. Being pretty rich in retirement allows you to live comfortably with some indulgences, but doesn't factor in a ton of future growth. And here's the third.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
Last but not least, we have the super rich level, which entails having more money than you can reasonably spend, aka baller status. You may already have a sense of which lifestyle you want to shoot for, but the next step is to crunch the numbers to see how much you'd need to save in order to achieve this lifestyle. There is no one right answer for how you want to spend when you retire. The
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only way to get this wrong is to not think about retirement savings at all. Your plans can and will change, but having a realistic idea of what you're aiming for is the only way you'll be able to figure out how to get there. So let's make your retirement roadmap. For this, you'll need a writing utensil, a pen, paper, a Word document on your computer, a whatever you have handy.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
First, we're going to map out how much money you need per year for the rich enough lifestyle. To do that, write down all of the monthly expenses in your bare bones budget. These are the expenses that are absolutely essential. No more, no less. I'm talking housing, brown rice and beans, utilities, the necessities. Once you have your list, add up all of the expenses in your monthly budget and ta-da!
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
You have the rich enough category. Now multiply that number by 12 and you get your annual rich enough budget. Keep that writing utensil handy because we're going to go through this same calculation two more times. Get excited. Next, let's find your annual expenses for the pretty rich lifestyle.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
To do this, you should take your minimalist, rich enough budget and then add on some extra layers of, well, extras. For this step, list out some mid-level financial treats. Eating out every so often, signing up for a bougie gym membership. Whatever sounds good to you. Then add up these extras and multiply that number by 12 so you get your annual extras for the pretty rich lifestyle.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
And then on top of that, add your rich enough annual expenses to get your total pretty rich budget. Should I still have you see what I did there? Your pretty rich budget is going to be your rich enough budget plus some pretty rich extras. Got it? Got it? Good. Now let's calculate the super rich annual budget.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
This is where we dream really big with the biggest ticket items you ever think you could possibly want. Again, we'll end up doing some layering here. To find your total super rich budget, you're taking your pretty rich annual expenses and then add on all of the annual expenses for everything else you could possibly think of. A vacation home.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
a yacht, a fleet of jet skis, a big monument with your name on it. Seriously, go crazy. Now estimate how much per month you think you'd shell out to maintain that fleet of jet skis. And honestly, some of these things are totally within your reach. If you think about the spirit of what you want, maybe it's not buying a fleet of jet skis, but maybe it's renting one at a lake once a year.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
Then you know what to do, multiply the total monthly costs by 12. Now you should have three numbers, your annual rich enough budget, your annual pretty rich budget, and your annual super rich budget. We're not quite done yet because this is just the amount you're anticipating spending in one year. Remember, this is your retirement budget we're talking about. You won't be working.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
In the financial world, retirement is a really big deal. So it's a really big deal here on Money Rehab as well. Naturally, I have covered it on the show, like in episode 136, The Secret Way to Snag a Roth, and episode 63, Choose Your Fighter, 401k or Roth IRA. But the very first step in making a successful retirement plan is to know how much you'll actually need for retirement.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
That's kind of the point. So you won't have any income coming in. So your next task is to calculate how much you need saved in total to support your lifestyle throughout the whole span of your retirement. You do this by taking your annual totals for your rich enough, pretty rich, and super rich levels and multiply those numbers by how many years you expect to be in retirement.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
Typically, when I coach people on calculating their goal retirement savings, I recommend that they anticipate spending 20 non-working years in retirement. Other financial experts recommend budgeting for 30 non-working years. Really, that's a personal decision. I know you might be thinking, sheesh, warn us before you bring up our mortality. I get it.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
No one wants to think about how much time we have left. It is the big old elephant in the retirement room, though. Here on Money Rehab, I don't let that elephant go unacknowledged. Dumbo can grab a seat and join the rest of us in the pod closet. So did you do the math? I'm going to throw out some numbers for three levels of retirement wealth, but your numbers might not look exactly like this.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
I'm just going to make some educated guesses so we can talk hard numbers. Let's start with the rich enough level. The median household income in the United States is about $63,000 a year before taxes. The average annual burn rate, that is how much you spend per month and per year, is about half of that or $30,000.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
If we go off the average American needs, that's 20 years times $30,000 a year, and we get $600,000 we need to live the rich enough lifestyle in retirement. Now let's move on to pretty rich. For the purpose of this example, I'm going to use the $67,000 figure as the target annual spending in retirement because it's the average salary in the United States.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
So that means you'll need to have $1.2 million for a pretty rich lifestyle level of retirement. Finally, let's check out our super rich option. If you want to be super rich and your annual spending is clocking in at something like 100 grand, then you'll need to aim for around 2 million bucks to live out your days like our patron saint of badass old ladydom, Betty White.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
For today's pep talk, you can dig straight to the bank. Listen, in today's episode, we face the music. Well, numbers, but we'll end with some music. And we started with some too, which is by far the hardest step when thinking about planning for retirement.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
Crunching the numbers may have made you realize that the retirement life you're envisioning will take more work than you actually thought, or you may need to scale back. That may be the case. But also remember, after listening to the show, you're not going to have just one source of funding for your retirement. I am not saying you have to make $2 million to have $2 million by retirement.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
You can make part of your retirement nest egg through index funds and chilling, for example, and retirement accounts that are growing with the beautiful, beautiful forces of compound interest and investment gains. And rest assured, you are here in Money Rehab, which makes you in the exact right place to get your retirement shit together.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
Money Rehabber Mara wants to know exactly how the heck to make that prediction. Here she is.
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Winning Financially in 2025: Setting Yourself Up For Retirement
In my upcoming book, Miss Independent, Mara, I outline three levels of wealth, but I'll give you a quick sneak peek before it comes out. Here is number one. I affectionately call this one rich enough, where your super basic expenses are covered without any frills. Think of the brown rice and beans diet. Here's number two.
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Public is truly the only place I buy bonds, legit, because every other app or site I've tried to use is so complicated. But on Public, I can buy a bond on my iPhone in less than five minutes. This is a major upgrade because most investing platforms that offer bonds design their user experience before the iPhone was even invented. I'll let that one sink in.
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This is a paid endorsement for public investing. Full disclosures and conditions can be found in the podcast description. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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While you're binging the pod, how about a little bonus tip? As a starting place for your investment allocation that you can, of course, tailor depending on your goals, pros recommend making your bond allocation your age. How about a second bonus tip? When you want to invest in bonds, use Public, the modern brokerage for investors looking for a simple yet sophisticated investing experience.
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Public is truly the only place I buy bonds, legit, because every other app or site I've tried to use is so complicated. But on Public, I can buy a bond on my iPhone in less than five minutes. This is a major upgrade because most investing platforms that offer bonds design their user experience before the iPhone was even invented. I'll let that one sink in.
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It sounds like it. I mean, Bethany has said that there's always a number to go back to the housewives.
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I agree. It's not a charity. Right. Okay. So what was your, like a ballpark?
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Okay. So I'm going to give you $50 million. Would you go back to the housewives?
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We're doing an auction. Why is it 50 to 10? That's terrible.
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I mean, I'm just trying to find the ballpark. I'm trying to find the range.
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I like financial transparency.
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Got it. I'm sure Bravo doesn't want everybody talking about it because they'll probably be like some collective bargaining agreement where everybody goes up and tries to get money.
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I mean there's a balance, right? Because I think especially for women negotiating in order – this will be a real estate analogy for you. In order to price your house, you need to know the comp of the area.
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Okay, so the same thing works for, like, salaries, right? If you don't know the comp, like, how are you pricing yourself? You're shooting in the dark.
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Yeah. Although I would argue with housewives, there's been so much financial turmoil for so many of these women that maybe talking about it would be helpful because the number of bankruptcies, the number of financial scandals.
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Should I bust into the house?
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So I'll be honest. I haven't watched any Housewives franchise at all. You should be on it. Which one should I be on?
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They can tell me. We don't have to put it on. They can tell me how much they're making. I can look at the books. Because it seems like there's always a headline about a financial scandal on the Housewives. There's Jen Shah. There's Erika Jayne. Teresa, I don't know how to say her last name.
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Chudais. Why do you think so many housewives get into financial trouble?
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I'm in. Sign me up. Because it's not even living within your means. It's living below your means, which is not fun and sexy, but it builds long-term wealth. Just saying. With Erika Jean, she's been having all this trouble with her husband, ex-husband. It came out that she didn't have a prenup or something like that.
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Or you could flip the script, right? And say like, this is an empowering thing. I'm a woman. I make my own money. Like I need to protect my own stuff.
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I think some people think of it that, you know, if you get divorced or if something happens, it's like having insurance. You don't want the state to decide. You just want to be in control of what happens. You can throw it in the fire or whatever. So would you get married again? Definitely.
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So you're out dating. Yes. How's that going? It's going well. Are you on the apps? Yes.
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Congratulations. Thank you. When you were dating, did men feel intimidated by you, do you think?
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Wow. Or you didn't want to show that kind of paradigm to your kids too?
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You went to Columbia?
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And do you believe in like a co-creation talking about work or having him help you with.
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Yeah, I think how people are in different parts of their relationship, if they're avoidant or whatever, it just transfers over to how you approach money, too. Right. But it sounds like you're saying to viewers or watchers of The Housewives, maybe don't emulate what you see. Don't be as frivolous as what you're watching on the show.
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Yeah. What's one financial piece of advice you would give your former self?
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I'm financial expert Nicole Lapin. It's time for some money rehab. Money rehab. Today, I'm chatting with Kelly Ben Simone. To Roni fans, Kelly is an icon from the two seasons she spent on the show over a decade ago. Now, she's a successful real estate agent who closed nine figures of sales in 2021 alone.
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Of course, with real estate being such a hot topic, I wanted to get all of her inside expertise. But there's another money trail I also wanted to follow, the money trail of the real housewives. Full disclosure, I've never actually seen an episode of The Housewives. I know I'm probably the only person on the planet, but somehow I am still hooked.
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Despite not watching the show, I see all of these headlines about cast members who have gone bankrupt or are embroiled in some kind of financial scandal. And my question is, why? Why are there so many housewife stars with financial skeletons in their closet? Seems to be a story there, and I wanted to find out. Kelly Ben Simone, welcome to Money Rehab.
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Thank you. I think we're going to keep it. How did you start in real estate?
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I was just about to ask that. I was waiting to throw down that number because you were like, I just stumbled into this little thing.
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Does that guy want to adopt another child? The one who wants to buy a $30 million apartment? Who is that kind of person?
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So buy low, sell high.
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That's right. But it works in real estate, too. It's really hard to time the market. It's hard to figure out the trends of real estate. It's so city-specific. What do you think is going on with the real estate market now, if you could give us a pulse check?
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Well, it sounds like it's really a relationship business.
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I did bid on a place in L.A. and I lost it. So I need help. We've seen these crazy bidding wars. Right. It was like, you know, when interest rates were nothing. Lines around the block for open houses like they were giving something away. I mean, that's for rentals and for sales. Yes. And that's kind of changed as interest rates have gone up. But what would your advice be for winning a bidding war?
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I mean, I don't hate renting. I talk about this a lot too, because if you are taking out a jumbo mortgage and you're paying money every month, most of that's going to interest in the beginning, right? And that's money you're not getting back. So when people say you're throwing money away by renting, you don't get that interest back. You don't get a bunch of other stuff back.
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You don't get closing costs back. And so do you think we should bring sexy back to renting? Yeah.
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You're not paying a lot of mortgage because you can if you take that big lump sum, like if somebody saved up two hundred thousand dollars to buy a million dollar place, but they only have two hundred grand and they put all that money into that.
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Can we talk about a type of storm? The storm that is the housewives. I think there are a lot of people listening who will know you from the housewives. Do you think there's anything that you learned doing that show that helps you with real estate?
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So looking back, this is not something you regret doing. You're happy about being on the show. No. It paid dividends. Yeah. Many, many.
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And they didn't show enough of that, you don't think?
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How did you do it?
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So we heard rumors that Bravo wants you to come back for Housewives of New York Legends show. Are you going to do that?
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But leaning more toward yes. We'll see. Sounds like it.
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So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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That sounds awesome. I love the million dollar windfall. I would say it's important, though, to start planning, assuming that that's not going to happen.
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I mean, yeah, and you don't know what's coming. And we hope that you get all the windfalls. But God forbid, maybe that doesn't happen. Maybe something else happens. I would kind of view it as a nice to have not need to have and then operate your own plan independently. So if it happens, it's great, but you're not relying on that.
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OK, so I want to double click really quickly on something that you mentioned that you don't know how much your husband has saved for retirement. Are you guys really talking about money? Are you getting granular with each other?
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OK, so it's not a symptom of you guys not talking about money. You do.
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That makes sense. And I'm glad you're driving those short-term conversations, but we're going to think about the long-term together. And so the good news, Sarah, is that from my perspective, you have a lot of options here. I would just consider the fact that the golden rule of finance is diversification. And right now you're pretty concentrated in real estate. You know what I mean?
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Plus, her husband wants to retire early. So how does she balance these two goals? The answer is not waiting around until she's ready to buy a house or until the eve of her husband's wannabe retirement date. She has to put in the work now. She needs to know how much she can save for these future goals and then start saving.
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Finances are emotional. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely emotional. Definitely makes sense that it's anxiety provoking happens to a lot of people. But you know, selling a stock is probably not as emotional as buying a house if you need the money. So let's talk about ways you could diversify some of your investments since you've already decided that you really want to buy a house another house.
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Have you heard of a two one buy down? I have not. So this is something for your husband when he is missing the 2020 interest rates. This is a way to basically get the seller to give you a credit that effectively subsidizes your mortgage for the first two years of your home. So in a two one buy down.
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It's standard for the seller to give you a credit that covers two percentage points off the first year of your mortgage and then one percentage point off the second year of your mortgage. So if your interest rate, let's just say, is 6.5%, it would be 4.5% in the first year and then 5.5% in the second year. So then the 6.5% would only fully kick in in the third year.
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So it's important to remember that the interest rate is temporary unless you finance, but it is another option for you.
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But you wouldn't be a first-time... FHA loans would be for first-time homebuyers.
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Well, no, the assumable mortgages, those are often for VA loans or assumable loans that you would take on the interest rate, which is great, but you also have to take care of what they've paid into the mortgage. So you might have to fork over a bunch of cash, but there are definitely options and I'm glad you're considering them.
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So in this conversation, we do a deep dive into her finances so we can figure out that number together. But like most things in finance, these long-term goals are deeply tied to emotion. So in this conversation too, you'll hear about how watching her family go through the 2008 crisis has affected Sarah's thinking and how she takes a step toward overcoming that trauma in this very conversation.
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The second thing I'd consider is tweaking your spending plan so that you can be saving more money over the next two years for that down payment. With your HELOC and your student debt and your two mortgages, if I were you, I feel like that's a lot to juggle. So I'd probably try to make my next down payment through savings rather than with the debt. I'm sort of with your husband on this one.
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That's just me. That makes me more comfortable.
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I mean, what I would recommend is your house hunting is doing an exercise with your husband where you can sit down and make a V1 retirement plan. It's V1, so you're not signing a contract. You can always make changes, but it's always easier to edit than to write. Right. So just have something that could be your map for retirement. Just put something down so we could start planning for that.
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And of course, there are going to be detours and life and you know what else happens all the time. So it can and will change. But having something down. gives you more direction than what you have right now.
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So what I would do is think about what your burn rate would be in retirement, which also involves deciding whether you want to live in one of your properties that you own, or if you want to live in the Four Seasons or wherever.
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And then once you have your burn rate, you're going to have to do something that feels uncomfortable, which is multiply that by how many years you think you'll be in retirement, aka how long you think you're going to live. You'll also want to consider the potential for inflation and increased health care or long-term care to actively prepare for what you might need down the road.
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You know, it feels really ick and uncomfortable, but this is an exercise that just avoids the situation where you run out of money in retirement. Is that something that sounds feasible?
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I mean, it makes sense. They're uncomfortable conversations. I'm surprised that he feels queasy about them considering where he's coming from around debt. I think that having a revocable living trust in order helps prevent you from going through probate, which is probably what you're saying to him. It's not like, hey, babe, let's talk about dying.
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Whatever goals you're working toward, long-term or short-term, Bank of America Corporation has the tools to help get you there at bfa.com slash financial next steps. But for now, let's get into it with Sarah. Sarah, welcome to Money Rehab.
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But it's like, hey, babe, let's talk about how not to get stuck in probate, right?
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So once you get to your number, you can then reverse engineer how much you need to get there. But first we need to get to that number. What is that magic number? The V1 magic number. And once you do those calculations, I think things will be a lot more clear where you should put your money, whether it is in the third house or maybe it's in another investment vehicle that's not housing related.
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How does that sound?
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Well, we don't know what changes might be on the horizon for capital gains, long-term capital gains, or if you hold it for longer than a year. And those could be more favorably taxed. But if we're talking about retirement savings, we're talking about tax-free income.
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If you're investing in a Roth IRA, for example, or Roth 401k, because you would pay the taxes now so you don't have to pay taxes later. Do you have a Roth IRA?
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So you want to buy a house in two years. You found yourself in a little bit, it sounds like, of a Goldilocks house situation. Can you tell me about what's going on?
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Oh no. Well, I'm happy to break up about money.
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Well, I think once you make a decision, you know, science shows us that we love the decisions that we make. So you'll probably really double down once you just make a call.
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Well, you don't have to be scared if you have a plan.
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It sounds that way. So it just seems like this one area, it seems like you have some block around long-term planning, but not short-term planning.
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Do you know where that comes from?
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So you're overcompensating.
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For sure. Absolutely. But I think you just recognized where this block is coming from, which is the most important next step you can possibly take. We say all the time, as you know, on Money Rehab, the only financial problem you can't fix is the one you don't admit you have.
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and getting to the root of what that issue is is a huge step for you to confront it and to say just because it was done a certain way doesn't mean that's how it needs to be for me and you get to decide now yeah slow slowly working through it a little bit like personally like how I view life I can do slightly longer long terms I'm just like it we'll figure it out like I'm very much like I used to being scrappy like I had it was like
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I mean, constantly reminding yourself that it's going to be okay is, you know, not necessarily something that ever ends for people with financial trauma. I can tell you that from firsthand experience. So you're on the right track. You're doing great. How do you feel now after we've I've poked a little bit into your financial trauma and weakness.
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I think that's really smart. I think when you hear something like supposed, you'll definitely want to safeguard yourself, which is what you're doing.
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Awesome. Thanks, Sarah.
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Thank you.
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Well, I'm sorry. You know, they say don't meet your heroes because they usually disappoint you, but hopefully I didn't.
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I'm so glad. I'm so glad. And now you're going to go have this conversation with your husband.
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No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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What happened?
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And so he first generation American.
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But he's not saying buy the house in cash, right?
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So you guys have renters in both of the houses you own.
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Has it been hard to find renters?
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What are your interest rates?
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Well, sadly, the go-go days of those low interest rates are over. It is kind of like a double-edged sword, though. Getting a good interest rate is obviously awesome, but then you end up chasing that high whenever you dip your toe back into the market, which it sounds like is what's going on with you guys.
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And as we know, interest rates are coming down, but experts think it would probably take another pandemic, which we would not want, for interest rates to go that close to zero again. They were just so unnaturally low for so long that we got used to it. And weaning off, as you have been going through, is really hard to do.
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5% is like... Go back to the 80s of 20%. The next property that you want to buy in two years, what's your goal with that property? To live in it for a while, to flip it, use it as an investment?
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Okay. So something you can live in that doesn't have a yard that needs to be mowed. Got it. So that's going to help us look at this house goal against your entire financial picture. We got some of your details in advance. Thank you for sharing because we want to dig into it. Let's talk about income expenses and debt. Start with the debt because that's
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Not the most fun, so let's just get it over with. You have $128,000 left on your mortgage on your townhouse, $285,000 on the other house, $20K in student loans, and that $35,000 HELOC or home equity line of credit balance. Am I right so far? Yep. So that, Sarah, is $468,000 in debt. Again, this isn't bad debt.
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Mortgages can be considered good debt, but that's in the liabilities part of your assets, liabilities, net worth chart. And then your monthly expenses. I'm going to list those out. Rent, $2,900. Mortgage on your townhouse, $867. And the HO fees are $266. The mortgage on the bigger house is $1,871. Your HOA fees are $25. That's pretty low.
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I was like, maybe you're missing a zero, but no. Okay, cool. Life insurance is 53 and 37 bucks monthly. Groceries is 150 a week. So that's 600 bucks a month. You said gas is around 110 a month. And for the fun stuff, you said you're between 200 and 300 bucks a month. Let's work with the bigger number. have a little more fun and call it 300 a month. Does that sound right?
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So you have a total of $7,030 a month going out in expenses, right? Let's talk about what's coming in so we can see the entire picture. You and your husband make $110,000 pre-tax, but you're also renting out the two properties you own. And the rent you're earning is more than your mortgage payment, which is great. So you're both making a profit there.
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You said you're net making $1,200 a month from both properties. So let's add $1,440 to your annual income and say you make $124,400 pre-tax. You live in California, like I do, so your state taxes are probably very high. But putting state taxes aside and just thinking about federal taxes, your take-home pay is probably closer to 95K, perhaps more depending on what you're writing off.
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So $95K a year is $7,900 approximately a month. And we said that your burn rate is about $7K a month, which leaves you about $880 a month. And that's not counting your debt repayment for your HELOC or your student loans. But would you say after expenses, you're probably keeping around $800 a month?
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How to Use Your Budget Now to Meet Your Future Financial Goals
Well, let's talk about those savings. So you have $19,500 in a savings account. You also have retirement savings. You told us that you have $44,000 in your IRA and you're not sure about what's in your husband. So maybe we're going to want to check on that, but you think it's probably near $20,000.
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Love that for you. OK, I mean, I'm really going to zero in on the retirement part of your overall picture, because I think it's important to look at how that big purchase would affect what that retirement plan is, especially since you want it to be accelerated compared to what people typically think is a retirement age. Is that fair?
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So putting real estate aside, let's say you're keeping about 800 bucks of your paycheck per month and you put that toward retirement savings. Now, for most people, their burn rate in retirement is much lower than when they're working. The fact that you own your property means that you have minimal housing expenses when you're retired.
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And of course, that would bring down your burn rate dramatically. Or I don't know, maybe you guys want to live in a Four Seasons-esque retirement community when you're older. That's something you maybe need to get on the same page about.
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And it's an important thing to consider, especially an important thing to talk about with your husband, getting really clear about what you both envision for those retirement years. Is that something you've started discussing?
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The answer lies within the money moves you're making right now. And I'll show you how to make one of those money moves with the help of Bank of America, whom I partnered with for this episode. First, you'll meet someone who's debating this question right now, a money rehabber named Sarah. She already has some real estate investments, but she's thinking about buying another house in a few years.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
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Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more money rehab.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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Okay. I didn't know that people were actually wearing them, but good to know. How about NVIDIA?
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Why the heck do they even give a penny a quarter?
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Yeah, that doesn't seem right. Oh, last time you were on, you were very bullish on NVIDIA. And that was before all this deep seek stuff came out. Of course, the Chinese AI company saying that they spent so much less than OpenAI to build their software. Would you say you're still bullish at the valuation we are now?
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I know it was such a good headline, but it was totally bogus. So tell me about OpenAI. It's a private company. You can't trade it. But let's pretend we could invest.
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Kevin and I talk about what pro investors do during stock market crashes and where he's seeing opportunities right now. And Kevin plays bullish or bearish with me, my favorite, and he gives us his take on the stocks that are causing the biggest stir on the street right now. Here's Kevin. Kevin Simpson, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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Yeah, it's not all pretend. There is a secondary market. My husband, I think, put some money into Perplexity at a bajillion dollar valuation. I mean, their valuations on the secondary market for these private companies are ridiculous.
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Oh. Thanks, Kevin. Are you hiring? Okay, what about super micro? Is there room for other AI companies other than NVIDIA?
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I know that's how it works. Higher risk, higher reward, lower risk.
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Tesla is a really, really interesting one. And some people use it as a proxy for Grok, too, which, you know, of course, Elon and Sam Altman hate each other. There's like sharks and jets of the AI world. What do you think about Tesla right now?
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Are you okay? I just feel like it's been a wild few weeks. How are you holding up?
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Yeah, we'll have to double click on all things calls and another call for us. But I think right now, just looking at Tesla on its own, it's down 35% from the beginning of the year. I think Elon just came out and said to employees, don't panic, sell your stock. It's coming back. But just as we were logging on for this interview, nearly all Cybertrucks were recalled.
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And do you think of it as a proxy for SpaceX and other? Is it like Elon stock?
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How about Apple? Last time we talked, you were so excited about Apple. Are you still loving it?
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But just as a reminder, if you do own an S&P 500 index fund, or if you own the NASDAQ through an index fund, you do own quite a bit of Apple.
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One we didn't talk about last time was FedEx. The company just cut full year results because of uncertainty in the economy and also shipping because of tariff concerns. What do you think about FedEx?
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I don't know. My thought process around it is that it's a negotiating tactic that President Trump can't just come out and say, just kidding, psych, no tariffs. He's going to lose his bargaining power. What do you think?
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Okay. You're not saying that because you want to come back.
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Was there a stock that I didn't mention that you're bullish on?
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So in the meantime, before we do a deep dive into calls and covered calls and all the things that you're such an expert in, can you leave our listeners with one tip that they can take straight to the bank? Maybe if they're freaking out that we're going into a recession right now and really concerned about all of these headlines.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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So you're saying historically it's gone down more gradually and now it just feels like more whiplash. We need Valium looking at the market.
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You mentioned the correction, 10%. That's not a recession, to be clear.
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So the white horses being rate cuts, of course. Do you think we're in this as a blip or are there going to be more bad days ahead? Have we hit the bottom yet? I think that's what a lot of people want to know.
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OK, you're way more chill than I was expecting you to be. So you didn't panic. It sounds like a lot of people did panic, especially in the really, really bad day on March 10th. What did you do? Did you buy more? I know you buy more dividend stocks.
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Hold on. So when you say bought some of the Qs, you mean QQQ or-
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So when you say covered calls, not to get too technical, but if somebody is like, what are you talking about? Basically, it's like insurance that you're creating for yourself.
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I mean, that's the cool part about this, right? If you did have cash on the sidelines, and some people are like, okay, I had cash on the sidelines. Now there's a dip. Now I have no more cash. So we can't buy more. But dividend stocks are now having a moment. There's so much more discussion about dividend stocks.
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I think in any market downturn, people want to get a dividend, which is basically a little present from a company in the form of cash or if you are in a drip program, it's reinvested into the stock. Are you having an I told you so moment because you have been talking about this, whether it's a downturn or not, this is your thing.
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Yeah, and if you want to take advantage of that compound effect, if you are buying a share of something, you can typically just right there on an app, just click reinvest dividends or not. And so that's what a drip program essentially is. When you were on the show in August, Kevin, we had a particularly bad day then. I feel like we always meet in these episodes. Not so pleasant times.
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But you were talking about the idea that Warren Buffett was stockpiling cash. You mentioned that you were buying JP Morgan. I know Jamie Dimon cashed out recently when his stock was at more of a high. Do you think that Jamie Dimon, Warren Buffett knew something we didn't know? Or do you think this type of opportunity, this March 10th big dip was the buying opportunity they were waiting for?
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Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. As you heard on the pod earlier this month, the stock market had its worst day in years and has struggled really for months now to keep up the momentum we saw right after the election.
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I mean, it definitely helps increase what you have in the market. And we know that time in the market is better than timing the market. Although we do feel like, you know, we might miss a blip because in theory, we know buy low, sell high, obviously. But when it's low, we get scared. Like, is it ever going to end?
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And when you have cash on the sidelines, you also think, well, is it just going to keep going up? And so now I need to put my money to work. These are the plights of the retail investor, which is, I think, you've euphemism for just folks like us that don't have all the Bloomberg terminals and other fancy technicals that you guys have.
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So is this the beginning of a recession that we've been bracing for? That's just part of what I cover today with Kevin Simpson, the founder and chief executive officer of Capital Wealth Planning, an investment advisory firm with $10 billion of assets under management. So a lot of money. He's a big deal.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Money Rehab Well, there has been a whole lot going on in financial news while I've been on kind of sort of maternity leave.
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It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public, it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on Public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use Public for more than just your bond investments, of course.
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It wasn't hard to pick the first stories to cover as my first episodes back because two of the biggest stories in financial news right now are undoubtedly all things Doge and tariffs. Yesterday, we covered all things Doge. Today is all about tariffs. But as always, I'm going to focus on why this matters to you and your microeconomy.
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For starters, the way we talk about tariffs right now doesn't necessarily line up with how they actually work. So it's just worth reminding ourselves what tariffs are without any geopolitical frills. Here's the simple definition. A tariff is a tax on imports paid by the company bringing goods into the country.
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Trump’s Tariffs and What They Mean for Your Wallet
So, for example, if you are listening to this on an iPhone, a lot of the components of the device that you're holding in your hand come from China, and iPhones themselves are assembled in China. When your brand new ready-for-sale iPhone arrives at a U.S. port, Apple... Not the Chinese government, not the manufacturers in China who made the components, but Apple pays an import duty to the U.S.
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government before they can put the iPhone on shelves. Tariff and duty are sometimes used interchangeably, and while they're very closely related, they're not exactly the same thing. A tariff is a broader term for taxes on imports or exports usually set by a government to control trade. A duty is a specific amount of tax owed on a particular product.
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So in the case of your iPhone, the tariff is the trade policy that sets the tax and the duty is the actual bill Apple has to pay when those phones hit U.S. soil. As we're seeing now, tariffs are bargaining chips countries play against each other in geopolitical negotiations and conflicts. When he was campaigning, Trump said that he would introduce a lot of tariffs, and he sure has.
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The ones of most consequence are the tariffs on China, Mexico, Canada, and steel-producing countries. For a long time, the U.S. didn't have to think much about tariffs or duties on goods from two of our biggest trade partners, Mexico and Canada. From 1994 to 2020, the U.S., Mexico and Canada operated under NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement.
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Under NAFTA, tariffs between the three countries were virtually nonexistent. And this wasn't just about tequila and maple syrup. Canada, for example, is a massive exporter of natural resources like gas, minerals and lumber. An estimated 24% of all U.S. steel imports and 60% of U.S. aluminum imports come from Canada. Remember that because it's going to come up later.
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NAFTA was sunset because critics, including President Trump, argued that it incentivized outsourcing, led to job losses in U.S. manufacturing, and failed to protect American industries. Trump renegotiated the deal and in 2020 replaced NAFTA with the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, USMCA.
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The USMCA introduced stronger labor protections, especially for Mexican workers, higher requirements for North American car production, and updated digital trade rules. The goal was to create a more balanced trade relationship between the three countries while addressing some of NAFTA's shortcomings.
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Trump, like other pro-tariff politicians before him, sees economic reasons for instituting tariffs as well as political ones. Trump views tariffs as an easy way to raise revenue without directly increasing taxes on individuals. He also sees them as a way to encourage American manufacturing by making foreign goods more expensive, theoretically pushing consumers toward U.S.-made alternatives.
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Tariffs on Chinese goods, of course, have pros and cons. But generally, politicians on both sides of the aisle support tariffs on Chinese goods to some extent. When Mexico and Canada enter the mix, things become a little bit more spicy. The difference here is that China and the US are somewhat adversarial. Mexico and Canada are our homies.
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Canada in particular is a close partner of the United States. We haven't had a real fight since 1812. So when Trump proposed a sweeping 25 percent tariffs on products from Canada and Mexico on February 1st, Mexican and Canadian politicians were shocked.
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When Canada and Mexico asked what they could do to avoid tariffs, Trump's demands were initially unclear, except for when he joked, question mark, that Canada could just become the 51st state. which is a little like joking about cheating on your spouse. It's just not funny. And eventually people are going to start asking some hard questions and maybe even go through your phone.
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Then Trump spoke with the leaders of both countries respectively and reached agreements to pause the implementation of tariffs until March 6th, my birthday Eve, so long as Canada and Mexico promise to provide more security at the border. If a 25% tariff on Mexican products goes through, you can definitely expect to feel it at the grocery store. In 2021, Mexico provided almost two-thirds of U.S.
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vegetable imports and almost half of U.S. fruit and tree nut imports, according to NPR. If a 25% tariff on Canadian products goes through, we will also see higher car prices and construction costs. Plus, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said that he would pass retaliatory tariffs on things like whiskey, cosmetics and paper products.
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But we don't have to worry about price hikes until the beginning of March when these tariffs are reconsidered. On February 1st, Trump also announced an additional 10% on Chinese goods, which he did go through with. China retaliated with its own tariffs on U.S.
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goods, launched an antitrust investigation into Google, which is banned in China but still does a lot of business there through partnerships. And let us not forget the TikTok ban is ticking down in the background. This was all big tariff news, so I think we all thought we'd read our last tariff headline for a while. But then, on the 10th, Trump levied a 25% tariff on steel and aluminum globally.
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And remember, tariffs are taxes paid for by the importing company, not the foreign government. There are exceptions for some American companies that relied on foreign steel last time Trump did this, not this time. And remember how Trump paused tariffs on Canada? Well, they're not exempt from this tariff. And remember, Canada is responsible for a quarter of U.S.
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steel imports and more than half of aluminum imports. So this is a serious hit for them. So what does this mean for you? Well, luckily, we do have the benefit of hindsight and can look at the effect of the tariffs Trump implemented in his first term. Most economists agree that Trump's tariffs had a mixed effect on the U.S. economy.
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However, it is worth noting that Biden did keep a lot of the Trump tariffs in place. The tariffs from Trump's first term increased costs for businesses that rely on imported materials. A lot of U.S. manufacturers depend on foreign steel and aluminum, and the tariffs meant that manufacturers had to pay higher prices for those materials. Those higher costs were often passed down to the consumer.
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And as a result of retaliatory tariffs from China during Trump's first term, U.S. farmers were hard hit. In fact, the U.S. government had to bail out farmers to the tune of $28 billion in 2018 and 2019 to help offset their losses. In the face of higher costs for businesses, consumers felt the squeeze.
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The tariffs caused price bumps in things like electronics, cars, and even everyday goods like clothing went up. Studies showed that American households ended up paying about $1,300 more per year as a result of the tariffs, which definitely did not help inflation. And then there's jobs. One of Trump's key promises was to protect American jobs, especially in manufacturing.
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In the steel industry, there was a slight increase in jobs at first, but there wasn't nearly enough to offset the jobs lost in other industries affected by higher material costs. One study from the Peterson Institute for International Economics found that for every job saved in steel production, about 16 jobs were lost in industries that use steel.
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That said, the tariffs did force a conversation about trade imbalances, especially with China. And while the U.S.-Sino trade war didn't solve all of the problems Trump wanted it to, it did lead to new trade negotiations, including the phase one trade deal signed in 2020, where China basically agreed to buy more American products.
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Just like we have the benefit of hindsight, so does the Trump administration. So they will try to implement changes to how they navigate tariffs in order to have more effective tariffs this time around. But even so, it is likely that in the short term, we will see higher prices day to day.
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That means it's more important now than ever to make sure the money you have sitting on the sidelines is working hard for you so you can keep pace with inflation. This means at the very least opting into a high yield savings account instead of just a regular savings account. If you're not sure where to start, check out my favorite Publix at public.com slash money rehab.
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For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Goldman Sachs analysts say that for every 5% tariff, the S&P 500 earnings per share could fall by roughly 1% to 2%. In its simplest form, that means that the returns in the stock market will likely fall if the tariffs in limbo get passed in the beginning of March. The stock market dips. We know that.
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You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
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And in fact, dips are oftentimes when stocks go on sale. So it could be a great time to buy. It's also a good time to make sure you're diversified. I just mentioned Public's high yield cash account. They also have a bond account where at the time I'm recording this, you can lock in a 6.9% yield, even if the Fed lowers rates.
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In times of uncertainty, personally, I jump at the opportunity to add a little more certainty into my portfolio. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
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So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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I know that there's so much in the economy that's beyond our control right now. And so it makes me feel so much better that I can have control over my own little micro economy and do things that will help me and my credit score.
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Yeah, I think somehow we change mid-game, mid-play. I'm not a good sports analogy person, but we're long-term investors and then something like this happens. We can't all of a sudden switch to be short-term investors, right? We have to decide, are you a short-term investor, in which case that's a different bag, or a long-term investor, in which case the blinders have to go on as painful as it is.
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I really like the roller coaster analogy because I think there is a cost of admission to get to the carnival, to get into the investing world. You are able to get 7% to 10% returns over time. And so the ups and downs and the volatility is part of doing business as an investor. So I think that's important to remember. But people want to know how long those
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downs are going to be and how long the ups are going to be those are things we definitely don't know but from what you're seeing right now is this more of a temporary storm do you think this is you know more of a russia ukraine situation where we rebounded in a matter of months or is this more of a 2008 when it took a few years to bounce back well i think the worst case scenario is off the table so i think that the announcement that hey we're going to work things out with most countries
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Now, we just talked to Steve Eisman, who, of course, if anyone saw the big short, hopefully everybody did. Steve Carell's character was based on and he was like, come on, this is not a 2008. We were looking death in its eye. That was that was Armageddon. This is not that this is this looks more of a like one of the garden variety corrections in the 100 percent.
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I don't want to bring back the PTSD of 2008. We both lived through it. I was covering it. You were managing money, dealing with margin calls, I'm sure. But that was when the big banks were going to go out. That was a whole different bag. Can we just remind our listeners of that?
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Yeah, I mean, we call them black swan events after economist Nassim Taleb, where they're basically events we can never predict. 9-11, COVID. This was actually something that President Trump talked about when he was campaigning. To your point, he said he was going to be much more targeted and precise, and then it got really aggressive, so people freaked out.
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But do you remind clients that, you know, we already knew about this? This was told to us.
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As you know, it's very hard not to mourn paper losses. It's also hard not to rejoice paper gains, right? The most important day is the day you buy and the day you sell and the rest is a whole bunch of, you know, nausea or whatever. But I think that, you know, optimizing gains is another part of this story.
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So if we could switch gears and talk about some of the asset classes or strategies you find yourself looking for more often in a recession that clients might not expect, where are the big opportunities?
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But the lender assets are on sale too in kind of a weird way. What do you make of what the bond market is doing? It's doing something that we don't typically see going up.
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And what do you think about this idea that a lot of this could be manufactured to bring down yields when bonds are rolled over and so much debt is refinanced this year? Nine trillion dollars of debt is coming up.
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And to be clear, the president cannot control the Fed. But it does seem like a kind of a game of chicken.
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Will the Fed capitulate? Will the president pause on tariffs? We don't know. Unless you know. I don't know.
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I guess the different variable this time than previous times is the amount of information or misinformation going on on Twitter that's moving trillions of dollars in the market so, so rapidly.
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I mean, the president himself came out and said to investors to buy right before he paused. I don't even know if that's legal.
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Yeah, this is this is like an Academy Award winning horror film. You know, I know we've been talking generally, Peter, but for this moment, we've seen big banks increase their chance of a recession. J.B. Morgan's at 60 percent right now. Do you agree with that? Do you think a recession is on the horizon?
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Over the last month, you've been hearing me decode all of the latest dips in the stock market and tell you where the opportunities are right now. And I have some new perspective for you today from one of my all-time favorite recurring guests, Peter Malouk.
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Yeah. And if it's not a technical recession, it's certainly a vibe session. And people's feelings, especially consumer sentiment, drives a lot of this market stuff. On the flip side, though, we have Ray Dalio coming on the show soon. He thinks the world is ending. So he thinks that this is the beginning of a sovereign debt crisis. Where do you hedge against that?
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because that's a very extreme view of what the end of this movie looks like.
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Peter, of course, is president and CEO of Creative Planning, an award-winning wealth management and advisory firm with over $354 billion in combined assets under management or advisement by Creative Planning and its affiliates as of December 31st, 2024.
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No matter what happens, we will be prepared. Thank you to the strategies that you've laid out here today, Peter. We appreciate it. As you know, we end our episodes with a tip that listeners can take straight to the bank. Tell me, is now more important than ever to have a financial advisor?
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You don't need a crystal ball, just a decent rearview mirror.
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Well, I told you I'd help you get one-on-one help from Peter's team as well. So as promised, you can sign up for a free 15-minute call with the Creative Planning team to hear how they can work with you to help you achieve your goals. You can sign up for the call at creativeplanning.com slash Nicole. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin.
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Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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You know that I loved Creative Planning's approach to wealth management so much that I actually joined their team as a financial education advocate. Today, we talk about some things to do and not to do in times when the stock market is down. And stay tuned to the end of the episode where I share with you how you can get one-on-one help from Peter's team as well. But first, here's our conversation.
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Peter Malouk, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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What a couple of weeks it has been. How are you doing?
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Yep. So bear market down 20 percent every four or five years. Correction down 10 percent every couple of years. We know this, but somehow it feel it always feels different. Like this one's going to be a different one from all of the time in history. You know, history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
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So people are definitely feeling scared and panic, especially around Liberation Day or as Bloomberg called it, Obliteration Day. Can you take us into the creative planning offices? We love you guys. I'm sure the energy was nuts that day. I mean, what was going on? Were you glued to CNBC or Bloomberg? Was your phone ringing off the hook? What was going on?
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So let's talk high level about what those opportunities could be. What do you tell investors who don't know what to do with their portfolios right now? I'm sure even though you guys are calm because you've seen this movie before, people freak out and they call and they want to panic sell.
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Yeah. I mean, I think that when anything chaotic happens, it's always good to take a pause, whether in your personal life, in the market, not act irrationally. But during a downturn, you know, emotions get the better of people. Do you tell investors to stay the course with dollar cost averaging?
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Or could there be a moment to double down and invest more, more aggressively if, you know, high quality investments are so-called on sale?
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In your experience, what's more damaging in a downturn, bad investment or a panicked investor?
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Do you ever find yourself playing therapist more than financial advisor during some of these times? I'm sure. I mean, I know you're the head honcho, but maybe somebody's so freaked out. They're like, I must talk to the CEO. I must get to the top. I must panic sell. And then the red phone rings. I don't know what happens over there.
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But how do you balance empathy with tough love in those conversations?
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Yeah, there's a little bit therapist that goes into this too. I think people want to know that it's going to be okay ultimately, and you can't hear enough. So I want to dig into some strategy. What's your take on rebalancing during a downturn?
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Is it also a good time for tax loss harvesting? And if somebody doesn't know what that is, can you briefly explain it?
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And how do you help clients decide when it's worth locking in a loss for a future tax gain? So, you know, at what point does Visa have to be in order to take advantage of tax loss harvesting? Or is that something you do regularly?
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You alluded to a Buffettism that when you're young, you should want everything to go down and stay down until you need it later on in life. For clients nearing retirement during a recession, though, they don't have the luxury at that time. So what are the moves that you would have them make to protect their runway without sacrificing long-term growth?
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It's a really, really good point that I think gets missed in this conversation that you don't take your money out the day you retire. You need it. I mean, there's the 4% rule that you can take out a little bit, live off that and have the rest continue to grow.
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I mean, a lot of people think financial advisors are managing portfolios just by some set of benchmarks or rules. But in a downturn, what's some of the invisible work you're doing behind the scenes that clients who don't see?
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If you looked at your investment portfolio today, you probably wish you didn't. Wall Street just had its worst trading day in years by some metrics and the sell-off was broad and it was brutal. So today I really want to explain how bad it really was, why this happened in the first place, what will happen next and what you should do to protect your money.
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So let's start with what we saw on Wall Street. As you know, there are three main indices that investors use to track the market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average or just the Dow, the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq Composite. Investors use the Dow and the S&P 500 to gauge how the market as a whole is doing. The Nasdaq can also give you a vibe check on the market, but it's more tech focused.
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Today, none of these indices were happy. The Dow fell 890 points or over 2%. The S&P 500 dropped nearly 3% and briefly hit its lowest level since last September. The Nasdaq, which was hit the hardest, plummeted 4%, the worst single day drop since 2022. Peter Tuchman, the Einstein of Wall Street, who hosts the MNN podcast Trade Like Einstein, reported from the floor today.
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So obviously this drop was widespread. But if you're holding tech stocks, you really, really felt the pain. The tech giants that led the market rally over the past year got absolutely wrecked today. Tesla plunged 15%, the worst day since 2020. The stock has now erased all of its post-election gains. Nvidia, the darling of the AI boom, dropped 5%.
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Alphabet, Google's parent company, and Meta, Facebook's parent company, each fell more than 4%. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon all saw declines of around 3% to 5%. Even outside of tech, things were not great. Bank stocks like JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo slid as concerns about slowing economic growth took hold. Goldman Sachs took a particular beating. There are some obvious questions here.
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The first one is, why did this happen? Well, it wasn't just one thing, as is so often the case. It was a perfect storm of economic uncertainty, decreased confidence, policy changes and recession fears. The recession fears didn't just come out of nowhere. This market bloodbath marks three straight weeks of losses for the market. And it's not just a minor blip.
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The Nasdaq is officially in correction territory, which means it has dropped more than 10% from its recent high. But let me be super duper clear here. A correction is not a recession. It's not even a bear market, which is technically when a stock index like the three I just mentioned drops 20% or more from its recent high and stays down for a prolonged period. But still, it has not looked good.
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And the market gets very reactive when bad signals start flaring. And then the Trump interview happened. Over the weekend, President Trump was asked whether he thinks the U.S. economy could slip into a recession. And instead of dismissing the idea with a very Trump-like, hell no, it's great, it's the best, it's huge, which is what the market probably wanted to hear, he said he, quote,
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hates to predict things like that and that the country was going through a, quote, period of transition. Yeesh. Again, the markets hate, hate, hate uncertainty. And when the president of the United States won't rule out a recession, markets really hate that.
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Beyond this one tough soundbite, investors are also worried that Trump's economic policies, including aggressive tariffs and spending cuts, could slow down growth. As you know, since you've been following the show, President Trump announced tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico last month, as well as increased tariffs on imports from China.
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The tariffs on Canada and Mexico were paused, and now that pause has been extended through April 2nd. The market has not been reacting well to these tariffs, so you'd think that an extension of the pause would be a good thing. But this back and forth on trade policy is complicated for businesses. Tariffs raise costs.
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They disrupt supply chains and hurt profits, especially for companies that rely on global trade. As a result, Goldman Sachs even cut its U.S. growth forecast, warning that these trade moves could slow down the economy more than expected. And then for the cherry on top, there was the jobs report. The latest jobs report shows that the U.S.
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labor market is still growing, but there are warning signs that hiring could slow in the coming months. In February, the economy added 151,000 jobs, which was below the 170,000 jobs economists had expected, but higher than January's gain of 125,000. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.1 percent from 4 percent, which doesn't sound like much, but it does show a slight softening in the labor market.
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Meanwhile, health care and transportation were bright spots, adding 52,000 and 18,000 jobs respectively. But other industries struggled. Retailers cut 6,000 jobs and restaurants and bars shed 27,500 positions, which some economists attribute to immigration restrictions tightening the supply of available workers.
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Meanwhile, the federal government lost 10,000 jobs, an unusually steep drop, likely due to the pressure from Doge. Although the White House is interpreting these numbers as a sign of economic resilience, uncertainty over tariffs, federal job cuts, and immigration policy could weigh on hiring in the months ahead.
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Many businesses understandably are hesitant to expand their workforce when they don't know how supply chains, costs, and regulations will shift. And while the Federal Reserve is expected to hold interest rates steady at its upcoming meeting, concerns about economic instability could change that outlook if job losses continue.
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We had been expecting the Fed to continue some rate cuts this year, but Morgan Stanley is now saying that rate cuts could be pushed back even further because of Trump's tariffs. which could cause a temporary spike in inflation. Even beyond the stock market dip today, we see investors' fears elsewhere. When investors get spooked, we often see a rush to so-called safe haven assets like bonds.
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Investors poured into U.S. Treasury bonds, which pushed yields lower. The VIX, which is the go-to index for volatility, is also known as Wall Street's fear gauge. That spiked to its highest level this year. Even Bitcoin fell below $80,000 as investors pulled money out of riskier assets.
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Basically, we're seeing investors shift their money out of stocks and into safer investments, which only adds to the market downturn. One of the positive signs I'm seeing is that there's so much cash on the sidelines that people are waiting for things to be on sale that it will prop up the stock market from getting even nastier.
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Now, if you're wondering if this is really as bad as it sounds, well, we're not in recession territory yet. A recession is typically defined as two consecutive quarters of economic contraction.
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But the warning signs are flashing, namely increased layoffs, low consumer confidence, major banks cutting their growth forecasts, and key data points like the yield curve and Buffett's recession indicator all pointing in the wrong direction. Side note here, if you want to learn more about those recession indicators, I've linked the videos I did about those in the show notes.
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So this brings us to you. If you're investing for the long haul, today's sell-off is painful, but it's not necessarily a reason to panic sell. The stock market goes through these cycles, and downturns are just part of the game. That said, it's never a bad time to recession-proof your finances. And for that, I've got you covered.
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In the coming weeks, I'll do deep dive episodes into how to protect your money in case a recession does hit. So stay tuned, money rehabbers. Now is the time to stay smart, stay calm, and make strategic moves to protect your wealth. So please take a deep breath. I'm going to do it with you. And here's today's tip you can take straight to the bank.
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If today's market drop has you on edge, now is the time to take control of your financial safety net. Start by locking in lower interest rates on any debt you might have, because if credit tightens in a downturn, refinancing might not be an option. But also remember, headlines can just be a whole lot of noise.
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And strong companies didn't release any new data to justify this plunge, which means if you have cash on the sidelines as dry powder ready to pounce on high-quality investments, now could be your time.
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And don't forget to subscribe to the show because in future episodes, I'll walk you through how to protect your investments, adjust your spending, and find hidden financial opportunities, no matter what the economy throws your way. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes.
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Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. My guest today, Carter Braxton Worth, was quoted in CNBC as saying, it's official, we are in a bear market. Now, what makes this remarkable isn't what he said, because by now the bear market is obvious. What makes this remarkable is when he said it. He wrote this at the end of
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February, right after the market hit all-time highs and just weeks before the big market sell-off in the beginning of March that would kick off the bear market we are in right now. Carter is a legend, an absolute legend in chart analysis, which makes him as close to a fortune teller as we can get on Wall Street.
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So today we dig into what he's seeing in the charts that signaled the sell-off, what the markets are telling us now post-liberation day, and how tariffs might help or hurt key industries. We also dig into why certain defensive sectors might be your portfolio's new best friend and how even in rough markets, there are smart plays to be made.
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Carter actually did a really fun show and tell with me over Zoom, and he gave me a live analysis of the market with visuals and charts and all the good stuff. It's hard to follow in an audio only episode.
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So if you want that part of the show and tell, and also if you want to learn how to read charts like Carter, I published the clip on YouTube, which you can find in the link in the episode description. But first, the big picture with Carter. Carter Braxton Worth, welcome to Money Rehab. Thank you. Okay, let's talk money and what's going on in the markets right now. I feel like I need a volume.
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I actually looked in my medicine cabinet and I was like, what kind of relaxing thing do I have here? It is wild sauce.
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You actually called the S&P 500 sell-off before it happened in early March. What were you seeing in the markets that made you draw that conclusion?
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So if I could put that great analysis into other words, basically, you are seeing the big components of the index. So if I bought VOO or SPY, which tracks the S&P 500, that was not turning around as quickly as the big companies within the index. So NVIDIA, you mentioned Microsoft, hit their peaks, and then they kind of reverted back earlier than the overall index did.
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And so that showed you that the index was next.
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So the individual companies or the big companies are leading indicators to the overall.
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index what what's going to happen there and the bigger the companies the more of a reaction that it will have eventually like that it seems like those are the earthquakes and then there's the aftershocks of the overall index maybe i'm mixing my metaphors here but yeah no i mean look there's so much money and so few names the top 10 names let me put it this way if you went back to the night about about 50 60 years if you looked at the weighting of the top 10 stocks
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So you predicted that this was going to happen months ago, but now it's almost like an insult to injury reaction with Liberation Day. We're talking on Liberation Day. What are you seeing in the charts right now? Because the market was declining. We were having really bad days. And now this is just like, you know, kick them while it's down.
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Okay, so can we talk through which of the industries you think are going to be helped or hurt by tariffs? You mentioned consumer products like, you know, razors and Oreo cookies.
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And if you're concerned about this downside, what does that mean? For you guys, are you shorting the market?
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So where does it go?
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Thank you, Carter. Can we play a quick game of bullish or bearish rapid fire? I'm ready. Bullish or bearish on Tesla?
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Okay.
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How about meta?
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But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas. If you know Arizona, you know they're like wild pig creatures. But honestly, I love them, too.
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NVIDIA.
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But what about buy low, sell high?
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So what do you do instead? Is there something that you are bullish on that I didn't mention?
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Even with all of the craziness in the world and all of the natural disasters.
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It's me talking about public again, obviously. Are you surprised? It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Well, my fifth book, The Money School, launches today. Yay. As you know, if you've listened to yesterday's episode, my latest book is all about proven investing strategies to grow wealth.
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It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public, it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on Public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use Public for more than just your bond investments, of course.
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And so to celebrate this week, I'm sharing some of those investing strategies here on the pod. In picking the first topic from my book, I landed on asset allocation pretty quickly because I think this is the cheat code we need right now. You may have seen the news last week that the consumer confidence index fell by seven points this month, making it the largest drop since August of 2021.
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Translation to that, people are getting nervous about a potential recession. And here's the thing, you don't have to panic just because the economy is. Even if you're skeptical about the macro economy, you can create confidence in your own little micro economy by taking the reins of your own investments.
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So today I'm going to show you four asset allocation strategies designed to help you weather any financial environment. In other words, recipes for a portfolio that provides growth in good economic times and stability in tough economic times. Number one, the permanent portfolio. This is the brainchild of Harry Brown, politician and investment advisor in the 80s.
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The permanent portfolio is structured to withstand economic ups and downs by diversifying across four distinct asset classes. 25% in stocks for growth, 25% in long-term government bonds for stability, 25% in cash for quick moves, and 25% in precious metals like gold as a hedge against inflation. This allocation is prepared for anything, no matter what the economic conditions are.
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One way to set this up would be snag a broad-based index for growth, government bonds, particularly long-term ones, for stability, a money market account for short-term treasury bills, ensuring that it's on hand when needed and still earning money for quick moves, and a gold ETF serving as a hedge against inflation and currency devaluation.
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Historically, the permanent portfolio has shown its strength in providing stable returns with lower volatility than more aggressive investment strategies. Its diversified approach has helped it stay relevant through many economic storms, from recessions to high inflation periods.
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This makes it a reliable option for investors seeking long-term growth, careful yet laid-back investing strategy that can handle any financial weather. When the stock market is up, it grabs that growth. When the stock market is down, the bonds are there to keep giving you returns. During inflationary times, gold will see its value go up, and if you need to rebalance, it's easy with cash on hand.
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Plus, the cash comes in handy when interest rates rise. This strategy is best suited for conservative investors looking to swipe right on the perfect portfolio that reduces risk while still making gains. It's particularly attractive to those who aren't looking to constantly tweak and fuss over their investments. No shade if that's you. Number two, the endowment portfolio.
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On public, you can invest in stocks, ETFs, options, crypto, and they even have a high yield cash account where you can earn 4.1% APY on your cash. And there's an exciting new offering on public that I cannot wait to tell you about. Now you can invest toward your future self through retirement accounts. On public, you can open a traditional IRA or a Roth IRA or both. I mean, why not?
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Big name schools like Yale and Harvard manage massive funds or endowments, and they don't hire dummies to do it. But there aren't any fixed percentages for this. This one is about mindset more than a set formula. It's about thinking beyond the traditional stock and bond mix with more alternative assets such as private equity, real estate, and hedge funds.
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The goal is to achieve long-term growth while lowering risk from the volatile stock market. The financial whiz David Swenson of Yale's Epic Endowment gave some insight into the mix they use to consistently outperform other investment strategies. When Swenson first took over, the fund was mostly U.S. equity, bonds, and cash.
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Under his leadership, the Yale endowment has grown to the second largest in the country with a value of over $40 billion.
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In roughly largest to smallest percentage of the portfolio, it consists of absolute returns, so short-term investments like options that focus on generating profits, venture capital, leveraged buyouts, foreign equity, real estate, cash, and fixed income investments like bonds, natural resources, and U.S. stocks.
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The endowment model has historically been successful for several reasons, but namely being so diverse that it's shielded against big losses. Even if you get an F in one class, as long as you get an A in the rest, after four years, your GPA is gonna be fine. That's how this portfolio works too.
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By investing in asset classes with low correlation to one another, the portfolio can weather different economic conditions better than a traditional stock bond portfolio might. for instance during periods when the stock market is down real estate or hedge funds might do well cushioning the portfolio against large swings number three the ray dalio portfolio Ah, the famous all-weather portfolio.
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This model was first introduced by Ray Dalio. I've mentioned him a bunch on the show before, but here are the highlights. He's the hedge fund manager behind Bridgewater Associates, the largest hedge fund in the world with billions under management. He's widely considered one of the most successful investors of our time. When Ray talks, investors listen.
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He keeps the exact recipe for his secret sauce hidden and it isn't easily duplicated on a personal level. But here is a rough formula that Dalio says the individual investor could easily use to duplicate the results of the all-weather portfolio. 7.5% commodities, 40% long-term bonds, 7.5% gold, 15% intermediate-term bonds, and 30% stocks.
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This mix is all about covering your bases to benefit from whatever market conditions come your way, whether that's a bull market, a bear market, inflation, or deflation. The portfolio has actually weathered those four economic environments over time. When historically backtested, this portfolio made money 85% of the time.
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It also would have lost just 20% during the Great Depression, while the S&P 500 lost 65%. In some of the other big market drops like 1973 and 2002, Dalio's construction actually made money while the market overall suffered. Historically, this particular portfolio has made it through bull markets, bear markets, recessions, and everything in between.
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One way to implement this strategy is to start with the equity portion, so selecting a broad market index fund or ETF to capture the growth potential of the stock market.
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the bond component etfs mutual funds that specialize in long-term and intermediate-term u.s treasuries are ideal for their safety and stability the gold and commodities allocations can be managed through etfs that track the respective markets providing a hedge against inflation and diversifying the portfolio further
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This approach is best suited for investors looking for a balanced, low-maintenance portfolio that aims to reduce volatility and deliver steady returns over time. It's particularly appealing to those who want to diversify their investments extensively beyond the conventional stock and bond mix to include assets like commodities and gold that can provide protection against various economic risks.
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Number four, the Warren Buffett portfolio. Ah, Warren. We can't shake him, and we don't want to. He is the smartest and also the simplest. This portfolio only has two assets. Buffett reportedly outlined his target portfolio breakdown in instructions for his wife and their trust when he dies.
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Put 10% in short-term government bonds and 90% in a very low-cost S&P 500 index fund, he suggests vanguards. I believe the trust's long-term results from this policy, he says, will be superior to those attained by investors, whether pension funds, institutions, or individuals who employ high-fee managers. Okay, Warren. Implementing Buffett's strategy is investing on easy mode.
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It's one of my personal favorites. You start by selecting a low-cost S&P 500 index fund. The Vanguard one he's talking about is VOO, but any of them will do. then a little bit into short-term government bonds, either through treasury bills themselves or a bond fund focusing on short-duration government bonds. It sounds a little corny, but it's true. Buffett really believes in America.
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He is confident that over the long haul, the US economy will grow and thrive. By investing in an S&P 500 index fund, he is basically making a bet that his family will benefit from the growth, dividends, and stock buybacks of the top 500 companies in the United States. By investing in treasuries, he's betting on the US government.
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This method has historically proven successful as the S&P 500 has delivered an average annual return of around 10% over the long term, despite some nasty weather along the way. This investment strategy is for those looking for something super, super low maintenance.
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It's particularly appealing to those who believe stocks mostly go up but want to avoid the headache and the risks of picking individual stocks or timing the market. Buffett's allocation is designed for long-term investors who can ride out market volatility and are also looking for that buy and hold strategy.
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The historical success of the S&P 500 plus Buffett's blessing offers a compelling case for picking the strategy. While no investment strategy is without risk and past performance is not indicative of future results, this approach has the backing of one of the most successful investors in the world.
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It is a testimony to the power of simplicity in investing and the importance of patience, discipline and confidence in the fundamentals of the U.S. economy.
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now that you have all the information on these famous portfolios the allocations are yours to play with you can color inside or outside the lines depending on your particular assets and ultimately the lines are drawn to your individual needs time frames and goals it all comes down to your own preference and tolerance for risk ultimately i want you to get a good night's sleep so if you are scared now honor that feeling forget about me forget about ray forget about warren
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How you choose to create your portfolio today is totally up to you. And you have the complete right to change and recreate your investment mix whenever your heart desires. You can always take on more risk. You can always take on less risk as your circumstances change. and they will. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank.
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In my new book, The Money School, I have some other templates for asset allocations based on other financial goals and factors like risk tolerance and age. If you wanna see all of the options, please order my new book, The Money School. It is now available at the link in the episode description. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin.
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Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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While you're binging the pod, how about a little bonus tip? As a starting place for your investment allocation that you can, of course, tailor depending on your goals, pros recommend making your bond allocation your age. How about a second bonus tip? When you want to invest in bonds, use Public, the modern brokerage for investors looking for a simple yet sophisticated investing experience.
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And now for some more money rehab.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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Public is truly the only place I buy bonds, legit, because every other app or site I've tried to use is so complicated. But on Public, I can buy a bond on my iPhone in less than five minutes. This is a major upgrade because most investing platforms that offer bonds design their user experience before the iPhone was even invented. I'll let that one sink in.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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And you can use Public for more than your bond investments. Public is the brokerage I use for all my investing needs, whether I'm looking for stocks, ETFs, a high-yield cash account, options, and other assets to build the multi-asset portfolio of your dreams. Go to public.com slash money rehab. One more time, because trust you will thank me. Public.com slash money rehab.
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How Margin Borrowing Can Supercharge or Destroy Your Investments
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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You can think of it as your brokerages way of saying, hey, you've got some amazing investment ideas. I can lend you some cash to make those happen. At a top level, you're borrowing money to buy stocks and putting the stocks that you already own up as collateral.
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So if you've got your eye on 10K worth of stock, but you only have five grand on hand, margin lets you borrow the rest to make the full purchase. It's like getting a bigger shovel to scoop up more of the market. It sounds a little weird to put your investments up as collateral, but it's no different than using your house as collateral for a loan or paying a security deposit on a hotel reservation.
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You're offering an asset as a guarantee to a lender in the context of margin borrowing. It means that you're borrowing money from the brokerage and using your existing stocks or other eligible securities, depending on what you're investing in as collateral. So your brokerage kind of becomes like the guy behind the counter at the pawn shop.
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But instead of your jewelry, you're using your stock holdings to secure a loan. You tell the broker, hold on to these shares for me. I promise to repay you when I borrow. But if I can't, these shares are all yours to sell to recover your money. You're essentially agreeing to let the broker use your current investments as a safety net.
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And by doing that, you're reassuring the brokerage that it won't be left in a lurch if things go south. This is a new way to think about your brokerage that is totally legit. Your brokerage isn't just the home of your investments. Your brokerage can also lend you money. Just like your bank might lend you money to buy a house, your brokerage lends you money to buy securities.
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This service allows you to amplify your purchasing power in the stock market. Of course, this kind of lending isn't a free for all. You enter into a margin agreement when you set up a margin account. This agreement outlines what you can do, the interest rate on your borrowed funds and the brokerages terms for potentially selling your securities collateral if you can't meet a margin call.
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A margin call happens if the value of your collateral, the securities that you bought plus any others in your margin account, drops below a certain point. The brokerage will ask you to deposit more money or to sell some of your securities to balance out what you owe. This is the brokerage's way of ensuring that the loan remains secured. More mathiness in just a sec.
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But first, I should mention your brokerage also isn't just going to give you money for funsies. It's a loan, which pretty much always means interest payments. The interest rate on margin borrowing for investments can vary depending on a whole mess of factors, like which brokerage firm you use, the amount you want to borrow, the market conditions.
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Generally, the interest rates on margin loans are calculated based on a broker's base rate plus a certain percentage that can increase as the amount of borrowed money goes up. That all translates to rates landing between below 2% to over 9%. For larger brokerages, you might see lower rates due to the ability to lend at more competitive terms.
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It is really important, though, for you to check specific rates offered by your brokerage, as these often change based on shifts in the broader financial landscape, like changes to the Federal Reserve's interest rates, which, by the way, just kept steady this week. Hey, yo. So playing on margin comes with some perks.
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It supercharges your buying power and allows you to snatch up more shares than cash alone could grab. And that gives you a bigger shot at bigger returns. By doing all that, you're maximizing your investment opportunities. If you see a stock or a fund that you think is a great opportunity but you're short on cash, margin has your back.
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And that enables you to act quickly and to snag those shares before the opportunity disappears. And you get ultimate flexibility with margin. You don't need to wait for the funds to clear like you would depositing cash from a bank. And you don't need to sell assets to wait for that transaction to post. You can get up and running pretty quickly with margin.
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and now that we've covered that face let's talk about the risks because they are significant just like margin can amplify gains it can also magnify losses too a dip in stock prices might just be oh whatever in regular scenarios we know that right the stock market goes up the stock market goes down that's kind of its thing but a dip in stock prices when you're borrowing money that's
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not a oh whatever, that's more of a oh you know what. And then there's the dreaded margin call I alluded to earlier. This is definitely the worst case scenario of margin borrowing. If your investments dip below a certain value, your brokerage will call your debt asking you to add more cash or securities into your account pronto.
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If you can't meet a margin call, they might just sell your stocks to cover it, potentially causing you to cash out at the worst time. And brokerages typically have a hard and fast rule around how low your investments need to dip before they can issue a margin call. Typically, they require 30% for what's called a maintenance requirement.
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But this concept is a little easier to follow with a number trail. So let's use your 10K investment again as an example. Say your brokerage requires that 30% maintenance requirement. You put in 5K plus another 5K from your brokerage as a margin loan. So your brokerage has 50% equity in that investment, right? Half of your investment is theirs until you pay it back.
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If whatever you invested in drops and your 10K is now worth only 6K, the investor equity has also dropped to 1K or the 6K value minus the 5K loan or just 17% of your total investment. But your brokerage has that hard and fast rule that they need to have at least 30 percent equity in your investment. So this drop would trigger a margin call.
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And when that happens, your brokerage is going to need you to give them 30 percent of that new six K value, which is eighteen hundred bucks. You do have some time to come up with this money, but it's not a lot of time. It's around two to five days.
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And in order to come up with that money, you could either deposit 1800 bucks into the account, or you could sell other investments in order to put money into the account, or you could deposit more marginable securities, which is a little bit more complicated. But the big picture here is you're going to have to come up with the cash at a time when your investments are down.
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And if you needed to borrow on margin anyway, you probably don't have a lot of liquid cash. So this whole story adds up to being a pretty ugly picture at this point. To play it safe on the margin tightrope, you need to know your limits. Just because you can borrow a lot doesn't mean you should. Assess your own financial landscape and decide how much risk you can comfortably handle.
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And while I prefer less risky strategies where you don't need to keep your eyes glued on your brokerage account, with margin borrowing you do need to keep a close eye on your investments and your account balance. Setting alerts for significant market moves can help you react quickly and wisely. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank.
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If you do want to try a margin loan to get the best terms possible, you should compare margin rates at different loan amounts because the rates can be tiered based on the margin balance. But always, always remember that while borrowing on margin can amplify those gains, they can also magnify those losses. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin.
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Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Find a co-host at airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Well, if you've been on your money rehab game for a while now, you know that making smart investments can grow your money year over year. And you don't need a lot of money to start investing.
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But because whatever you invest compounds, the more money you invest, the better. That's where margin borrowing comes in. Margin borrowing is a money move that can give your brokerage account a financial boost, but it's not as picture perfect as it seems. So what exactly is margin borrowing to begin with?
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And now for some more money rehab.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
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The Biggest Investment Mistake You Can Make
If you wait until 30, you'll invest $175K. By the time you're 65, you'll have about $1.4 million. That's a lot, but look at the difference. That's over $2 million for just waiting 10 years. If you start at $40,000, you'll invest $125,000 and you'll end up with about $490,000. And if you wait until you're $50,000, you'll invest $75,000 and you'll end up with only about $160,000.
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The pattern is obvious. The earlier you start, the more compound interest has to do its thing. And look, I get it. When you're in the thick of your career, retirement feels so, so far away and you have other priorities. But even a 10-year delay could cost you millions. That's the power of starting early. Okay, but what if you're listening to this and you're not 20 years old?
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Maybe you're 30 or 40 or 50 and you're thinking, great, I missed the boat. First of all, it is never too late to start. Every dollar you invest today is better than waiting another year. And even if you start later, you can still build wealth by investing consistently. So how do you get started?
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Well, if you're the DIY type, you can open a brokerage account and start investing in index funds or ETFs that track the S&P 500. These are low cost and historically reliable ways to grow your money. That's how I started.
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But a financial advisor can be a game changer if you're not sure where to start or if you want the confidence of knowing that someone who literally does this for a living has your back. A good financial advisor can help you create a personalized plan, navigate complex tax questions, and keep you on track when the market gets bumpy.
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But just a heads up, not all advisors are created equal, so please make sure you understand how they get paid. Some charge a flat fee, some take a percentage of your investments, and others get commissions on the products they sell. Choose one whose incentives not only align with yours, but are yours. That's why I really love, personally, creative planning.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Today, we're going to talk about one of the most expensive mistakes you can make with your money, and it's one that a lot of people don't even realize they're making. Are you ready for it? It's waiting to invest.
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Advisors at creative planning are fiduciaries, which means they are legally obligated to act in your best interest and can help you maximize your money's potential. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you want help with an investment plan that's completely tailored to you and your goals, check out creative planning at creativeplanning.com slash Nicole.
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You can learn how they can help and get a free consultation call at creativeplanning.com slash Nicole. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
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So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Yeah, you're sitting on the sidelines and that can cost you big time. Today, I'm going to prove it. I get it. Investing can be intimidating. There is so much jargon, so many numbers, and so many opinions. Maybe you're thinking, I'm doing just fine with my salary and I don't need to invest. Thank you very much. Or I need to learn more before I dive in.
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Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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And trust me, I've heard all the excuses and I even used a few of them myself back in the day. But here's the truth. When it comes to investing, time is literally money. The biggest factor in growing your wealth? It's not about picking the hottest stock or timing the market just right.
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You may have heard me say that the ROI on investments typically doesn't come from timing the market, rather how much time you are in the market. It is as simple as that. The longer you are invested, the more it can grow thanks to the magic of compound interest. I told you I would prove it, and I will. Let's say you invest $5,000 in the stock market.
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Historically, the S&P 500 has returned about 10% a year. Now, of course, some years are higher and some years are lower, but 10% is a good average for us to illustrate this point. Here's how much you could have by the time you're 65, depending on when you start. If you start at 20 years old, you'll invest a total of $225,000. By 65 years old, that could grow to around $3.6 million.
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Wildfire Wake-Up Call: How To Protect Your Home and Finances If Disaster Strikes
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As you might know by now, I co-host a career advice podcast with the editor-in-chief of Entrepreneur Magazine, Jason Pfeiffer, called Help Wanted. And if you haven't missed an episode this week, you know that all week I'm sharing some episodes of Help Wanted that I think are specifically valuable for many rehabbers.
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Today, you're going to hear one of my favorite episodes of Help Wanted, and I'm actually not even in this. In this episode, Jason talks to a caller who wants a change at work and maybe even a new side hustle, but she has way too many ideas. So Jason gives her an awesome formula to help her determine which parts of her work should change.
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Plus, he shares how to fail-proof her pivot by making it into an experiment. This is one of my favorites because analysis paralysis is something I totally relate to and struggle with myself. So I'm actually stealing some of these strategies. Thank you, guys. And you should, too.
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All right. Well, talk to you soon.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
Well, the biggest feud on Capitol Hill is not between Pete Hegseth and his own phone. It is between President Trump and Jerome Powell. President Trump has been playing both good cop and bad cop, trying to get Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, to cut interest rates. Trump has called Jay Powell a loser. He said he can't wait until he was fired.
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But then just earlier this week, he said he had no intention of firing Jerome Powell. But while the markets and politicians are thirsting for lower rates, let's just take a beat for a second. Should we even want lower rates? On the surface, it's easy to see why lower rates are super sexy. Lower interest rates mean it costs less to borrow money, and that affects everything.
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28 percent that is a brutal brutal rate and it's part of why household debt is ballooning mortgage rates are still hovering around seven percent which is more than double what they were in 2021 so sure lower rates will help you pay less for a home for a car for your startup loan and everything in between and investors eyeing growth and tech also love lower rates lower interest rates make future profits more valuable and wall street loves that
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If you have a 401k, an IRA, or even a self-directed brokerage account, you probably love that too. All of this sounds so great, right? So why isn't J-POW jumping to cut? Well, because lower interest rates are not a magic bullet in the overall economy. They are a short-term high, and they come with some serious long-term side effects, like inflation.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
And yes, sure, inflation has cooled off a lot since the insane 9.1% peak that we saw in June of 2022. But core inflation, that's the one that strips out food and energy, is still sitting north of 3%. That is a full point above the Fed's target of 2%. So if the Fed cuts rates too soon, it could undo all the work they've done fighting inflation. We've seen this movie before.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
In the 1970s, the Fed tried to bring down inflation but caved early. As a result, we got four recessions in less than a decade. That is not just a bad sequel. That is a horror franchise. Also, the housing story might not be a good one either. Lower interest rates means more people can afford to buy. That means higher demand, which means higher home prices.
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This happened just a couple of years ago after rates were slashed during COVID. Mortgage rates, remember, dropped below 3%, but home prices shot up by over 40% in just two years. So even if your monthly payment goes down, the price tag on a new house may just shoot up and price you out anyway. The federal debt story is a complicated one, too.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
You've heard me talk a few times on the pod about the theory that President Trump is using tariffs to put negative pressure on the economy so that the Fed lowers interest rates and the US can refinance its $36 trillion debt problem. And yes, lower rates would make that debt a lot cheaper to service.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
But if the Fed slashes rates too aggressively, it can freak out bond investors who start to worry about the Fed panicking. That fear drives up the cost of borrowing longer term and can shake faith in America's credit worthiness, which is not a vibe. OK, last problemo, I promise. Lower interest rates also is bad news for savers.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
Right now, we are finally seeing decent rates on high yield savings accounts averaging over 4 percent nationally. That is great news for retirees and anyone playing it safe. But if rates go down, so do those yields. And with inflation still above 3%, a 1% return on your savings account, remember those, can actually result in a net loss. That's what economists call a negative real return.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
And what I call robbery. And worst of all, if inflation comes back, they'll have to hike rates yet again. It's kind of this yo-yo policy that is exactly what causes recessions. So yeah, bullying Jerome Powell into cutting interest rates might feel good in the moment, Mr. President. But let us not forget, rock bottom interest rates were never, ever normal. Low interest rates were a shot in the arm.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
It was the drug the economy was on in the years after 2008. I remember those years. Well, we almost saw an apocalypse. Then we became junkies for these low interest rates. And then we went to rehab. And now we are itching for another fix. But rock bottom interest rates are not normal. They are extreme measures. You don't give a patient morphine just for funsies. It's not a party drug.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
You do it because there's a serious problem. There's serious pain. Do we want to feel that pain just to get a little high? I don't think so. So stay in money rehab, Washington. Stay in money rehab. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. I'm budgeting a little extra cash to invest around the time the Fed meets next, which is May 6th and 7th.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
That's the Fed's next opportunity to change the Fed rate or keep it the same. No matter what JPOW decides on, there will be an investment opportunity. If the Fed keeps the rate the same, the stock market will probably react poorly, which is a buying opportunity from my perspective.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
Keeping a little cash on the sidelines for buying opportunities is also a powerful psychological trick to help you keep calm during market downturns. It helps reframe the whole thing of what could be seen as a negative or stressful moment into a positive one. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. So I just went to the grocery store and I actually flinched at the cost of eggs. And I don't even really eat eggs. That's how bad it is. Everything feels more expensive. And so I'm hearing from a lot of money rehabbers right now that their credit cards are getting a lot of exercise right now.
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Hot Take on Interest Rates & Why Trump and the Fed Are Fighting
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
but they are higher risk higher reward which is why you see some people phase those out and opt into more bonds as they get older because they're more steady so let's talk about financial goals are you invested for retirement passive income something else i guess just overall financial well-being
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Love it. Okay. So let's talk about diversification. If anyone listening doesn't know diversification is the investing version of don't put all of your eggs in one basket. So have you started thinking about how bonds might fit into your portfolio?
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Cool. So essentially, a bond is an IOU. Most people know that the U.S. government issues bonds, but so do other governments, municipalities and companies. We have to talk about U.S. bonds or treasuries because they're a really solid investment. But I also want to talk about corporate bonds because not enough people know about them. Sound good?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
yeah love it great so treasuries are bonds issued by the us government which makes them one of the safest investments out there because if the us government goes down we have more to be concerned about than our bond investments it's the zombie apocalypse stuff but So they come in a few flavors, treasury bills or T-bills, and those are short term bonds that mature in a year or less.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Then there are T-notes, treasury notes. They mature between two and ten years. And then for the long haul, there are T-bonds and they mature in 20 or 30 years. Any questions about that?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. When it comes to investing, a lot of people think about stocks first. And hey, I totally get it. Stocks are very exciting. But bonds? Bonds do deserve a little bit more love.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Well, that's going to be very personal based on your goals, but I can tell you what I do. I typically look at the yield, which is how you can determine how much you'll earn in interest from the bond investment if you keep invested until the bond fully matures. Typically, I just want to earn as much money as I possibly can.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
But there are also other personal factors like when you need the money back. If you wanted to buy a house in the next two years, for example, I wouldn't put my entire savings into a 30-year bond because I would need it in two years. You know what I mean?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
So the yield on treasuries is subject to change, obviously, but right now I'm seeing the range between 3.85 and 4.27 percent. I'll tell you where to find those in just a sec. But again, the big advantage to bonds is that you still are earning interest. It's just way lower risk and you can set it and forget it. I mean, some people level up on this strategy through treasury ladders.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
If you're looking for a way to earn passive income with lower risk than stocks, bonds might be your new best friend. Today I'm talking to a money rehabber who wants to start investing in bonds but isn't sure where to start. We'll go over the basics, break down key terms, and figure out how bonds can fit into her financial goals. So let's get into it. Sierra, welcome to Money Rehab.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Have you heard of that term before?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
A treasury ladder is when you buy treasuries with different maturities so you always have bonds maturing and paying you out. For example, you buy a one-year, three-year, and five-year treasury bond today. When the one-year bond matures, you roll the money into a new five-year bond. The next year, the three-year bond matures, you do the very same thing.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
That way, you're always keeping a steady stream of income coming in while you're also reinvesting.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
How do I do that? Let's put a bit in that one for a sec too, because I'll tell you how to do all of this once we go through your options. But next I want to talk about corporate bonds. Corporate bonds work the same way as treasuries do, except you're lending money to a company instead of the government. There are literally thousands of companies that do this.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Big companies that you see in the headlines, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, the parent company of Google, Nvidia, Amazon, even private companies that you can't buy on public markets.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Yeah. So if you invest in funds, you're probably already invested in some of these companies anyway. But bonds are another way to do it. Corporate bonds tend to pay higher yields than treasuries. Not always, but that's the general trend. But that's because corporate bonds come with more risk.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
If a company struggles, they might not be able to pay you back, but you can assess the company's credit worthiness through credit ratings. It's like their credit score. Agencies like Moody's rate corporate bonds based on how risky they are. It's sort of like our credit scores as individuals, but for companies. So what's a good rating? Great question.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
AAA is the safest, while lower rated bonds, BB and below are riskier, but they might offer higher returns. Remember, lower risk, lower returns, higher risk, higher returns. So credit rating is definitely something to check out when you're choosing a corporate bond. And while you're doing your research, I'd also look at the bond's liquidity score and whether it's callable.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
The liquidity score tells you how easy it is to buy or sell the bond. Some corporate bonds are heavily traded, while others might be harder to sell. So if something has a low liquidity score, you might not be able to melt that bond into cash, so to speak, when you need it.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Essentially, yes. And then some corporate bonds are callable, meaning that a company can pay them off early. This can be a downside for investors if interest rates drop because the company might decide to call a bond and reissue new bonds at lower rates, leaving you without those interest payments.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
So let's circle back to you. Now that we've got the basics covered, how are you feeling?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
That is really personal based on your goals. One common way investors start allocating their portfolios is just by taking their age and making that percentage of their portfolio invested in bonds. So for you, that would be 27% in bonds and 73% in equities or stocks. But again, you'll want to think about your specific goals and how bonds should play a role in helping you achieve those goals.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Yes. So the place I do this is Public. Public makes bond investing super, super accessible. You can invest in both corporate bonds and treasuries on Public. So when we were talking, I went on my public account to look at treasury yields. That's where I go to check to see what yields are available to me because public is the only place that I personally buy bonds. True story, legit.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
So what's your question?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
On public, you can buy corporate bonds, you can set up a treasury ladder, and there's also a bond fund right now that combines 10 investment grade and high yield corporate bonds. I have personally invested in that, and right now the bond fund is earning 6.6% annual yield. And when you invest, you lock that rate in, even if the Fed lowers rates.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
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Well, yes, do that. Let me know how it goes. Thank you. Of course. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you're ready to start investing in bonds, public.com is my go-to spot. Plus, if you roll over a 401k or transfer an IRA to public, you can earn a bonus of up to $10,000. Open your account today at public.com slash money rehab. This is a paid endorsement for public investing.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Full disclosure and conditions can be found in the podcast description. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Oh, great. Okay. So there's a lot to talk about here. I love that you're thinking about diversification. So you're not invested in bonds, but you're invested in stocks. Have you been picking individual stocks or investing in equity funds?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
Awesome. How much do you have invested?
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Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
And you have no bonds?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Bonds 101: How to Add Stability (and Income!) to Your Portfolio
It's totally okay. We can fix this. How old are you, by the way? I'm 27. Okay. Well, good for you for starting so early. I love to hear that. And it is common for younger investors to focus on equities or stocks because equities have a reputation for delivering higher rewards than bonds.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
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Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. So a couple of years ago, I got into a really bad car accident. I was rear-ended, my car was totaled, and the whiplash I experienced then is only second to the whiplash I experienced in the markets this week.
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That is how much the S&P 500 came back yesterday and nearly 2,500. That is the number of points the Dow jumped yesterday. On Monday, I did an episode about why the markets dropped and wow, I cannot believe that episode just came out on Monday because it feels like 100,000 years ago. But anyway, we already did that. So let's talk about why it rallied yesterday.
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It actually starts with a false rally that happened a few days earlier. On Monday, a tweet caused the market to add back trillions of dollars in value. The problem was the tweet had completely wrong information. A regular guy, Walter Bloomberg, the name is just a weird coincidence. He has no affiliation to the other Bloomberg.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
tweeted that Kevin Hassett, President Trump's director of the National Economic Council, said that Trump was considering a 90-day pause on his controversial tariff proposal. So, Walter said that Kevin said that Trump said that he was considering a 90-day pause on tariffs. But, He wasn't at the time. The origin of the tweet is even more of a he said, he said.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
When we go deeper into this rabbit hole, the real origin of this mixup was a tweet that Bill Ackman, famed hedge fund manager investor, posted on Sunday. The tweet was very long, but the highlights were, quote, The president has an opportunity to call a 90-day timeout, negotiate and resolve unfair asymmetric tariff deals and induce trillions of dollars of new investment in our country.
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And the president has an opportunity on Monday to call a timeout and have the time to execute on fixing an unfair tariff system. Alternatively, we are headed for a self-induced economic nuclear winter and we should start hunkering down." Then on Fox News, Kevin Hassett was asked about whether Trump will do a 90-day pause in response to Bill Ackman's plea.
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And Hassett said, quote, you know, I think the president is going to decide what the president is going to decide. But then he went on to talk about how effective the tariffs were. So not a no, but certainly not a statement about any semblance of a plan to pause tariffs.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
And then on Monday, CNBC aired on TV in a banner that read, Hassett says Trump is considering a 90-day pause in tariffs for all countries except China, which was totally misconstrued from the Fox interview. And the CNBC reporters on air quickly corrected it. But then it was too late. Reuters picked it up, which was what then caused Walter Bloomberg, not that Bloomberg, to tweet.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
So the full story is Walter Bloomberg said that Reuters said that CNBC said that Kevin Hassett said that Trump said he was considering a 90 day pause on tariffs because of what Kevin Hassett said about what Bill Ackman said. Are we following? It was basically a crazy, crazy game of telephone. And the White House channels started sharing Walter Bloomberg's tweet and denied it right away.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
But at that point, it was too late. The market had rallied 10 percent on the tweet. So imagine the market's surprise when just two days later, Trump did announce a 90 day pause on all reciprocal tariffs. except for China, which got slapped with more tariffs. The grand total, by the way, for China is now 125 percent. So net net reciprocal tariffs still apply to Chinese goods.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
But for all other countries, only a 10 percent universal rate applies. not the additional tariffs based on that complicated-looking tariff formula that Trump whipped up on Liberation Day. And I said imagine the market surprised, but I mean, I am not surprised at all.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
I said last week when I talked to James Altucher that at some point, Trump, I thought, would say, psych, this has all been a big bargaining chip. That's not exactly what the president said when he made the announcement. What he actually said was that he did this because people were getting, quote, yippee. In response, the market rallied big time, this time because of real news.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
So what happens next? This is a relief rally. Investors are relieved that a vast majority of tariffs are being walked back. But when the dust of this announcement settles, China still is a really important manufacturing and trading partner. And so with these tariffs, it's hard to imagine a scenario where we can just jump back into a bull market.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
It kind of reminds me of this thing I've seen kids do when they have bad news to tell their parents, say they broke a lamp or something. And so they make up a worse story to tell their parents, like, sorry, mom and dad, the dog ran away. Just kidding. Good news is the dog is totally fine, but the bad news is I did break a lamp.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
The knee-jerk reaction is relief that the news isn't that bad, but the parents still get to be mad about the thing that went wrong. I think this latest news on tariffs will be kind of like that. We're enjoying our moment of relief that tariffs are not that far-reaching.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
But once we take a deep breath and settle into what remains, the market will go back to throwing a tantrum about the tariffs on Chinese goods. So why keep the tariffs at all? Everyone thinks Trump's new tariffs are about punishing China or reviving American manufacturing and that the stock market is just collateral damage. But that's not the entire story.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
The collateral damage might be, in fact, the whole point. Here's the deal. As you know, the United States has a giant debt problem. As I'm recording this, the national debt is $36.2 trillion. And even though I'm publishing this episode tomorrow, really just three hours from now, the debt will still be higher by the time you listen to this.
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Over the course of the next year, the US has to refinance nearly $9 trillion of debt. Reason being, outstanding treasuries are maturing, so they need to be rolled over to a new rate. When a lot of these treasuries were issued, interest rates were close to zero. Today, the 10-year treasury yield is over 4%, and every single basis point adds billions in interest.
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Because remember, for us, treasuries are an investment. But for the government, treasuries are loans and therefore part of the national debt. So if yields on treasuries went down, that would benefit the government and curb the debt. This is critical. Famed investor Ray Dalio says that if yields don't go down, we could have a sovereign debt crisis like Greece in 2008. We all remember this.
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After years of excessive government spending, chronic budget deficits, and structural economic weaknesses, investors lost confidence in Greece's ability to repay its debts. By 2010, Greece was effectively shut out of international credit markets and required multiple bailouts from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.
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In exchange, Greece had to implement harsh austerity measures like tax cuts and public sector cuts, which deepened the country's recession, led to widespread unemployment and sparked massive public protests. Greece has made significant progress since the height of its debt crisis, but its recovery is still very much a work in progress.
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Greece has exited its bailout programs, returned to the international bond markets, and is seeing positive GDP growth again. In 2023, the country's unemployment rate, once over 27%, has fallen to around 10%. Not amazing, but definitely better than 27%. That said, the scars of the crisis remain.
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Greece still carries one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in the EU, over 160%, though much of that debt is long-term and held by EU institutions under favorable terms. Wages and pensions remain lower than pre-crisis levels and structural issues like an aging population and a relatively small industrial base continue to challenge long-term growth.
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So yes, Greece has recovered from the crisis in the sense that the economy is Not a disaster. It is stable. The markets are functioning and investor confidence has returned somewhat. But there's still a long road ahead to full economic resilience. And we do not want to be on that road. I never, ever want to see the United States at a 27% unemployment rate ever.
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So our current treasury rates pose a problem. And to help our debt crisis, we need to get yields down. There are two ways generally that yields go down. First, people flock to bonds. And when there's more buying activity, the prices go up and the yields go down. You've heard my seesaw metaphor on bonds before, so you know the drill. It's basically supply and demand.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
Interestingly, we usually see yields go down when stocks crash. That happens because after a market dip, we typically see a flight to safety. Investors scramble toward bonds, prices go up, yields go down. So that's the trend normally. And obviously we just saw stocks crash, and yet yields are up.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
The best explanation I've heard is that investors during this most recent dip sold a lot of bonds to cover losses in stocks, and that's why yields have gone up and not down. But anyway, method one is for yields to go down, people flock to bonds, and method two is for the Fed to lower rates. That's where tariffs come in. Yes, they spike inflation in the short term, but they also choke growth.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
And a slower economy pressures the Federal Reserve to cut rates. That's what happened after the COVID crash. So let's rewind the tape. Remember when President Trump said that he'd demand the Fed lower interest rates? Well, he can't actually tell the Fed what to do, but he can try to force their hand.
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So some think he's engineering market panic on purpose, using tariffs as a weapon to pressure the Fed. And if he were, would he ever admit that? Of course he wouldn't. That would ruin the plan. This isn't just economic chaos. It's a high stakes game of chicken between the president and the Fed. Will Powell cut rates first or will Trump fold on tariffs? This isn't a trade war.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
It's really a yield war. And your wallet is in the middle. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Please watch the bond market. If yields keep climbing, that refinancing problem gets worse.
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Second thing to keep your eye on signals from the Fed and not to toot my own horn, but I'm going to help you with that because in a couple of weeks, I'm going to have Austin Goolsbee of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago on money rehab right before the next Fed session to help you understand what you can expect when the Fed makes its next announcement.
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It's Not a Trade War— It's a Yield War. Here's Why That Matters
Any hint of rate cuts could send markets into another tailspin or another sugar high. And lastly, keep an eye on China. If they escalate, President Trump might too. And then we are right back where we started. When you give a mouse a cookie. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy.
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You have been for a long time, but you have feelings about the company, the board in particular. So the brother is some of your beef, the brother being on the board. What else? Why did you originally invest? And, you know, the stock is down tremendously this month, this year since Elon went into Doge. How does all of this make you feel?
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Most of us do not use that power. And while we're sitting it out, someone else is stepping in. And they're using shareholder activism not to boost company performance, but to push political agendas.
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Neuralink.
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And we like what can you really compel? What can shareholders compel Elon to do?
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
So basically, you're quoting Mr. Sinclair and saying that she, Robin Denholm, the chair of Tesla's board, $682 million in cash in stock is her pay package. She's paid way too much. Elon owns 13% of Tesla, which is a big portion at that point in the game. So you definitely think she you're basically saying she has conflict of interest. She's paid way too much. So who has. Yeah.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Right now, Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffett's company, one of the biggest and most stable in the world, is being targeted by what some experts are calling extremist proposals from far-right activist groups. If they succeed, it could completely change what corporate America is for. Are companies supposed to make money or take sides in a culture war?
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There's a ton of those.
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Yeah. So Mike Lindell, just for our listeners, that's the MyPillow guy.
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OK, but what I'm assuming you voted against Elon's pay package or did you sell your stock?
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I'm assuming gladly against.
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And I want to pay package Robbins.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
But what would you say to the devil's advocate point of view that he earned that pay package because he had all these milestones that he priorly that he outlined prior and that once he hit those milestones, then shareholders would obviously get more. So if I said to you, hey, now I'm going to you know, I'm going to create a million dollars of value for this one episode.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
And if I do that, then I'm going to give you a percentage of it. But if I don't do that, then like we we we get nothing.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Today, I'm joined by Nell Minow, one of the leading voices on corporate governance and someone who's been inside these battles for decades now. She'll tell us what shareholder activism should be, what it's becoming, and why your retirement account is more powerful than you think. Plus, Nell is a Tesla investor and has been very vocal about her thoughts on Elon. We'll get to that, too.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Yeah. you know milestones right and he's like just in the off chance that like I hit this number then we'll all get paid and then nobody thought he would and then he did
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Well, I mean, 13% of Tesla. And by the way, he's not the founder of Tesla. People think he is. Just as a reminder, I know you know this.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
He totally did. And 13%, an appreciation in that 13% of the company would be many, many billions of dollars anyway, which is, I think, what you're saying. He doesn't need a comp structure if he's incentivized as an equity holder. He calls himself the product architect of Tesla and the CEO. He was the founder, I should mention, of that little space company of SpaceX.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
We have a lot to cover, so let's get started. Nell Minow, welcome to Money Rehab. Thank you. I'm very happy to be here. Very happy to have you here during shareholder activism season. I don't know if that's a season, but it feels that way.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
I love that. I love that for us. Okay, so let's talk about where Tesla might be going. You're not a shareholder anymore. I kept 20 shares. Just 20.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Okay. So they got the current price per share. You're at a few thousand bucks. Yeah. Okay. So where do you think the company is going? Cathie Wood, for those who don't realize who Cathie Wood is, major investor. She's so confident in Tesla right now. We did stories about her saying that it's going to hit $2,000 a share. Do you think that's in the realm of possibility?
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Can companies block shareholder activists from buying shares? From buying shares? No.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Nope. We had heard that there could be people at companies that are monitoring activists buying. Could they be monitoring it, filing any complaints with the SEC or otherwise to try and scoot them out?
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
And a company can't force a shareholder to sell their shares.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
And you're saying that that money obviously should be used for more important things at the company.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
He didn't need it.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
And oh, I didn't I didn't know that part of the story. This was the beginning of like the where he found his fortune.
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Like how much are we talking about here? Many, many, many millions of dollars.
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Yeah. I mean, capitalism is all fun and games when you're the one that's winning. We saw this with GameStop, which is a different story.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
Yeah, I mean, you don't have to be a big shareholder even to ask a question or to be part of a company meeting. You can have one share and have a voice, have a vote.
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Can you just put this into context historically? What is shareholder activism and what are the common forms that you have seen and are seeing now?
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Oh, for any company? Yeah. So how does that work? If you're pissed about something like legit, not, you know, an IT type of issue, you mentioned a DEI policy or climate policy, you know, these are some of the buzzy things right now, or pay packages, and we'll get into Tesla, of course. What do you do if you're pissed about something and you own 2000 bucks?
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
So to summarize, basically, shareholder activism is a fancy way of describing influencing a company you're invested in. And maybe somebody saw like the Carl Icahn documentary that was out there. He's one of the famous activist investors.
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Well, so you mentioned pay plans, and I'm assuming you're alluding to Elon's pay package as one of the things that has been up in the news lately. That's maybe how some people think about shareholder activism, because, you know, if anyone listening has Tesla shares, they might remember last year we had the opportunity to vote on Elon's pay package.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
So shareholder voting is, of course, one way that you can play a role in a direction of a company. I would love to double click, maybe triple click on Tesla for a second. But I want to really caution that shareholder activism sounds like a euphemism, like who doesn't want to be an activist? activist. Right.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
But like the finance world is so full of this type of stuff, like overdraft protection is not always protection, for instance. Right. So it sounds like a good thing or a great thing, but it isn't always. You mentioned, you know, the icons of the world being called raiders, like a hostile takeover as a form of shareholder activism, too.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
And Berkshire is right now being targeted by three extremist right wing shareholder proposals. Can you explain what's going on here? Because I think everybody just loves talking about Warren.
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So basically, those three shareholder proposals are to take over the company.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
So they really don't have as much. bite as they have Mark, but you know, like the icons of the world could buy a bunch more.
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I had no idea. Seriously? Which boards? Do you remember?
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And what's the percentage of the time that they actually listen?
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Oh, OK. Now you tell him who has more power, in your opinion, the shareholders of the board.
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So there's a lot of pressure that you can put on a company, but they don't have to do anything. You say even if you own more than $2,000, if you own hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars of a stock.
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Demystifying Shareholder Activism and Why Some Investors Are Mad at Elon
All right, let's go. Should we put a pin in Warren and Berkshire and just go over to Elon now?
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So much with Tesla. Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. So I just went to the grocery store and I actually flinched at the cost of eggs. And I don't even really eat eggs. That's how bad it is. Everything feels more expensive. And so I'm hearing from a lot of money rehabbers right now that their credit cards are getting a lot of exercise right now.
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Companies like Berkshire Hathaway or Tesla, or maybe you're even invested into them directly. And that means you have the power over how these companies make decisions. Yes, you can vote on what these companies do, who runs them, and how they spend your money. Even if you're a fund investor, there's a growing trend toward pass-through or proxy voting. But here's the thing.
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You know, there was this one time before I did my own money rehab when I checked my credit score and I realized I had no idea what it actually meant for my financial future. That's when it hit me. It was time to get serious about my money. We've all had that moment, right?
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The next common mistake you say is behavioral biases. These are investing decisions based on emotion, which sound like an obvious error we would never, ever make, right? We know about panic selling. Don't panic sell. But that's not the only emotional kind of bias we have. Buying into trends that maybe your favorite celebrity has, that's an emotional bias too.
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You say a way to avoid this is to write an investment policy statement. I love that. What does that look like and why is that helpful?
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Yeah, you fall in love with your investments. You're like, I'm on the team. I want them to do well. And the recency bias is so real. I saw it last weekend with my husband. He's a diehard Commanders fan. And they'd been on a winning streak. And they just lost the game to the Eagles. And he was so upset. And I'm like... Honey, they've lost for years. Did you forget that?
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And now they've been winning. And he's like, I know, but they just lost this last time. And we forget. We have this sort of amnesia around especially things we love. And then we get into that echo chamber. So I think it's really important to... Be aware of those biases and try to detach yourself from that emotional draw. It's really hard, though. I'm sure you've fallen in love with a stock or two.
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So we're leaving those five things behind in 2024, Peter. Is there anything we should make sure we prioritize for 2025 specifically? You mentioned the election and our biases that potentially we fall into an echo chamber of news. With the recent election, is there anything that we should specifically prioritize or keep in mind for the next year?
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Yeah, we can't predict the future. If we could, we would be in a different industry, I think. But are there any economic changes that the financial industry you think is going to go through under this new administration and anything we can do to prepare for that now or just continue to stay the course?
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Oh, my gosh. So fun to watch. Elon in the White House with the doge that they're calling it, the doge department or something. So fun to watch. And I think people are feeling, though, that there's this idea of a vibe session, that we're not in a recession, but somehow it feels that way. And yet the market is up and all these economic indicators, unemployment is low. What do you make of that?
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How people feel versus what the numbers are?
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Yeah, it's like it's a tale of two economic stories. And I think the idea of inflation is important to keep in mind that we don't want prices necessarily to go down from where they are here because that would be deflationary. So what should people keep in mind about prices moving forward with the power of inflation? And why do we sometimes need inflation?
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Peter, I'm excited to talk about the entire Goldilocks saga as it plays out with you with more of these episodes in 2025 to help listeners accomplish all of their financial goals for the new year and keep the motivation going all year long.
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For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you're finally ready to make 2025 the year you make a plan for your financial future, go to creativeplanning.com. That's where you can fill out a form to schedule a free 15-minute conversation with a member of the creative planning team who can talk to you about your needs and financial dreams and connect you with a wealth manager.
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oh hey there money rehabbers i told you you'd be hearing from me while i'm on maternity leave so as 2024 comes to a close i wanted to give you a little jet fuel to help propel your financial goals for 2025 and what you're about to hear is exactly that today you're going to hear a new conversation between me and financial rock star peter malouk peter is the president and ceo of creative planning an award-winning wealth management and investment advisory firm with over 300 billion dollars yes with a b of assets under management or advisement
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Take the first step toward the financial future you want at creativeplanning.com. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
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So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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You guys know Peter. He's been on the show before and is truly one of the smartest people I know in the industry. I am such a fan of Peter's and the work that he and his team do that I wanted to combine forces and do even more together to help money rehabbers with their financial goals.
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So I joined Creative Planning as a financial education advocate, and Peter will be sharing his expertise on money rehab every quarter-ish to answer the questions that matter most to you on your wealth-growing journey.
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Today, you're going to hear Peter share the best ways to make your financial resolutions stick and the common mistakes that investors make that you should definitely leave behind in 2024. And if you need help putting together a strategy for your financial goals in 2025, I recommend, of course, Creative Planning. You can set up a 15-minute consultation call at creativeplanning.com slash Nicole.
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Now, here's Peter. Peter Malouk, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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So last time we spoke, I was just Creative Planning's biggest fan. Now I'm a member of the team. So excited. So thrilled to be working with you.
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Thank you. I'm so happy to be talking to you right now because it's the end of the year. It's the time, as you know, people start making all of their New Year's resolutions. So many people, 61%, make money-related resolutions. But honestly, New Year's resolutions often get abandoned. What do you think the secret is to making some of the goals truly actionable?
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Yeah. And I think that sometimes people come up with really lofty goals. Hey, Nicole. Hey, Peter. Just want to be a millionaire this year. And that's great. Having seven figures in your bank account or your brokerage account, hopefully more your brokerage account is an amazing big goal. But don't you think sometimes people need to make those bridge goals, mini goals to get to the finish line?
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Yeah. How do you eat a millionaire elephant? One bite at a time. So Peter, we obviously want to help people make their 2025 the best financial year yet. One way to do that is by leaving behind financial myths that don't work. And I think we all have some. We've been told a lot of financial so-called truisms over the years.
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One of my favorite of your many books is The Five Mistakes Every Investor Makes and How to Avoid Them. I would love to go through these with listeners so they can leave some of these mistakes back in 2024. The first one you mentioned is market timing. You mentioned time just a second ago and how to break down $500 to get to a million dollars. But market timing is something else.
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Trying to predict these highs and lows is sometimes a problem that people fall into. Why do you think that is?
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Yeah, because just like Chipotle or a ticket to Disney World might be at the all-time high when you look at the market and you're like, oh, this is an all-time high. I know you buy low and sell high. So we're at a high. But if you zoom out five years from now, then that high might actually be below. And so we don't know where we are.
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So time in the market, as we've said before on the show, is better than timing the market. What do you think people should do to safeguard themselves from themselves and their emotional decisions?
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The next one you say is active trading. You say newbie investors shouldn't constantly buy and sell stocks to make a quick profit. Why is that a mistake? And can you clarify trading versus investing?
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Yeah, and I think it's an important point to say that when you're doing that, sometimes you're not putting that money to work. So you're missing out on the value, the beautiful, amazing force of compound interest over time. So would you say limit your trading potentially to rebalancing your portfolio or responding to some significant changes in your own personal financial situation?
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The next one I found super interesting too, and so important, it's misunderstanding performance. You see investors chasing these hot investments all the time without understanding underlying risks. You talk about metrics that people should keep an eye out for. Which are the ones that are often misunderstood? Yeah.
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Yeah, we've never not recovered from a single recession or depression in US history. So keep that in mind. Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
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Are there any of the metrics that people should keep an eye out for?
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Yeah. And so you come up with these three numbers, so a high one and middle one and a lower one.
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So PTO. Yes. Or transportation.
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Expense account.
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But you're already gonna get it.
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So do they have to tell you what kind of bereavement leave you might get?
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As someone who's about to have a baby girl, asking for paid time off to have a family or for IVF, I've seen women ask for that, which is great as a perk. What's the best way to ask? Because you're also basically telling your new employer that I'm going to take time off to have kids. Right.
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But let's get uncomfortable. Let's get even more uncomfortable. I mean, I've struggled with how to tell different people I work with about being pregnant or what is that going to connote for how I can work later in this year or how much time am I going to take off? I still don't fully know the answer to that question.
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But how do you approach that in the right way where you're showing an employer that you are all in, but you also are transparent about your life?
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I've heard a lot of HR managers say they're seeing more and more people ask for signing bonuses to get the seller to where they want it to be. What do you think about that and how's the best way to approach a signing bonus?
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Let's double click on where these budgets come from, because I think that's important. And also tax treatments might be different or more advantageous to a company if it's framed as a signing bonus versus like on payroll tax or something like that. How should you be thinking through that?
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But just keep in mind generally that there could be different budgets or it could be advantageous for them to pay out expenses that you consider a perk. So it's not just negative on their part and positive on your part. It could be a win-win if you keep that in mind, that budgets, taxes, all those other considerations.
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What's your biggest pet peeve that people say? Like, I deserve a raise. Sigh.
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And you don't have to be so ravenous out of the gate. There are opportunities for some of these perks in particular while you're working there.
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Sure. Yeah. So I'll be the HR hiring manager. Okay. HR representative hiring manager. I don't know. Okay. So hi, Claire. What did you put time on my calendar to talk about?
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Yeah. Let's get on the same page.
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You can laugh about it. Be like, I know I'm overdoing it. I think the PowerPoint is great. You do PowerPoints for a lot of different projects in your actual job. You should do it for yourself. Yeah.
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Claire Wasserman, welcome to Money Rehab. I'm so excited to be here. So let's talk about blocking and tackling for getting ladies paid.
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I'd love to do a little role play. But first, let's just talk about like when to ask, how to ask, why to ask.
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Is that right, Claire? Yes. What are you thinking?
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Yeah, I think that number is really high. I'm going to have to ask.
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Well, we've had hard times, and we've even had to lay people off, and just the general economy is not great right now. So it's going to be a general hard sell. I think that management just wants to buckle down and get through this. Hard time. Yeah, no, I totally understand. But values you so much. Oh, that means a lot.
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These are really great questions, probably above my pay grade, but I will investigate. Is that the presentation that you brought?
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Yeah, putting yourself in the shoes of what they're dealing with, like making money. If you show me that you're making me more money, then I will give you more money.
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Yeah, that's why I don't have any employees.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more money rehab.
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Yeah, thank you, sir, wherever you are. But it sounds like that was just the catalyst for something that had been brewing for a really long time.
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And how do you find them?
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Where do we start? I mean, when you were in the bathroom treating lipstick and business cards, did you talk about how much you guys got paid for this? Oh, no, no, no. Didn't get paid.
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I mean, yes, it's a tool, but also money has a lot of trauma and energy with it. Did you grow up in a scarcity or abundance mindset? Like where did this come from?
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Well, I think a lot of women feel that way.
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Like this general scarcity mindset might come from the avoidant mindset more so than an abundance mindset because you're just not talking about it at all. And so, you know, I think women default to this idea that it's worse than it is or there's not going to be enough.
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Truth, sister. It is. It really comes from these memories that either we've suppressed or we haven't thought about or connected those dots. I remember when I had this aha moment that I used to have to turn off the lights when I left the room to save money on power or only flush the toilet when it was number two to save money on utilities growing up.
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And then I remember noticing as an adult that I would leave all the lights on. Oh, as like an act of rebellion?
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So my partner was like, can we turn off the lights?
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And it dawned on me that I was like, no, I can now afford as much electricity as I want. And so I'm going to leave all the lights on. And you could say I was being careless or something like that. Or you could sort of peel back the onion and say, this came from this really deep, crazy place that I never explored or connected those dots.
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Totally. And it's, you know, it's constant. work and practice like you know you don't go to the gym get ripped and then never go to the gym again right only a lifetime of good habits will counteract that lifetime of bad habits that i had that i didn't know or we just watched what we were shown by our parents when they watch what they were shown by their parents.
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And this generational trauma is super real around money. So I'm glad that you're connecting those dots.
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Damn, behavioral finance masters for the win. You're such a delight and so smart. I know your stuff and I love your mission. You're also helping us here at Money Rehab. Yay, I'm so excited. So excited. I'm going to be passing the mic to very, very good, capable, small but mighty hands. Yes. Yay.
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And one of the first steps is, I call it the mean girl inside your head, to take a seat. Yeah, I say thought monster, yeah. She's so mean to me sometimes.
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As I pass the torch to you, what is one tip that listeners can take straight to the bank? You gave us so many already.
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Making money looks good on you.
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I know we should make a shirt. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
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So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Yeah, desperate vibes.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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And what's the best time to ask? So I guess two parts. First, when you're getting an offer, so you're just starting.
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And so how do you come up with that number like a Goldilocks? Just right. Not too much, not too little. Or do you come up with, you know, a bump in base salary and some other comp perks?
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But we had Bo's St. John on the show, and she said throw out an outrageous number because you'll never get there.
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I mean, it's harder to do it in person when you're sitting across from somebody than it is to ignore email or like ignore email by accident.
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Yes, please. I'll take two glasses. It's fine. Nothing makes me want to frown more than some guy telling me to smile. When you say it, it's lovely.
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And then maybe it can be a little fun. Yeah. What are some of the drawbacks of aiming too high? So like if you go in when you're first getting an offer.
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So I just went to the grocery store and I actually flinched at the cost of eggs. And I don't even really eat eggs. That's how bad it is. Everything feels more expensive. And so I'm hearing from a lot of money rehabbers right now that their credit cards are getting a lot of exercise right now. But the last thing I want for any of you is to go into credit card debt. Enter Chime Credit Builder Card.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab. Are there other opportunities right now in this market that you're seeing of things that are legitimately on sale? So when we talk about on sale, we talk about high quality investments being down, not the things that are probably not going to come back up.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Yeah. I'm trying to glean, though, from your strategy, whether or not you think we're recession bound or not.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Is it harder to hedge because of that? Because, you know, as you said, when the VIX gets cuckoo high crazy, you want to cover some of your hedges. Right.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Can you talk to a new options investor who might be exploring puts and calls and all the fun right now?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Although we did see that crazy trade of somebody with zero day SPY.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Let's talk about the value of the dollar. I think this is not getting as much attention. It's fallen by about 8% this year, recently trading near three-year lows. Can you help us understand why this is happening?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. So I feel like the story this week is less about the moment-to-moment headlines like it was last week, and instead looking ahead to settling down into this new normal.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
So let's recap, because I think this is really important. Typically. In the textbook world, stocks go down. Bonds go down. Yields go down.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
It's like a seesaw. And then the dollar goes up.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
But now we saw stocks down, bond yields up, dollar down. I mean, the stocks down is sort of the constant, but the way that bonds reacted and the way the dollar reacted was really weird.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Yeah, I mean, it makes sense, right? If you're issuing that much debt. And when we talk about the U.S. being in debt, it comes from our treasuries selling the U.S. debt in the form of treasuries. Other countries buy that. And so when you're issuing that debt, every basis point, so fraction of a percent, Matt, are billions of dollars. Right. Yeah.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
So the system was broken. The seesaw was broken. And then really just underlying why the falling dollar matters right now, it's kind of a silent tax, right?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
But yeah, the dollar isn't currency. It's this confidence idea, right? When it falls, the world starts looking for a new safe haven. Yes, right. Sterling or the pound or euro.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
FX just being in foreign exchange. Foreign exchange, right. Currency stuff.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
No, it's a weird language. It's great to learn. In this finance world. Yes, it's good to learn. all the financial news cycle. Of course, there's a lot of other stories happening and unfolding and evolving as well. What's something that you think has been overshadowed by all the tariff news that we should keep our eye on? Oh, that is a good question.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Nothing happened this week that was as crazy as what went down last week, for sure. I mean, we don't have any tweets moving trillions of dollars to discuss today. So we can kind of take a deep breath and talk about how to adapt to the economic conditions that seem to be staying here for a while, whether it's six weeks or six months.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Because I feel like it's like a shiny object thing, right? Yeah, right. People can get away with some weird stuff because nobody's really paying attention.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Right.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab. We thought that this would be like the go-go days again of fundraising and IPOs, but we've seen a big dry up there.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
To help me do that, I'm joined by Karen Finerman, one of my favorites. She is the co-founder and CEO of a New York-based hedge fund, Metropolitan Capital Advisors, and has been a panelist on CNBC's Fast Money since day one, literally. She's also the host of the podcast How She Does It, conversations with powerful women about how they're embracing challenges and managing success.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
In your picks and your carved city was for the, it stood, the C stood for city. That's been down 10% though. Yeah. How are the financials?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
I don't know.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
I love a kerfuffle. Okay.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
He's kind of a folksy man.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Yes, but not any day soon. Let's hope not. A lot of life left in it. Yeah. So when we talk about things being on sale, would you say things being on sale that are high quality investments, would you say that the financials would be one? And if you're sort of new to this space, there are a lot of ETFs. Right. Yeah. That combine a bunch of these banks together.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
both personally and professionally. So today we talk about the value of the dollar, the opportunities and challenges with all the tariff chaos, and Karen's best performing stock pick of 2025. Here's our conversation. Karen Feinerman, welcome to Money Rehab. Nicole, thank you for having me. So good to reconnect.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
But I kind of feel like if Bank of America goes away, like just because it's called Bank of America, zombie apocalypse problems.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
It is. We end our episodes, Karen, by asking all of our guests for a tip that listeners can take straight to the bank today. You gave us so many already about how to navigate this market and just try to not get too scared. Right. Not get too tired either. You need a nap, sister.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Normally we kick off our interviews by getting straight into the headlines, but in this economy, it just feels important to ask how you're doing.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Don't listen to her. Sometimes she takes bad direction. It could be about personal relationships. It could be about stuff. Just always check your gut.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Are you monitoring Twitter for monumental potential tweet?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
So can you give us a sense of the VIX? We've been hearing a lot in the news lately. So when you say that the VIX is high around 50, what is it normally? And then you say that you look to cover some hedges. What do you mean by that?
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Well, unless you're a long investor, like betting on the future, holding onto your investments for a long period of time, not trying to bet against the market. So when you say you see blood on the streets, including yours, what kind of blood have you been shedding? I hate saying that. I don't want you to shed blood.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Yeah. You had right at the beginning of the year, you shared the stocks that you were looking at for 2025. Yep. The acronym was CARB, which is making me hungry, but it was, right? Citi, Alibaba, United Rentals, Boeing, Energy, and Dell.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
How do you feel about those picks moving into the second half of the year with everything we've seen in January?
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
With the success of your Alibaba pick, are you looking to double down more on Chinese DTC companies?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Have you looked at anything else or does anything else?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Does it worry you what's going on with the de minimis exemption? I'm assuming you've been following this being sunset for Chinese products next month.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Because there's this big push, especially on TikTok right now. And we did an episode about how Chinese companies are now trying to market to individual Americans to buy directly and skirt around the tariff stuff. I mean, I'm my, I don't know if you know, but my house burned down in the LA fire.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
I did. Yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thank you. You're the best. It's only recently that we found a new place to move into and I need to buy everything. And so I was looking at Alibaba and I was like, oh, my gosh, is this something that I can do directly? You can and not pay the tariffs.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
I actually, I don't know. I think it's really interesting to see what's happening with the Chinese companies that are trying to take the tariff news and, you know, spin it or sell their knockoffs or God knows what. Do you have any thought about what's going to happen?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Are you seeing, well, so let me go back. I'm assuming you're not surprised by LVMH then tanking or the luxury sector.
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Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
That's interesting. I mean, what's tricky to understand is when a company is on sale or it's just not good. So if you're looking at some high quality investments, maybe on sale, we love a sale, but what about the LVMHs of the world?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Why the Dollar is Slipping and Navigating What’s Actually Moving Markets with Karen Finerman
Yeah. It seems like one of these things is not like the other because they're the parent company of YSL, Gucci, Balenciaga, Bottega, Alexander McQueen, CIA? Yeah.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Okay, that's great. And who would you like to have these conversations with?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
And what's holding you back?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Yeah, I mean, I get that money is so personal. Money without meaning is just paper, but we often put a lot of meaning behind this stuff. So basically, you feel like you're spending more money than you have budgeted for because of this pressure. Is that right?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Have you ever had a friendship breakup because of money?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
And did you guys have a conversation about that?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Well, let me ask you, have you ever had a conversation about money with a friend?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
What do you actually think is the worst thing that could happen if you start having more conversations with your loved ones about money? And here's why I ask. There's this principle of stoicism that says we suffer more in imagination than in reality. So I do think it's important to picture the worst case scenario because it's probably not that bad.
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Most of us will talk about anything, anything before we talk about money. It's literally in the description of my show because this blows my mind. Most of my friends would rather cover truly anything before money.
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Let me just say, more people struggle with this than you think. According to a survey from Bank of America, almost three in five millennials slash Gen Zers have drifted apart from a friend due to financial reasons. But I think there are strategies that you can put into place to protect your friendships and your wallets. But first, I have to ask, do you actually like these people?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
They sound kind of judgy.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Okay, I get it. But I just want to say money is a tool that can unlock opportunities for you. But it's not a character trait. It's not like being a good friend or being kind. If you don't have as many zeros in your bank account as you want, that's something we could definitely work on. But it doesn't make you any less worthy of being an amazing friend and having amazing friends.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So when I was a news anchor interviewing all of these successful entrepreneurs, I was surrounded by people who had a lot more money than I did. And what I started to do was just be the planner of the group. So I would take on the role of pitching what we could all do as an activity together. And I would pick things that had a fixed cost that I knew I could afford.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Body stuff, embarrassing moments, crazy bad first dates, anything. But these conversations are so important because there's a lot to learn from the people around us, and in some cases, a lot to avoid. This is another episode I teamed up with Bank of America on because we both believe that talking to loved ones about money is essential and we want to make it easier.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So going out to dinner, not a fixed cost. Your friends could keep balling out, getting bottles, and then try to split the bill. So for me, I planned a lot of classes. The weirder, the better. We did exercise classes. We did... axe throwing classes. We did a cooking class. These were things that had a price of admission. So I picked things that I could afford.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So that's just one strategy you could take on. But in terms of making yourself more comfortable about talking money, I'd start with something that feels less personal and less close to the group. For me, rent was a biggie. When I was in my 20s, I moved to New York. I had a zillion questions about how much I should spend on rent.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
But I was really anxious that if I asked budgeting questions, my new friends would judge me for being cheap. But once I got the courage to start asking friends about it, they were so relieved that I had said something because they had their own questions that they wanted to ask as well about rent and money and all the things.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
What I've learned throughout my journey of getting more comfortable talking about money is that people will open up to you if you open up to them first. So when I'm talking to somebody about money for the very first time, I will go first. I will be the one to start. Like way back when, when I had those questions about renting in New York, I said, look, I am new here. I am touring apartments.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
I am seeing one bedroom apartments for $2,500 in Manhattan. Am I going to find something better? And from there, I started having great conversations with my friends about how much they were paying, how much of their salaries they were budgeting for rent. And it took me opening up the door just a crack for all of this great conversation to come through.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Do you feel like you could do that?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
If you're trying to feel more comfortable, I wouldn't start by asking how much they make or if they're in debt and by how much. You don't want it to feel like an interrogation. You could start with something small, like you're looking for advice on asking for a raise. People love getting asked for advice. They think they're so smart.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So I think that you'd find something like that would be received really well.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
I really do think that as difficult as these conversations seem now, it is easier with practice. So once you start having some of these easier conversations about money that are in more comfortable territory, it will feel less intimidating to tell them that you want to keep a tighter budget when you guys hang out. How does that sound?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So because practice makes better, let's do a little role play. You be you and I'll be one of your friends. And let's just rehearse what a conversation about budgeting would look like. Cool?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Hey Liam, we're planning this awesome trip to Greece. Are you in?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Amazing. I'm going to book this hotel. It's $1,000 per night per person.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Yeah, that's great. And what I would do is suggest something that's in your budget so that you can make it easy for them to say yes. And then you feel like you're not creating a problem. You're actually finding a solution that works for everyone. And it doesn't have to be that serious. If it makes you anxious to say you can't afford it, you don't have to say that.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
You could just say, I bet we could find something that's more in the $150 per night range. I actually found this great Airbnb. Doesn't this look like fun? I mean, how about something like that?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Today's money rehabber breaks out into a cold sweat whenever he talks to his friends about money. And sometimes that costs him. Today we'll go through strategies that will make these conversations easier. So let's get started. Liam, welcome to Money Rehab. So what's on your mind?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So just to recap, you're going to start to talk to your friends about money in ways that are less personal. So talking about raises, talking about investing bonus points if you ask them for their advice. And then once you get more comfortable, start putting some guardrails up.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
But until you feel more comfortable in having a general conversation about money, try to be the planner of the group and steer them toward a fixed cost activity. How does that sound?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
So how do you feel about this plan?
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Seeking out professional guidance from a trusted professional, such as a Merrill Financial Solutions Advisor, is another resource that can help make these conversations easier.
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Not only is a Financial Solutions Advisor able to provide clients with advice for your goals and helping you determine strategies, but it's also someone you can talk to about money who isn't part of your personal life. And practicing money talk with someone that holds that kind of distance helps to make it easier when you're having these conversations with someone you're close to.
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Talking About Money Stresses Me Out. Can It Get Easier? (Listener Intervention)
First of all, this is so, so common. Talking about money can be really uncomfortable. I definitely felt that way once upon a time. It's been really empowering to be able to speak the language of money with anyone, family, friends, business partners, romantic partners. Who do you talk to about money right now?
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You know, there was this one time before I did my own money rehab when I checked my credit score and I realized I had no idea what it actually meant for my financial future. That's when it hit me. It was time to get serious about my money. We've all had that moment, right?
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
However cliche it is, and I think you guys know that I am very allergic to cliches, I think we've all had moments where we've thought to ourselves, gosh, I wish money did grow on trees. Unfortunately, we don't have the science to make that happen just yet, but we do have something pretty close. And I think it will make Truman happy who submitted this listener question.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
Well, Truman, you have come to the right place for some secret money hacks. I am about to blow your mind. This is the stuff that when I tell folks, they think it's too good to be true, but it is not. So what is unclaimed money, you ask? Basically, it's money on paper that belongs to someone or that someone is entitled to, but they haven't scooped it up just yet.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
It's actually very common, and there are billions, with a B, dollars of unclaimed money in the United States. And, sir, you could be one of them. Here are the six places you can find some unclaimed money. Number one. Your state. If a bank, insurance company, or even state government owes you money and can't track you down, they send your money to the state's unclaimed property office.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
This is actually really common. In a lot of cases, it happens when someone moves out of state and there's an issue with the forwarding address. It's happened to me. I've lived in 10 cities in the last 20 years and a bunch of different apartments in those cities. So the money trail often does get lost in the void. To see if this is your lucky day, check out usa.gov slash unclaimed dash money.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
Number two, your paycheck. If you left a job in the middle of a pay period, or you left a job with some unclaimed vacation days owed to you, or if you worked for an employer that broke a labor law, you could be owed money. You can find out if you have money owed to you at this amazing website. They do not pay me to say this. This is not a hashtag ad, but I do love unclaimed.com.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
I have found my own money on there. It is genius. Please mosey on over there. We will link this in the show notes and also on our Instagram page, but I would bookmark it, honestly, if I were you. You could also go to the US Department of Labor website. They have a database of workers who have money waiting to be claimed.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
The DOL, that is Department of Labor for short, holds unpaid wages for up to three years. So get it done today. You don't want that to expire. Number three, a savings bond. I have heard this story a million times. Remember when you were really little and you wanted that shiny bike or whatever, but grandpa gave you that savings bond and you just wanted to rip it up right then and there.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
And then your mom or whoever put it in a shoebox and said, you should keep this forever and you'll appreciate when you're old enough, right? You're thinking, yeah, whatever happened to that savings bond? Well, if that savings bond has matured, you may finally be able to get that bike and then some. This is also a very cool website. It is treasuryhunt.gov.
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You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
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You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
Seriously, it's like a little treasure hunt for your own money. You can see if you have a bond that has stopped earning interest that you can now Cash in. Don't forget, if you're under 18, the bond may be under your parents' name, so check that too. Number four, a tax refund.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
There may have been a time where you didn't think you needed to fill out a tax return because you didn't reach a certain level of income just yet. But that doesn't mean you didn't necessarily get a refund. Go to the IRS website, irs.gov, to see if you have any unclaimed tax return moolah. Number five, a utility deposit.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
This may or may not surprise you, depending on which kinds of landlords you've had on your housing journey, but not every landlord is itching to give you back your security deposit. I've talked to a lot of people who didn't think about their security deposit once they moved out. You know, there's a lot of... hoopla when you're moving. But now is the time, my friends.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
Go back and check your bank statement to see if you ever got that security deposit back and start teeing up a follow-up email to your old landlord because I'm sure he or she misses you fondly. Number six, class action lawsuits. You know, we've all seen those ads for class action lawsuits or maybe even received random emails.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
The ads normally broadcast in the dead of night and are usually for some sort of vaginal mesh issue or... You know, those casually exploding Samsung phones. But there are actually a ton of active class action lawsuits right now across a wide range of industries, and you may be eligible to cash in on a settlement.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
Check out classaction.org slash database to see if you have any ongoing suits that you could be part of. If you're driving or you're out and about, don't worry. Check the show notes. Check our Instagram page at Money Rehab Show for all of these lovely links. Like I said, finding unclaimed money is common, and these tips are very real. They have legit worked for me in the past.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
And here is one of our producers also putting it to the test.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
or even too complicated if, say, you want to put your summer home in Maine on Airbnb, but you live full-time in San Francisco and you can't go to Maine every time you need to change sheets for your guests or something like that. If thoughts like these have been holding you back, I have great news for you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. Do as our amazing producer did. And as I said, go to unclaimed.org right now. That is honestly the best place to start to try and find some of your buried treasure. And that's it for today's episode. I'll see you here tomorrow for some more Money Rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
But in the meantime, don't do anything with your money I wouldn't do, even if you find more of it tonight. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Lavoie. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
So email us your money questions, moneyrehabatmoneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
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You May Have Missing Money... Here's How to Find It!
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
It's me talking about public again, obviously. Are you surprised? It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible.
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
It's a leaky bucket. Yeah. And if you I think a dream without a plan is just a wish and wishes are amazing, but they don't pay the bills. And so I think that I have a T-shirt with that somewhere. That's dope. But right. If you if you say I just want a million dollars, Nicole and Brandon, the question is, what do you want to do with that million dollars? I don't know.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Like maybe you need more than a million dollars. Maybe you need less than a million dollars. You figure out the life you want and then reverse engineer to get the money to live that life, not just an arbitrary number that you think sounds really good. Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
In your book, Your Money Playbook, you talk about four financial strategies. I want to double click on the fourth one, which is the promise of legacy. So unpacking topics like insurance, wills, estate planning. Do you and your wife talk about estate planning and will? Like, it's not a fun, sexy conversation, but it's an important grown up conversation for sure.
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Money Rehab
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Yeah, because they're watching everything that you're doing. When people say I want financially responsible kids, the first question I ask is, are you financially responsible? How many crickets do you get? Because they're watching you. They're watching how you deal with money, how you go to the store and talk about money, how you talk about shopping or saving or whatever.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And if you're stressed about it, they'll totally pick up on that. You also talk about optimizing opportunities for generating multiple streams of income. It's been said all the stats that the self-made millionaires have about seven streams of income. How many do you have?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Well, you probably have some dividend income.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Don't sue me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Even a zero return is a return. Zero percent return is a return. And that's your choice. Yeah. The 5% high yield savings account, the easiest additional stream of income you could possibly make. So no excuse. Though you didn't mention social media as one of your streams of income. A lot of athletes monetize it, but your Instagram is private. Why is that?
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public, it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on Public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use Public for more than just your bond investments, of course.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
You reserve the right.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
To monetize. I want to get your thoughts really quick on Travis Kelsey. He's peaking financially between the NFL brand deals. There was just a story that came out that he sold his podcast to Amazon for $100 million. He's going to be in a movie. Yeah. What kind of financial advice would you give him? What would you tell him to do with this money or start thinking about?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And speaking of ownership, this is breaking news. I want to get your thoughts on private equity firms can now hold ownership stakes in NFL teams. And this is a really big deal because the NFL was the only major American sports league that didn't allow PE investments. So what do you think about this update?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
I like to think of Brandon Copeland as Troy Bolton from High School Musical, but instead of juggling basketball and musical theater, he's juggled football and finance. Brandon played for the NFL for 10 years on different teams, but his first and his last team was the Ravens, his home team. But before he was tackling competing NFL players, he was tackling investments at UBS.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
and we end our episodes by asking all of our guests for just one tip listeners can take straight to the bank if there's something you want to leave our listeners with it can be anything investing in sports saving investing in general in the market day trading budgeting what would you be what would it be yeah you have to put your money to work for you if you don't put your money to work for you you always have to work for it so whether you're comfortable with it or not learn as much as you can about investing and growing your money
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And even when he was at the NFL, he would run into the locker room to check his options trades. Seriously. Today, we talk about how he bucked the trend and turned his NFL money into real wealth, which he talks about in his new book, Your Money Playbook, which you can find in the episode description.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Brandon also tells me how much he actually made his first year in the NFL and what he thinks of the new NFL private equity opportunities. Brandon Copeland, welcome to Money Rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
You graduated from Wharton, one of the most prestigious schools for business in the world. You had interned for UBS for a couple summers in college. So that was a job option. But instead, you went to play for the Baltimore Ravens. So how did that happen?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And that's incredible. So, so 1.4 to 1.5 million for three years. 500 grand-ish a year. Is that more than you think you would have made at UBS?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
On public, you can invest in stocks, ETFs, options, crypto, and they even have a high yield cash account where you can earn 4.1% APY on your cash. And there's an exciting new offering on public that I cannot wait to tell you about. Now you can invest toward your future self through retirement accounts. On public, you can open a traditional IRA or a Roth IRA or both. I mean, why not?
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Yeah, you would have. For sure. But you're not taking home like 500K, right? When all was said and done with agent fees and God knows what.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
But but throughout all of it, you were still day trading while you were playing. Right. You mentioned Tennessee. So you were playing for the Tennessee Titans practice squad. You were day trading. You said you've gone to the bathroom actually to do some exit trade. Is that true? Yeah.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Did you think you were nuts? Did they know what you were doing?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
I think what you did was the responsible thing to do.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Did you feel like you were doing that as a backup plan while you were playing? Was that like your insurance?
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
That's true with anything, right? Like trying to get a job if you come if you really need like you have that thirsty energy.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Why do you think so many guys don't have that realization that it's ephemeral, that it's fleeting? Like you hear this as a stereotype. Do you think it's true?
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
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The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
No, I mean, that's the best explanation that I've ever heard with it, because you hear about a lot of guys just spending all their money, not having it when when their career ends. But do you think there is a similarity between money management and football? Right. I don't know. I know a lot of finance analogies, not a lot of football.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
And so if you can have some grace with me, like people have to be on the offense and the defense when it comes to finances.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
My husband's is the commanders.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Money Playbook of a NFL-Player-Turned-Financial-Guru: How Brandon Copeland to Manage Money Like a Pro
Now it's mine.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
The S&P 500 fell 9.1% last week with a 6% drop on Friday alone, making a 6% total drop since an all-time high on February 19th and $2.5 trillion lost in the market. So that's a lot. We know that the stock market goes up and down, but that kind of fall in such a short time frame is pretty rare. We've only seen a few like it in the last century.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So today, I want to go beyond the headlines to talk about why this happened, what will happen next, and share an easy investment strategy. You might think that that kind of pot agenda sounds really weird. If the stock market is down, why the heck are we talking about investing strategies? I'll explain that to you. But first, let's talk about why the heck this is happening.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
The short answer is tariffs. As we know, President Trump announced a sweeping new set of tariffs last week on Liberation Day. And these tariffs were much more aggressive than what was expected on Wall Street. A baseline 10 percent tariff is now in place for nearly every country and dozens are facing even steeper rates.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
China, for example, got hit with another 34% tariff on top of a 20% tariff already in place, bringing their grand total to 54%. These new tariffs were a full-blown trade war escalation. Countries hit with U.S. tariffs didn't wait long to strike back. China slapped 34 percent tariffs on all U.S. goods and blacklisted 11 major U.S. companies.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Europe, Canada, Mexico and others are prepping or have already enacted retaliatory tariffs. The things we can expect to be more expensive are as specific as avocados, tomatoes, strawberries, beer, whiskey, champagne to more general categories like cars, electronics and clothing. So kind of everything.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
These announcements triggered global panic, sent major economies scrambling to respond, and wiped out trillions in market value. Stocks plummeted across the board. Tech got slammed, with Apple down more than 13 percent over the week. Caterpillar, which is a bellwether for global industries, fell nearly 11 percent. And it wasn't just equities.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
It was oil, copper, gold, crypto, and even the dollar got caught in the sell-off. The ripple effects are hitting industries like tidal waves. Representatives from banks told The New York Times that in this economic climate, it would be too risky to underwrite a big merger or IPO. Two highly anticipated upcoming IPOs, Klarna and StubHub, were paused and many others were paused or pulled altogether.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
With the market itself providing dwindling returns, we could expect PE and VC to pause big fundraisers as well. So it makes sense why tariffs hurt consumers. But why was the stock market hit so hard? As a reminder, tariffs are paid by companies that import the goods, not foreign governments. So let's make up an example. Say Target imports a backpack from China that costs $25.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Under the new policy, China now faces a 54% tariff. So that means Target now owes $13.50 in tariffs to the U.S. government for every single backpack that it imports from China. So what does Target do? The company has a few options, of course.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
It can try to renegotiate the cost with the Chinese manufacturer and pay less per backpack, or it could eat the $13.50 cost itself, which is a serious blow to its profit margin, or more likely, it could raise the price of that backpack for consumers. It's clear how that would impact a consumer, of course, but this is also the answer to the question of how tariffs impact the markets.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
When supply chains break or become more expensive, Company profits shrink, consumers pay more, demand slows, and economic growth suffers. It's economics 101 and it's playing out in real time. So here's why, despite all of that, I'm talking about an investment strategy today.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
I know it feels bad, guys, but remember, we have always recovered from every single correction, bear market, recession, depression in U.S. history. And again, I totally get it. This is scary. But let's zoom out for a second. The market has weathered 19 crashes in the last 150 years. Some took months to recover. Others took years. The Great Depression, a 79% drop.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
The dot-com burst and the Great Recession combo, a 54% decline over 12 years. But even then, the market bounced back. It always does. Always. A couple of people asked me over the weekend how I stay calm when markets tank. And honestly, I'm not 100% calm. I'm not going to lie. But this, what I'm talking about right now is how I stay mostly calm. I remind myself that this has happened before.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Doesn't mean it doesn't suck because it totally does. But it does feel less scary when we remember that we've been through this before and we've come out the other side with bigger and badder portfolios and higher net worths. Market corrections, which is a drop of 10% or more, happen about once every two years. Bear markets, those are drops of 20% or more, happen about once a decade.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
But every single time, the market has recovered. I'm repeating it so much because it is so important to remember. I've been working in this industry for decades now, and I have never, ever met a financial advisor or economist that recommends selling on a dip. We should be thinking about our stocks more like houses. People don't panic sell their homes if their Zestimate on Zillow goes down.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
They stay. They wait. And prospective homebuyers don't freak out when home prices are low. They jump in and they buy. That's how we should be thinking about stocks too. From my perspective, a lot of high quality stocks are on sale. So I'm putting my blinders on and I am going to try to buy some more. Some hedge fund managers are making comments about how this is starting to feel like 2008.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
And I lived through that. It was a really awful time for a lot of us. But some people actually made their fortunes by doing exactly this, buying on dips and If you had 100 grand in savings in 2008, but you were too freaked out by the market tanking, so you waited to invest all of that money until the stock market recovered in 2013 and then invested it, your 100K would be worth around 480K now.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
But if you jumped into the market right at the worst time of the crash and invested your 100K, that investment would be worth over a million bucks now. Double what it would have been if you waited for the right time.
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Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
so that's why i don't panic sell and i actually buy on dips but here's where i wouldn't over correct we know that the market will recover we just don't know when after the stock market dropped 34 when covid broke out the market recovered in four months and then even just roughly a year later when the russia ukraine war broke out the market fell nearly 29 and recovery took 18 months
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
This does feel a little bit different to me, to be honest. Bank of America just upped their recession prediction from 40% to 60%, so the market could take a while to recover. I'm buying more because I'm a long-term investor, and some of this money I don't expect to need for 20 years, and I'm comfortable with the risk of things getting worse before they get better.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
We don't know when things will get better, so we don't invest money that we will need soon. So what do you do if you're just getting started investing or feel paralyzed by what's happening right now, but still want to buy the dip? I'm going to share some simple, smart places to start. So here are four funds to research. And if you're new here, I love funds because they're a collection of stocks.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So if one stock is having a particularly bad day, I'm looking at you, Nike, the others can act somewhat as a buffer. Obviously, do your own research. Ticker symbol VOO. This is a low-cost S&P 500 index fund. It mirrors the S&P 500 index. So if you buy into VOO, you're buying a tiny piece of the U.S. 's 500 biggest companies like the Magnificent Seven Stocks,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Berkshire Hathaway, JP Morgan, Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, and on and on. When the market recovers, and it will, VOO will rise with it. There are other funds that mimic the market too, like SPY, but I like VOO because it has a lower fee than SPY. Ticker symbol DIA. This one tracks the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which includes big established players like Apple and Boeing.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
It's less tech-heavy, more old-school, but a steady bet. Ticker symbol QQQ. This tracks the Nasdaq 100, which has big tech companies like Microsoft and Nvidia. It's riskier, but if you believe in the long-term power of innovation and tech, QQQ could be a good addition.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
But if you do invest in this, just be aware that a lot of big stocks in QQQ are also in VOO, like all of the Magnificent Seven stocks, for example. So be mindful of not doing too much doubling up or that misses the whole point of diversification. Ticker symbol GLD. This is a gold ETF. It's not going to skyrocket like tech stocks, but gold tends to hold its value when the market freaks out.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So think of it like a financial seatbelt. Now, there is no foolproof fund, but spreading your money out across a mix like this, stocks for growth, bonds and gold for stability, is a great first step toward building a resilient portfolio. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So I know today I've been sharing mostly bad news with higher prices and lower returns in the market, but here's a bright spot. Not all industries will be affected by tariffs. There are some industries that are expected to be pretty stable in terms of prices, namely consumer staples, utilities, and healthcare, which are less reliant on international trade.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So good news for consumers in those industries, and for investors, those industries will weather slightly better in this market too. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. All right, guys, how are we all doing? Are we a little stressed? A little anxious? It is completely normal to be freaked out when the stock market has such a bad day. I mean, it's not just a bad day. It's the worst day in five years.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Market Downturn Explained and Bear Market Investment Strategies
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
I definitely know how painful it is to watch your hard earned money lose value in the stock market. So whether you're worried about a looming recession or just trying to keep up with rising prices, I've got you covered with some strategies that can help safeguard your portfolio. First, let's talk about why you need a different game plan for recessions versus high inflation.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Well, during recessions, people and businesses cut back on spending. That can hurt corporate profits, which can hurt the stock market. During inflation, the issue isn't necessarily that the companies are struggling. It's that your money buys less because prices are rising. Think of it as two storms that both threaten your financial house, but in different ways. So how do you protect yourself?
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Well, the good news is there are investments that tend to perform well in both of those scenarios. I'm going to tell you about three, but of course, you'll need to do your own research or consult with a financial advisor before investing because no one has a crystal ball. And if they say they do, they are lying to you. Okay, so number one, defensive stocks.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
In the finance world, defensive stocks are different from defense stocks. You might have heard defensive stocks and thought about weapons, helicopters, whatever. But defensive stocks are shares of companies that provide essentials, things people need no matter what is happening in the economy. These are companies in the consumer staples industries, healthcare, and utilities. So
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Think about Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Duke Energy. Why have these industries been called recession-proof? Because no matter the economic climate, people still need toothpaste. People still need their prescription medicine and electricity. These companies are not sexy and flashy, but historically they've been able to provide consistent earnings even when the economy is wobbly.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Number two, dividend-paying stocks. These can be a portfolio MVP during recessions. When stock prices are down, getting that steady income stream from dividends can soften the blow. And here's the cherry on top. Historically, companies that pay dividends are more financially stable, which means they're more likely to weather economic storms.
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
When you're digging into options here, look for companies with a strong history of maintaining or increasing their dividends. Think of reliable names here like Coca-Cola or utilities companies that people depend on, rain or shine. Number three, treasury inflation protected securities or TIPS. OK, so now let's talk about inflation.
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
One of the best ways to guard against rising prices is with Treasury Inflation Protected Securities or TIPS. It has the name right there in it. These are bonds issued by the U.S. government that adjust with inflation. So when inflation goes up, the value of TIPS goes up, too. This means your investment keeps pace with rising prices, protecting your purchasing power.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
They're not the most exciting investment either, but they're incredibly effective at what they do. Recessions and inflation don't have to be financial disasters if you are prepared. Defensive stocks and dividend payers can cushion the impact during recessions, while tips, real assets, and short-term bonds can help you keep pace with inflation. And remember, diversification is key.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Spread your investments out across different asset classes to reduce your risk. If you're not sure how to balance your portfolio for these economic challenges, it might be time to get some personalized expert advice. A financial advisor can help you craft a strategy that matches your goals and your risk tolerance.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Which brings me to today's tip you can take straight to the bank. When the economy feels uncertain, having a financial advisor there to watch the trends for you can give you some major peace of mind, not to mention also actively making smart decisions to protect your portfolio. As you know by now, Creative Planning is my favorite wealth management firm with really excellent financial advisors.
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
If you want to know that somebody has your back during these uncertain times, schedule a 15-minute free consultation call with Creative Planning at creativeplanning.com slash Nicole. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
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How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. All right, I'm just going to jump in here with the question I'm getting a lot right now. How the heck do I protect my money when the economy gets shaky? Well, confidence in the U.S.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Recession-Proof Your Finances
economy has had its biggest drop since 2021, but I probably don't even need to tell you that. You're probably already feeling it as we slog through another month of the seemingly endless vibe session. So today I want to share the investments that have historically stood the test of time during recessions and even thrive in high inflation environments.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
And there's an exciting new offering on public that I cannot wait to tell you about. Now you can invest toward your future self through retirement accounts. On public, you can open a traditional IRA or a Roth IRA or both. I mean, why not? If you're looking for a simple yet sophisticated investing experience, head over to public.com slash money rehab.
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Master Your Investments Once and For All
One more time because trust you will thank me later. Public.com slash money rehab. This is a paid endorsement for public investing. Full disclosures and conditions can be found in the podcast description. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. So tomorrow, my fifth book, The Money School, comes out. How crazy is that?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
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Master Your Investments Once and For All
And I don't write books just to write them, I promise. I keep writing them because the rules of the financial game keep changing. And I want you to not only be able to play, but to win. So this week, I'm going to share some financial strategies that I break down in the book. But first, let's talk about why I have to write all of these dang books in the first place.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Like I said, it is the financial game that keeps changing, and it's all because of one key player. interest rates. When I wrote Rich Bitch and then Miss Independent, two of my previous books that talk about financial markets, interest rates were super low, like unnaturally low.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Changing interest rates by small percentages or fractions of a percent might not feel like a big deal, but it is the biggest of big deals in the financial world. To give you some context on this, interest rates were set to nearly zero after the housing crisis of 2008. This was done to try and prop up the economy because it was completely in the dumps.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
And then during the pandemic, when the dump caught fire, interest rates plummeted again. Once things stabilized, as we all remember, the Fed then started picking interest rates up off the floor and interest rates got, quote, high. I put that in air quotes right now. I know you can't see that, but that's what people were saying. Interest rates are so high.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
And while they were high relative to COVID doomsday times of zero, I mean, the Fed got up to around 5.3 percent. It was nowhere near all time highs. In the 1990s, interest rates were hovering around 5 percent, too, but got as high as 10 percent. Then a decade before that, in the 80s, interest rates flirted with 20 percent. I mean, I'll say it again, 20 freaking percent.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
So if you got used to a world of rock bottom interest rates, it's time to snap out of it. It was a decision made by the Federal Reserve to keep us from financial Armageddon. Lowering interest rates is an emergency move, not the norm. The narrative generally is that higher interest rates are bad. But that's an oversimplification.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Sure, if you're a borrower looking to buy a home or to get a business loan, higher rates are not ideal because you'll be paying more on your loan in interest over time. But if you're an investor in high interest bearing vehicles or a savvy saver, this is excellent news for you because you will be earning more over time.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Interest rates are the heartbeat of the financial world and help us put our finger on the pulse of the best place for us to put our money. When rates are low, traditional savings accounts and fixed income investments offer modest returns, nudging us toward finding our higher yields in the stock market.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
This shift has led to a surge in stock market investments over the last 10 years, with average returns hovering around 9% after adjusting for inflation. But when interest rates rise, the allure of investments like bonds and CDs increases. So higher interest rates aren't better than lower interest rates. They're just different. I know that sounds simple because it is.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
What's a little more complex is understanding that in different interest rate environments, you should be making different investing decisions. Or if that sounds too overwhelming, you should implement a strategy that can hold steady in different economic climates. That is what I'll teach you how to do in my new book.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
In The Money School, I'll help you understand how the changing interest rates will change the game because rates will shift again. The only constant in life and on Wall Street is exactly that, change. So when, not if, it happens again, you'll be ready. While the economy has and will evolve, solid investing principles haven't and won't.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
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Master Your Investments Once and For All
And no matter who you are or where you are in your investment journey, you'll Success starts with mastering those fundamentals. As you know, I didn't learn this stuff at home. I didn't learn it at school. And I don't say this to brag because this and five dollars will get me an oat milk latte. But I did really well in actual school, like really, really well.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Like I was the valedictorian of my high school and my college well. But throughout my schooling and all of the excelling that I did in it, I never, ever learned any basic financial lessons, anything. I mean, I got a freaking college diploma with all the bells and whistles without ever learning what a stock or a bond is. That should be illegal.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
The schools I went to didn't teach me anything like what you'll find in this book, and I doubt the schools you went to did either. I had to learn this stuff in the illustrious School of Hard Knocks. And during my deepest, darkest days when I was elbow-deep in credit card debt or depressed in eating brown rice and beans because it felt a little fancier than ramen but was the same price,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
I desperately wanted to find a crash course to learn the practical money lessons to help me, but there wasn't one in plain English sans jargon. So I vowed that if I ever figured out how to get to the other side of my own financial fire, I would do everything I could to bring back buckets of water for those still caught in the flames. The money school is just that.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
It is packed with all of the information I wish someone had taught me when I was taking my first steps toward long-lasting financial freedom by investing in the financial markets. In this book, I will be the professor that you never had, and honestly, I never expected to be, but always needed.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
The Money School is divided into courses, four of them, with three lessons each, totaling 12 lessons altogether. And if you've read my other books, you know that this is my M.O. In the money school, the first course focuses on the stock market. That's where you'll learn about one of the most potent but also accessible forces in our financial system.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
The second one zooms into debt, the good kind where you own the debt, not owe it via CDs and bonds. The third course steps it up with more exotic or advanced securities like commodities, currencies, and derivatives. And the final part wraps it all up with how you can make a portfolio to help you reach your own financial success as you define it.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
There is absolutely zero reason not to succeed in the money school, whether you were a good student in actual school or not. There are no tests that will require you to memorize gratuitous information or facts. There are no grades to stress your ego out over. You're just doing this for yourself, the smart, whole, extraordinary version that you are now and your even richer future self.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
You can shout from the social media rooftops that you're doing this, or you can keep it all to yourself, millionaire next door style. However you do it, it's totally up to you. It's all on the honor system anyway. If you cheat, you're only cheating on that really important person who really doesn't deserve that anymore. That's you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
I wrote this book to help you avoid the money mistakes I made, and Lord knows I have made a lot, by not knowing how the stock market worked earlier. I wrote this book to show you that investing can give you the feeling of always having your own back. I hope this book helps you forgive your former self for not knowing this stuff before.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
And I also hope that it helps you give your future self some tough love, knowing that past behaviors that didn't serve you are no longer acceptable. So with that, enjoy the next few episodes where I'll be sharing excerpts from my book that deep dive into these best practice financial strategies. If you want more of these strategies, you can of course order my book.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
It is out tomorrow at the link in the episode description. And let me just say, if you buy my book, you are really supporting me and everything I'm building here. I know you might think, with five books out, how much does my purchase actually matter? But let me tell you, it does. It really, truly does. It supports me and my team that helped me launch this thing.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
It builds my publisher's faith in me. And honestly, it just means a lot to me right now when my whole world has, you know, kind of fallen apart. So with that, Glass is in session on Mastering Financial Markets and Investing. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible. It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Master Your Investments Once and For All
it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use public for more than just your bond investments, of course. On public, you can invest in stocks, ETFs, options, crypto, and they even have a high yield cash account where you can earn 4.1% APY on your cash.
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How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
And now for some more money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
How to Rewire Your Brain to Overcome "Broke Baggage" with Claire Wasserman
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
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Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
And now for some more MONEYREHAB.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
And there's an exciting new offering on public that I cannot wait to tell you about. Now you can invest toward your future self through retirement accounts. On public, you can open a traditional IRA or a Roth IRA or both. I mean, why not? If you're looking for a simple yet sophisticated investing experience, head over to public.com slash money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
One more time because trust you will thank me later. Public.com slash money rehab. This is a paid endorsement for public investing. Full disclosures and conditions can be found in the podcast description. I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
A time checking account makes financial progress easier with features like no maintenance fees and fee free overdraft up to 200 bucks or getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit. Learn more at Chime.com slash MNN. When you go to Chime.com slash MNN, you'll see all the reasons I love Chime. Like, did you hear me say that Chime allows you to overdraft up to $200 with no fees?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
Chime also has no monthly fees or maintenance fees. And Chime has over 50,000 fee-free ATMs. So as the fee police myself, I approve. Make progress toward a better financial future with Chime. Open your account in just two minutes at Chime.com slash MNN. That's Chime.com slash MNN as in Money News Network. Chime feels like progress. It's me talking about public again, obviously. Are you surprised?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible. It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public,
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use public for more than just your bond investments, of course. On public, you can invest in stocks, ETFs, options, crypto, and they even have a high yield cash account where you can earn 4.1% APY on your cash.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Catt Sadler and Law Mother: Saving Your Wealth and Health During Divorce
Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
I think that you are looking back at yourself somehow beating yourself up, which you shouldn't at all. You've had a very colored career that every step of the way sounds like you were really passionate about. So you're judging yourself by something you didn't optimize for at the time. So you're being too hard on yourself for that.
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"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Like throughout your career, it sounds like you didn't optimize for money, right? But now you're looking back and you're saying, well, like I wasn't successful because I didn't make a lot of money. But that wasn't the driving force of your moves.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
You're judging yourself for metrics you didn't even know at the time. That's not fair to Sean. Let's be nicer to Sean.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
You've now switched and you said, here's my goal. It's $100,000. Your goal in the past when you were coming up in your career in your 20s was not that. You didn't have that goal. And so now you're switching. So let's say, okay, let's appreciate our former self for what he did. He did an awesome job. He did the best he could with the information he had.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And now moving forward, we have like a different goal.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. As you probably know, I also co-host a career advice podcast with the Entrepreneur Magazine editor-in-chief, Jason Pfeiffer, called Help Wanted.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Me again. If you're enjoying this episode of Help Wanted, please subscribe. Search for it wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
I mean, I find it very helpful to make a shaded part of a Venn diagram. Like, What do you do? What can you do? What are the skills you have? What are the opportunities you have? And what do you want? And there's always going to be a shaded part. And if now what you want is money, what are the high paying things that combine your skills? Is it teaching other paralegals?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Is it making a class or writing about it or something? Like, can you smush all of the things you have for the highest salary possible? Have you thought of that?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
This week, while I'm out on mat leave, I'm sharing some of the episodes of Help Wanted that I think will be especially valuable for you, my dear money rehabbers. This episode is all about what to do when you feel stuck in your career, and it starts with someone from Jason's past. Here's the episode.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
You're welcome. Let's think about it.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Totally. And by the way, one of my favorite online shopping sites these days is Fiverr and Upwork. I love these marketplaces where I can find a bunch of really easy freelancers who can do things for our business.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And as I was looking for writers on there, actually, I saw a lot of offerings for freelance writers who were specializing either in business or in law who could write these articles that I've actually stumbled upon recently because I've been searching like how to make a convertible note for an LLC or something like that.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And so all these like random law firms in like Wisconsin or wherever, like have an article explaining And I can guarantee you the people at that Wisconsin law firm are not writing it. I'm sure they outsource that to some writer on Fiverr, like you could be, who has a particular expertise in some area.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And they're now using that to put on their website to optimize for SEO and all this other fun stuff to get customer acquisition.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And I'm New York Times bestselling author and money expert, Nicole Lapid.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Do you know how many streams of income the average millionaire has, Sean?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
It's seven. People who have money don't make money from their paycheck. There are a lot of streams of income for people who have a lot of money. Now, some of it can be passive income. Some of it can be investment income.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Some of it can be freelance income, all sorts of different kinds of income to cobble together to make a lot of money because very rarely do rich people make their money from like a W-2.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And I would just say, if you are looking for some hot new thing, which probably is like AI related, right? And you tell us like, I'm obsessed with AI. My wife and I just play with chat GPT all weekend long. I don't know. Then cool. Like, let's also dig into that. That doesn't sound like you're saying that. It sounds like you're saying, I've loved all of the things I've done, right?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And now I just want to figure out how to smush them together and make some money.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Are we going to sign up for Fiverr tonight? Maybe I'll hire you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
What? Fiverr.com. F-I-V-E-R-R. And Upwork. Okay, let's end with an embarrassing story about Jason.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Yeah, I mean, not like in a weird way. I also try to limit social media time. And I do generally think comparison is the thief of joy. But yeah, for sure. Especially when you feel like you're in shitty places. Then I go like check on my ex-boyfriends and their like wives. We've all gone in the rabbit holes of people from yesteryear.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Little does he know, you don't wish you made some of the decisions you made.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And also, if you have any embarrassing stories about Jason along the way, please feel free to insert those.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Yeah, but Sean, you're very smart, too. And you are a journalist and you know how to use Google.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Is there like maybe some mental disconnect or is it like that you don't want to really know?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Maybe, but that's also like, you know, people that don't step on a scale because they don't want to know. Like also maybe the scale is messed up. Maybe it's on a slant or maybe it's like a weird scale or maybe it's a digital scale or I don't know. Maybe it's like that's not the real number or something like that.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And so I think some of this stuff is just like the enemy between your ears or like maybe something that's keeping you from actually knowing the truth. And I'd love to figure out what that is.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
Let's connect on this. I would love to be adopted by Roy Pfeiffer as the Pfeiffer clan. They are a fantastic family. I also didn't have that. My father died of an overdose when I was 11. My mother peaced out like I had no safety net. I resonate with this story a lot. I felt like I never had a couch to go back to. There was no plan B. There was no option. There still isn't.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And it still drives me and scares me. And so for me, the way I've approached it is that I have actually optimized more for money because I've had to. And I've tried to go in saying that that is not a sellout which is another episode of ours, situation, but it's something that I need to get. It's not a nice to have, it's a need to have.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And so I'm wondering, like, if we, you and I kind of had a similar start in life, I would say, is that fair?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"I Feel Behind in My Career. Help!"
And I also started in journalism and quickly realized that you can't make money there. Yeah. But beyond that, I think that the next moves were driven by the necessity to take care of myself. So I'm curious, when you started talking with others, did you ever just sit with yourself and say, what did you want to do?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
serious and the talks are just escalating, but a lot of other countries have come back to the table, which I'm sure you're not surprised by. What about Canada and Mexico? I mean, these are our homies. What do you think about our long-term relationship with them?
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We are a great service to America as a matter of fact. So do you think tourism from Canada, from where else is going to get affected?
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But also the perception. I mean, Fred, you are one of the most dapper gentlemen I know and such a good diplomat around the world for many, many years. What do you think the perception now of the U.S. is with all of this? How has that changed and how is that? Well, it's hard to do great things for the dollar either.
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That's really interesting. Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab. Just stepping back to the goal of all of this and bringing manufacturing back to the United States. In theory, this sounds amazing. You know, in practice, do you think it's going to work to help the middle class? And these are the goals.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
I mean, I think everybody wants to get behind that idea, but is it possible?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
You recently wrote, Fred, that as Trump doubles down on his America first rhetoric, he is at best ignoring the most crucial fact about the American economy. It runs on trade. Can you explain how Americans benefit from trade?
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Like our travel to other countries.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah, there was that commercial. Yeah, you won't get a lemon.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah. So if the US is the number two exporter in the world, number one, maybe with services, who do these retaliatory tariffs actually hurt? Like, aren't they just hurting that country?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So China is saying, we're going to get Airbus instead of Boeing now?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah. And these really complicated supply chains, too. So with the iPhone coming from the Congo and I don't know, you know, Netherlands, Switzerland, Korea and the United States. So how do these companies then navigate a supply chain? How do you even, you know, how can you price in for a P&L or as companies try to go raise money or go into markets?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Treading water a little bit. But you say that tariffs aren't all that bad. What kind of tariffs actually help Americans?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Well, we have had some good news on tariffs slowly trickling in after a whirlwind of some not so great news. On April 11, President Trump paused reciprocal tariffs on Chinese electronics. Now he's apparently thinking about making significant cuts to tariffs on Chinese goods pretty much across the board.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So when we talk about, and by the way, I think a lot of people agree with that. That that doesn't seem like a controversial move.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
The rest of it, do you feel like is just a bunch of negotiations that are going to calm down?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
But the idea is that we could do that. It will just take a really long time.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So when we talk about the trade deficit and we worry about the trade deficit, do you think it's even something to worry about?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
All of this revolving door of policy has implications, of course, on all of us and how we should be saving and spending. So to help me follow the money trail and bringing in Fred Hochberg, he is back on money rehab. Not only has he helped scaled major businesses in the private sector, he's also worked at the intersection of business and public service.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
What other misconceptions do you think are out there right now about trade? I mean, trade- Well, one big one is- Don't forget more than people will ever know about it.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah, doesn't a lot of the wood come from Canada that we use in home housing anyway?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Fred was the president of the Export-Import Bank of the United States in the Obama administration. He was also the acting administrator of the Small Business Administration under President Clinton. So he is maybe the best person in the world to be talking about this stuff.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
It sure is. But can you connect the dots for me between trade and no war?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
And those have frayed.
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Yeah, there's some stuff that's just unnecessary, like the Gulf of America. Yes. Probably unnecessary at this time. I had a friend who sent me a picture from his trip to Mexico and they went to a coffee shop and on the menu, they crossed out Americanos and they put Mexicanos instead. So, I mean, this is silly.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Today we talk about what tariff policy should be in order to benefit Americans, what will happen to the economy if tariffs don't change, whether rolling back Chinese tariffs will have a negative impact on American industry, and what we already know about the cost of Christmas presents this year. Here we go. Fred Hochberg, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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No, it didn't. So can we go to your old stomping grounds of the Ex-Im Bank of the U.S.? If anyone doesn't know, it's the official export credit agency for the United States federal government. What's the deal with that agency right now? And how are they being affected by tariffs?
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The White House is now also saying that for later this year in the holiday season, there could be possible shortages. So if you can look a little bit ahead to how this is going to affect. I mean, I can't even think about the holidays right now, but is that real?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Right. So just to clarify, a lot of major retailers are, you know, can you tell us what the calendar looks like for purchasing?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So we talked about lumber coming a lot from Canada, steel. Can you sort of paint?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So much to talk about. So much to talk about. You are the man to break all of this stuff down for us. Holy smokes. Just like, how are you feeling about this? This feels like maybe your Super Bowl.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
It sure is. But I wish we could, you know, have an app that we could check what the deal is here. Just like we checked the weather.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
For sure. We face a lot of challenges, but what's going to be, you know, more expensive if I'm thinking, okay, I need a new iPhone. Should I wait? Or I need to get a new TV. I'm rebuilding my house. Do I get it now and not next week?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
It could change tomorrow. OK, so generally, are there materials that we should think about getting sooner or materials or things that we should be getting later?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Do you think that's going to happen?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Oh, well, you just have to come back, please. And thank you, Brad. We end as you know, our episodes by asking our guests for one final tip that listeners can take straight to the bank. If somebody is worried about all of this rising prices, potential inflation or stagflation, or a small business owner, what what's a tip that you would give them today?
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
For sure. Everything is changing by the day we're talking. Thursday, April 24th, this episode is going to come out tomorrow. Even with a one-day turnaround, there could be significant news or tweets or whatever that come out about U.S.-China tariffs. This is all an active conversation. It seems like the president is now, the latest news is he's strongly considering lowering tariffs.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
The numbers are unconfirmed, but right now they're floating around 50% to 65%. What do you think about that? Do you think a 50% tariff on Chinese goods is going to be better at achieving some of these goals? China is a different beast.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Not cool.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So right now, it seems like China has a lot of leverage. They're saying, hey, we're not even talking. What are you guys talking about? Like, come to us when you have no tariffs. How do you think the U.S.-Sino relations are playing out since you were part of the administration?
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Yeah. I mean, it's all playing out on the national stage. This is like a lot of drama. I've not seen anything like this before. I'm assuming you haven't either. It sounds like, too, you know, the president's walking back of these tariffs comes after meeting with CEOs of Walmart and Target and Home Depot and Lowe's. Do you think it's possible for the U.S. and China to even strike a deal?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Do you think it will be better or worse off? How is it going to affect America?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
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Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. So I just went to the grocery store and I actually flinched at the cost of eggs. And I don't even really eat eggs. That's how bad it is. Everything feels more expensive. And so I'm hearing from a lot of money rehabbers right now that their credit cards are getting a lot of exercise right now.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
So where do you think this thing is going to land? And what's the difference between what we send to China and what they send to us?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Well, that's bananas. I don't know if I can assume 27 pounds of bananas.
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
Yeah, and a lot of investment banks have come out and talked about how these crazy tariffs and China's 125% retaliatory tariff. First of all, are you surprised with how tough they've been in the negotiation?
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So a lot of iBanks are now saying, and the IMF are slashing growth forecasts, saying that there are higher chances of recessions because of all the tariff drama. So if nothing changes, do you think there's going to be a recession? Do you think the writing's on the wall?
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The Latest on China and How Lighter Tariffs Will Affect Your Wallet with Fred P. Hochberg
That is for sure. And I think that people, you know, and the markets are just having whiplash every single day and really craving some certainty. China, of course, is dominating a lot of the news. And I think people realize that so much of our stuff does come from China. And so the trickle down is...
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
You know, there was this one time before I did my own money rehab when I checked my credit score and I realized I had no idea what it actually meant for my financial future. That's when it hit me. It was time to get serious about my money. We've all had that moment, right?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
I think Morgan does a nice job too on our Zooms where she announces that she's taking notes.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
That's cool. I mean, I guess like I will generally take notes or notes adjacent if something's being said in a meeting and it's like, oh, the follow up is you have to email or forward something like I'll do that. But who knows? I could be sexting. Could be. I don't know. So so maybe it's worth announcing what I'm doing on my telephone.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
But also sometimes I'm not taking notes and I I'm not sexting, but I'm like, dealing with the dog walker right now or, you know, multitasking.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
What do you think of my phone usage?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
So that they're like, I wasn't on Roblox with Fenn.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Doing anything fun this weekend? Yeah, I hate it. Hate it. I don't like anything about it. I would rather be silent.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
No, because inevitably they're going to fucking ask me, where are you in the world? And like, oh my God, you're in LA. Isn't it raining? Yes. Are you a meteorologist? Like, got it. So I will not sit in silence because someone will say some stupid small talk Zoom thing. But honestly, we had a recording earlier today and Jason was late and we were waiting for him and I just sat still in silence.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And I fumbled through some small talks and I asked where they lived. Morgan did the small talk.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Yeah, I was just like, I'm done. I'm good. I'm comfortable with myself and silence. I don't feel like I need to fill the void. Morgan's face right now.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Morgan's terrific at the small talk. And truly, I just want no part of it. I like big talk, but I don't know what that big talk is because there's a balance between like super big talk. Like, you don't want to be like, hey, so tell me about your childhood trauma. Like, we're just waiting on this other person. Like, let's get deep. Like, there has to be a middle ground.
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Yeah, no, I like that. I like a random story. The other day, I don't know if you were on the call, Morgan, but I got this little baby mic flag that I'm very excited about for our social videos. And it had just arrived. And I was like, oh, my God, I got this like baby mic. I'm so excited about it. And it was like an interesting show and tell.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
So maybe now I'm just going to keep it here and like pretend like I just got it all the time. Just as my go to story, because it's interesting. It's cute. It's not the weather.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Oh, like a money roll? Yeah, let's do that.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Yeah, I like it. Lean on the props, not the weather. I like it. We have one more that we can probably squeeze in. And it's do you treat Zoom as a mirror, which I'm doing right now because I fucked up my hair color.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Can you tell though? Cause I move my screen around like all around here. So you don't really know where my, where my screen is. Is it a mirror? Is it not?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And I'm looking at myself in horror.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Like 95%. My hair is really fucked up right now and it is, it is bothering me. And I know what you guys look like, but it's not 95%, but it's more than 25%.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
I don't care if the guest is in the waiting room. What the fuck is shrimping?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
All right, what are you doing?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
This is why I'm like, Jason, change your fucking cord to make it the white cord that we got you. Like every little thing.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And I'm money expert Nicole Lappin. On Tuesdays, Jason and I answer the helpline and help callers solve their work problems.
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Where's your sign? Where's your money roll?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Sorry, I wasn't listening. I was checking on my hair. What?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And me, Nicole Lapin. Our executive producer is Morgan Lavoie. If you want some help, email our helpline at helpwanted at moneynewsnetwork.com for the chance to have some of your questions answered on the show. And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive content and to see our beautiful faces. Maybe a little dance?
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And it starts now. Hello, Morgan.
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It's Nicole and Jason. You know that. Actually, it's Jason and Nicole on the cover art because Jason has more airtime on Help Wanted. So I'm like the sidekick.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Should you follow your boss on Instagram?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
I feel like it depends on like what kind of vibe you have at work. Like if it's a small company, yeah. If it's a big company, probably not. But also then it becomes you just open yourself up to more drama because like what if then he or she doesn't accept you and then you're like spinning about it and then they have to decide.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And it's just like, I don't know if it's a big segundo company, then I say no.
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This is a funny offshoot of this. My boyfriend runs a company and they have about 50 employees and they had an executive offsite recently. And one of his employees said like, oh, I'm doing more running on this. I think it's like a running app or like the Apple Watch. Clearly, I'm not a runner. So I don't know where you can like follow everybody. Yeah. Yeah.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Okay, you can follow when you're working out and like if you've reached these benchmarks. And he made a big deal about like, oh my God, I'm so excited. I'm on this thing. We can connect on it or like follow each other. And he's like, cool, man, whatever. And so then he accepted him as part of it. But then the guy blocked him. What? What?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Maybe he thought, oh, well, like, if I'm, like, working out in the middle of work, like, is Derek going to be annoyed? Or, like, is he going to see this now? And so he probably marinated on it and was like... Nay.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
I mean, it was aggressive. It was like our pillow talk discussion of the other night.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
Well, I don't know if somebody is going to know if they block, if you blocked them. If it's like a smaller little sort of community or something. Yeah. Don't be weird. It just, it opens up a whole Pandora's box of issues. So like, I would say default to no.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
So I didn't even realize this, but it came up in our group dinner when we were all in New York that Morgan was like, Nicole followed me after our first call. And I was like, I don't remember that, but cool. I didn't know that that was like a big deal or something notable. And I also don't really use Instagram, as you guys know, for like a lot of personal stuff. It's really work focused.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
And so like I have really close friends that I don't follow and I don't I just like kind of don't care. Yeah. You know, it means more to some people than it does to others. And it can create like a bunch of drama and issues around. Did they like your thing back in that?
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How much are you eating? Is it a whole tortilla, fajitas situation? Is it a power bar? Like I eat power bars a lot, but I'm not going to bring out, you know, tiki masala and like tandoori bread and like,
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
You just said it was all hands.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
I'm hungry. Can you tell?
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That's so weird. Why?
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It's not like what I'm going to choose if I'm like, you know, looking on YouTube to like watch people masticating.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
But I don't mind it. Like I don't, I'm not averse to it so much that I want to see you like go off camera like a weirdo. And like, what are you doing over there? Are you vaping?
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
It's not. I mean, but also I get it from Jason's perspective because it's always a topic of discussion when Jason eats.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
It's like he wants to avoid the I can't taste discussion. Inevitably, I'd be like, so what does it taste like?
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Regular listeners know.
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When you're naked.
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What if we have a nice sign and a mic flag?
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Thank you.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
It's like Morgan is the Swiss Army knife of Eminem. Keep your camera off, sister. Keep your camera off.
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"Should I Follow My Boss On Instagram?" and Other New Workplace Etiquette Conundrums
But generally, I will not put my camera on if I'm naked. Nobody needs to see that. Although I have seen your children naked a lot, Jason. Yeah. It's fine. Or if I'm driving, you guys know I'm a terrible driver. And so I keep my camera off.
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How to Make a Newsletter Your Career's Secret Weapon
I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab.
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3 Easy Ways to Make Passive Income From Investing
So, for example, at the time I'm recording this, the yield for a one-year bond issued by the U.S. government is 4.19% yield. So generally speaking, if you invested $100, you would get back $4.19 after a year because $4.19 is 4.19% of $100. And here's the last one, coupon rate. This is the fixed interest rate the bond pays.
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For example, if you buy a $1,000 bond with a 5% coupon, you'll receive $50 per year in interest payments until the bond matures.
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if you're thinking that coupon rate kind of sounds similar to yield here's the difference the coupon rate is the fixed interest payment based on the bond's original price while the yield fluctuates depending on the bond's current market price so if the bond's price drops the yield goes up and vice versa it's like a seesaw but the coupon rate always, always stays the same.
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All right, with those basics out of the way, let's look at two major types of bonds, treasury bonds and corporate bonds. Let's start with treasury bonds. Treasuries are bonds issued by the US government. They're considered one of the safest investments out there because Uncle Sam always pays his debts.
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Within this category, you're going to find a few different types of government bonds with different maturities. Treasury bills, also known as T-bills, are short term bonds that mature within a year or less. Treasury notes or T-notes are medium term bonds with maturities between 2 and 10 years. Treasury bonds or T-bonds are long term bonds with maturities of 20 or 30 years.
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. I'm sure you've heard the Wall Street cliche by now, buy low, sell high. But selling stocks isn't the only way to make money from your investments. You can actually make your money work for you through passive investing income.
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Now on to corporate bonds. Corporate bonds are bonds issued by companies instead of the government. These bonds often give higher yields than treasuries, but with higher rewards comes, say it with me now, higher risk. If a company goes bankrupt, bondholders might not get paid back in full. So how do investors evaluate whether a specific bond is a good investment or not?
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Credit ratings, liquidity score, and whether the bond is callable are usually three factors investors evaluate before investing. A bond's credit rating is essentially a measure of risk. Agencies like S&P Global and Moody's rate corporate bonds based on how likely a company is to repay its debt.
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The best rated bonds are AAA, super safe, while lower rated bonds like BBB or lower are riskier but might offer higher rewards. A bond's liquidity score tells you how easy it is to buy or sell the bond. If a bond isn't traded very much, it might be harder to sell when you need the cash. So think about this like you're selling a house.
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If you put your house on the market and no one is buying houses at that time, you can't bank on the fact that you can get cash from selling your house quickly. Lastly, some corporate bonds are callable, which means a company can pay them off early.
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Passive meaning your money is working for you while you just sit back and let it do its thing. Today, I'm going to be talking about three very low maintenance ways to generate income. bonds, high yield cash accounts, and dividend stocks.
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This isn't great for investors because if interest rates drop, the company might decide to pay back the bond early and reissue new ones at lower rates, leaving you without those juicy interest payments.
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Tons of companies issue corporate bonds, like the big companies you're seeing in the headlines, Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet, the parent company of Google, Nvidia, Amazon, and even private companies that you can't even buy through investing on public markets.
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Because bonds deliver a lower risk and usually fixed return, bond investing can act as a more passive investment than something like stock trading. To get that true recurring income that passive income stands love, some investors use a strategy called a bond ladder. This is when you buy multiple bonds with different maturity dates.
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The idea is that as each bond matures, you reinvest the money into a new bond, keeping a steady stream of income rolling in while taking advantage of changing interest rates. For example, let's say you invest in one-year, three-year, and five-year treasury bonds today. In a year, when that first bond matures, you roll it into a new five-year bond.
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The next year, the three-year bond matures, and you roll that into another five-year bond. This way, you always have bonds maturing and giving you access to cash while keeping your investments working for you. All right, that's the need to know on bonds. Next up, high yield cash accounts. If you want to generate passive income, high yield cash accounts are where it's at.
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This is just a place to park your cash almost like a checking account. But high yield cash accounts offer significantly better interest rates. The average interest rate for a checking account right now is 0.07%. Yep, you heard me right. That is less than 1%. But high yield cash accounts offer much more than that.
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Public, the investing app that I always talk about, is offering 4.1% on their high yield cash account right now. And what would you rather have, 0.07% or 4.1%? I'll wait. And the high yield cash account for public is FDIC insured up to $5 million. The thing to keep in mind is that interest rates can change.
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But since high yield cash accounts are totally liquid, meaning you can access your money at any time, you can always move your cash when you need to without penalty. Now let's talk about dividend stocks, which may be my favorite way to make passive income. Here's how they work. When you invest in a stock, you usually make money in two ways.
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These options are great for those of you who want to invest but don't want to be glued to a stock ticker all day long, or you just want some diversification in your portfolio. All right, let's get into it. First up, bonds. The set it and forget it investment. A bond is essentially an IOU. When you buy a bond, you're lending money to a government or a company, and over time you get paid interest.
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Capital appreciation, which is just a fancy term for saying the stock price goes up, and dividends. Some companies issue investors a portion of its profits, and that monetary thank you gift from the company is called a dividend. Dividends are usually paid out quarterly, although some companies pay them out monthly or annually.
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The amount you receive is based on something called the dividend yield, which is the percentage of the stock price that the company pays out in dividends. Not all companies issue dividends, but some of the well-known companies that do are companies like Johnson & Johnson, Coca-Cola, Procter & Gamble, and McDonald's.
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These companies are known as dividend aristocrats, meaning they're in the S&P 500 and they've increased their dividend for at least 25 consecutive years. Dividends are an awesome way to get a little boost in your brokerage account. But if you don't need to use them right away, you can always enroll in a dividend reinvestment plan or a DRIP.
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With a drip, instead of receiving cash payouts, your dividends are automatically used to buy more shares of the stock. This helps your investments compound over time, meaning your future dividend payments get larger and larger. For example, let's say you own 100 shares of a dividend stock paying $1 per share annually. That's $100 in dividends per year.
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If you reinvest those dividends, you'll own more than 100 shares by next year, which means your next dividend payment will be even bigger.
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over time this snowballs into some serious money passive income does not have to be complicated with bonds high yield savings accounts and dividend stocks you can build a steady stream of income without constantly checking your stock portfolio okay so you're all in and you want to learn more here's my secret public is my go-to platform for all things investing on public you can find dividend generating stocks earn 4.1 apy with their high yield cash account
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and buy corporate bonds and treasuries with great interest rates on public you can even build a treasury ladder which will lock in yields with staggered maturities for a steady passive income stream and on public you can look at your income hub where you can view your monthly breakdown of your earnings from every income generating asset you own so you know how your money is working for you
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This brings me to today's tip you can take straight to the bank. To get started with Public, just head over to public.com slash money rehab, which is also linked in the show notes.
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Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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And when the bond reaches its maturity date, you get your original investment back plus that interest. Now, before we get into different types of bonds, let's break down some key terms. When you learn about bonds, you're going to hear the term maturity period thrown out a bunch. I mean, as you just noticed, I said it a second ago.
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A bond's maturity period is essentially how long your money will be invested and earning interest. The next term you should know is yield. This is the return you earn on a bond expressed as a percentage. It's calculated by taking the bond's annual interest payments and dividing it by the bond's current price.
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It's me talking about public again, obviously. Are you surprised? It is my favorite brokerage after all. By now you know Public is the only place I personally buy bonds. If you haven't heard my spiel, in the olden days, I would buy treasuries through the government website and it would always take forever. And also the branding was horrible.
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Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more money rehab. So as the company and the space has grown, there's obviously been new players in the space, Books, Bloom Nation. How much M&A activity are you thinking about? Is your trigger finger itchy? What do you think about these new business models in the flower space?
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So some of the redundancies are taken out.
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Tell me more about that.
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You're saying that the economy, as it's slowed down, as the market has gotten tighter, as the debt markets have closed up, it's harder to raise money. It's harder for some of these startups to get the traction that they would have otherwise potentially had.
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So the cost of paper, the cost of bringing on debt for companies has gotten a lot more expensive.
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And what do you think the ramification of that is going to be? And what do you see in the overall space? Do you think some of these smaller, I guess, comparatively, companies will get acquired, will go bankrupt? What's your prediction?
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I typically end interviews asking my guests for a money tip they can take straight to the bank. But from you, I'd love to hear the best tip around how listeners can score a deal on Valentine's Day flowers next year. Should people order delivery for the day before or are there any hacks to get a cheaper rate?
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Between us girls.
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Okay, Jim. I love that. And you saved on shipping costs or delivery.
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You're the best. Thanks, Jim.
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Happy Valentine's to you. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehabatmoneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a
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It kind of looked like the Toys R Us website back in the day. But with Public, it's simple and easy to invest in treasuries right from your phone. There are literally thousands of bonds to choose from on Public, not just government bonds, corporate bonds too. You can use Public for more than just your bond investments, of course.
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Happy, happy, happy Valentine's Day. And listen, let's be real. I know Valentine's Day isn't all hearts and roses and chocolate for everyone. So if Valentine's Day is not your favorite holiday, I am sending you so much love and I would be thrilled to be your Valentine. Plus, today is not only Valentine's Day, it is also the Super Bowl. Not the literal NFL Super Bowl, that was Sunday.
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But if you're in the flower industry, today is your Super Bowl. To give us the scoop on this sneak attack complicated flower business is Jim McCann, founder and executive chairman of 1-800-Flowers.com. And spoiler alert, Jim has maybe one of the best answers for the tip you can take straight to the bank question... ever. So listen till the end. Jim McCann, welcome to Money Rehab.
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So early. Was it like four or five in the morning?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
It is, to be fair, in the middle of the day in Europe and the closing bell in Asia. Yeah.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Oh, Jim, can you come back every day? Stop it some more. That's really kind. That's really kind.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Well, you had left a great impression on me and so impressed by everything that you've built. This is our Valentine's Day episode. You and I are chatting on a day when 1-800-Flowers.com had earnings and you beat them, by the way, and the stock is up. You went public in 1999, so almost 25 years ago. Does this stuff still faze you?
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I'm sure Valentine's Day must be what top day, top three biggest days of the year for 1-800-Flowers.com.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Maybe biggest roses day? Yeah.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
15 million roses. So what would the cost of that be?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Inflation hasn't impacted?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Did you hear that, boys? No excuses.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Should you buy 1-800-Flowers.com stock for your significant other or somebody you love or flowers?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Wait a minute. Hold on. So you would say that would be the best investment for a partner would be the actual flowers.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Even though your stock is obviously going to go up.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
So how big is the flower industry in general? How much do roses account for it? And then how much does your business account for the overall shebang?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
So this leads me perfectly to my next question. Can you tell us a little bit more about the model for the company? You alluded to it, but I'd love to double click. Do you own land worldwide? Do you oversee the planting and harvesting? Are you working with smaller florists and only touching orders and delivery?
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Like a marketplace, you said that for Valentine's Day, you're starting to work with growers 14 weeks in advance. But can you give me a sense of how that all fits into the overall model?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Indeed, let's take a step back for a second flowers you mentioned are of course perishable. And this might resonate with some of our listeners that have businesses or thinking about businesses in other perishable goods markets.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
You have probably heard me call myself the fee police because I hate, hate, hate fees. It makes it really hard to stay on budget, which then can delay our financial progress. When we're trying to make progress, life's curve balls often feel like taking one step forward and two steps back.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
So this means you have a very small window of time to sell your product, so to speak, what do you think the biggest challenges and what have you learned to overcome a perishable business making that successful?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
Oh, OK. These would be analogous to people who are starting food companies, too. I mean, a lot of weather challenges.
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And those pears are very pretty. I always look at them and I'm like, wait, are these real ones or fake ones?
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
And that's a really smart partnership to get some of the excess inventory. But I don't you don't need me to tell you. So I'm just thinking a little bit more about all these weather forces. When I was at CNBC, when we met and NBC, And VCO, of course, was a parent company. And the Weather Channel was part of the family.
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Inside a Florist's Valentine's Day with Jim McCann, Founder & Chairman at 1-800 Flowers.com
And so I did a lot of segments for the Weather Channel and just talking about how interconnected finance Wall Street is with weather patterns and trends. Sure is. Yeah. This could be a good lesson for even newbie investors to pay attention to some of these trends because it could dictate where you put your money during what certain times.
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So take a pause. I mean, when any cuckoo crazy stuff goes on, it's better to take a pause. Go through a breakup. You have a market issue. Nobody regrets a pause. Right. Ray Dalio warning about a sovereign debt crisis in the midst of all this. Do you buy that argument? What's the probability?
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So the probability you'd assign to a U.S. debt crisis in the next five or 10 years is zero?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So do you think Ray needs a hug?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
I mean, when we talk about this number, though, Steve, $9 trillion in treasuries is a lot to finance.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So that number doesn't scare you more than subprime mortgages did in 2007?
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Does anything scare you right now?
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Well, I'm glad that you mentioned that he did campaign on this. We knew this. This wasn't a surprise. I think the thing people are most concerned about is the extent with which he did it. This wasn't a scalpel. This was a hatchet.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
People thought there would be tariffs, just not this aggressive.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more money rehab. So we opened the door, Steve, up to a little 2008 discussion. Some reporters are out there. I'm sure you've seen them all.
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So in what ways do you think that this moment is similar or dissimilar to 08?
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Yeah, you're mourning paper losses in this case. And back then you were worried about getting anything out.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Now we're just like, oh, well, my portfolio isn't up 20%. I've lost money.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Yeah, but I don't even know if Dave's $7 million was some paper gain that he rejoiced and he thought he had. Did he actually lose money? The most important gains in the market are the days you buy and sell.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Yeah, but mourning paper losses, rejoicing paper gains is a tricky business to be in.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So in 08, the crash was about excessive leverage, systemic risk, hiding in plain sight.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Well, one of the reasons you were able to see what no one else did in 08 is you were looking at these primary sources, right? You were going to Phoenix. You were going to Miami. You were seeing this stuff with your own eyes. You were looking past the headlines. And was Twitter around then? Twitter was around then.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
You were looking past, presumably, I don't know if you were looking at tweets at the time.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
But the usual talking points, and that's harder to do now, especially when everybody, you know, with a TikTok account can call themselves a financial advisor because they stayed at a Holiday Inn once. So where would you tell new retail investors to go to assess an investment opportunity?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So what are you looking at now?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Is 2008 repeating itself? That is the question I keep seeing in the headlines, and today I'm talking to the perfect person to answer that question. Steve Eisman doesn't need much of an introduction. He is the investor who famously saw what no one else saw in 2008 and bet against the market before the crash. He was immortalized in the movie The Big Short.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Do you think there is an issue with the housing market?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
And why would they give that up?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
think that they're going to get back to three, though. And I think that it's important to- Well, if things get back to three, that would be very bad for everybody.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Okay. So can you unpack that? Because we had unnaturally low interest rates, right? Back in the 80s, there were 20%. Six doesn't look that bad. I also learned in first grade that 20 is a lot more than six, which is a lot more than three. A lot more.
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Next to nothing. When we had next to zero interest rates, that was because we were facing Armageddon. We were facing the end of the world.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So because these are emergency extraordinary measures.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So an inventory problem.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Well, we'll have to watch a 10 year, which is I think I think looking at how yields are reacting is a really fascinating part of this whole story.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
He was portrayed by Steve Carell in that movie, so kind of a big deal. Now he's talking about what he's seeing in the current market on his podcast, The Eisman Playbook, and today right here on Money Rehab. So I asked him the big question, is this history repeating itself? And he answers that and a lot more.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So just to clarify, when you say de-risk to our listeners who are nervous, maybe even panicking, de-risk means scooting more over into fixed income into U.S. treasuries, right?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So having the dry powder, are you waiting for a 2,000 point drop?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Well, when this has happened before, 87 we mentioned, and 08 in 2020, the next five years have gone up 100%.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
It sucks. All right, Steve, we end our episodes by asking all of our guests for one tip that listeners can take straight to the bank.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Straight. To the banks that still exist, that are still standing. Straight to Jamie Davies.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
He tells me whether he thinks we're on track for a recession, where he sees opportunities in this market, what he thinks Trump is going to do next, and his advice for new investors. Steve Eisman, welcome to Money Rehab.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
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Damn, it's been a week. How are you doing?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Yeah, no, I haven't looked at the news lately. Who do you think needs a hug right now?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Yeah, I need a hug. I mean, for those who haven't listened to Steve's podcast yet, The Eisenman Playbook, please run, don't walk, and listen. You and your team talk about the story of 08, where you guys met with the CEO of Wamuu, who knew you were short their stock. And as soon as you walked in, you said, you look like you need a hug.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
A lot of people need a hug these days. It goes a long way. I want to do some time travel back to 08, but I want to start with where we are right now.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
We're talking on Thursday, April 10th, and I preface this because every day is some big move.
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Every hour. You need Valium or a drink or I don't know.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
That too. So is that what you suggest? I mean, this week, the market dropped 10% on Trump's tariffs, rallied 9%. We are back down 5%, I think, at the time we're talking. Is this a relief rally that we're going to settle into? Or is this more of a bear market? What is going on?
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Well, the VIX, the sort of fear index has been up for a while. P's have been high. Multiples have been high. There's been a lot of warning signs flashing across the market for a while now, even before all the tweets on tariffs and announcements on tariffs. Do you think even if we didn't have all this tariff drama, we were bound for a correction anyway?
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I mean, historically, we've had a correction every couple of years anyway. So, of course, 10 percent.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
I mean, do you think that the market was sick?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So you have said that you thought if tariffs continued, we'd be in a global recession. They have paused for 90 days now. Do you still think that?
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Is China rational?
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And in that case, are we still going to be okay? You said on CNBC recently.
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
I mean, you were short everything in 08. You said you're long only now. How long is long? In other words, how long do you think this bear market vibe session is going to last?
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OK, let's talk about an underlying issue here that you've talked about before. It was cool. I did an episode this week about the theory that tariffs weren't about a trade war. They were about a yield war that a crash in the market would mean people would essentially flock to bonds and yields would drop. And that would help the government refinance the nine trillion dollars of debt.
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Do you think it's a conspiracy theory or do you think that's what's going on? Because I haven't dropped.
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So it's weird. What's going on?
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So you think yields will go down?
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Do you think it's also potentially people are covering the losses from the market by selling bonds?
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Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
So rates will go down. Sounds like that's inevitable. We don't know when. The president thinks he controls the Fed. He does not. But he can sort of force the hand and put pressure on it. You said on your podcast that if the goal is for rates to go down, then perhaps looking at investing in assets that benefit from lower rates, like homebuilders or real estate, could be a move.
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How is that view complicated by rates not cooperating?
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Sell it at a loss. Sell it at a gain. You say pay taxes.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Are We Back to 2008? With The Big Short's Steve Eisman
Well, you said you're along for a few months, presumably when we get more clarity on tariffs. And then what happens after that? Are you short?
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But wouldn't you buy stuff when things are not better?
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My very first gig in financial reporting was from the pit at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, where commodities like coffee, oil, gold and even frozen concentrated orange juice are traded. And yes, I thought they were messing with me when they said I'd be working at the stock exchange that sold orange juice. Apparently they were not. Fun times.
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The most relevant commodity of your portfolio will likely be gold. But with everybody talking about egg prices like they're the new Bitcoin, it's a pretty good time to become well-versed in commodities as an asset class. So coffee, oil, gold, OJ, eggs. What is the through line here? A commodity is something that you can touch that can be easily exchanged one for another or for cash.
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And oddly on brand with this egg thing, commodities come in two flavors, hard and soft. Soft commodities include anything that has to be grown or harvested. So think soybeans, cotton, cattle, and yes, for the last time, I promise, eggs. Hard commodities are resources extracted from the earth like palladium, silver, platinum, gold, crude oil, natural gas. So what the heck does this mean for you?
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Well, you don't have to be working on the floor of the Merc to invest in commodities. Commodities have long been a popular investment for people looking to diversify their portfolios beyond traditional stocks and bonds. I mentioned gold earlier, so let's double click on that. Gold has often been seen as a safe haven asset, especially during times of economic uncertainty. From 1971, when the U.S.
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left the gold standard, to today, gold has delivered an average annual return of about 7.8%, according to data from the World Gold Council. In the words of J.P. Morgan, gold is money and nothing else. When people are stressed about the future, they flock to gold. Plus, gold historically has been a good hedge against inflation.
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In finance, hedges are all about protecting yourself against future losses, like a strategic form of insurance. However, gold's performance is highly cyclical, often surging during economic downturns and stagnating or declining in periods of growth. So while it's not constant, it is predictable. But not all commodities are like that.
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Commodities like oil and agricultural products typically have significant price swings, which can mean big gains, but also big losses. Oil specifically has been one of the most volatile commodities. Historical returns on crude oil have been all over the place, largely due to geopolitical tensions, supply demand dynamics and technological changes in energy production.
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Between 2000 and 2008, for example, crude oil prices skyrocketed by nearly 600 percent before crashing during the global financial crisis. Since then, oil prices have seen a roller coaster of highs and lows, which have been perpetuated by world events like the pandemic and the war in the Middle East. A lot of factors impact the price of oil, which is globally traded in U.S. dollars.
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So fluctuations in the value of the U.S. dollar can also directly impact oil prices. It's a little wonky, but imagine the global oil market as an international carnival where all the rides and games are priced in tickets, US dollars. Now imagine people from different countries come to this carnival with their own currencies and they need to exchange them for tickets, dollars at the entrance.
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When the US dollar is strong, it's like the ticket booth is raising its prices. People from other countries find that their currency buys them fewer tickets, dollars, making the rides and the games, oil, more expensive for them. As a result, they might decide to spend less and go on fewer rides. Conversely, when the U.S. dollar is weak, it's like the ticket booth is offering a discount.
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Now people from other countries get more tickets, dollars, for their currency, making the rides and games, oil, cheaper. They might decide to enjoy more rides since they can afford more. The strength of the U.S. economy affects the dollar like the reputation of the carnival affects ticket sales. If the carnival, U.S.
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economy, is seen as exciting and well-managed, more people want to come, and demand for the tickets, dollars, increases, making them more valuable. But if the carnival seems poorly managed or uninteresting, fewer people come, and the value of the tickets, dollars, may decrease.
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Also, as a side note here, even if you don't end up investing in oil or commodities, following geopolitical happenings never hurts. And one of the big players to keep your eye on is OPEC or the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which is made up of oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and Venezuela.
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Since they control basically all of the world's oil supply, their moves can lead to a decrease in the global oil supply, potentially driving up oil prices. Higher oil prices can lead to increased costs for transportation and manufacturing, impacting various industries and consumer prices. Conversely, lower oil prices can reduce costs for businesses and consumers.
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Predictable and stable policies from OPEC can contribute to market stability, while unexpected changes or conflicts within OPEC can cause the market to go cuckoo bananas. That is not a financial linguist term. So despite the somewhat volatile nature of commodities, you'll notice that a lot of MVP investors keep them in their portfolios.
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Should You Invest in Commodities? Here’s the Tea (and the Oil and the Gold…)
If you heard Tuesday's episode, you might have clocked that Ray Dalio's now famous all weather portfolio calls for 7.5% gold and 7.5% in other commodities. But let's just state the obvious here. How the heck do you invest in commodities? Clearly, not everyone is buying gold bars and oil drums, but there are other options.
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One option is to invest in companies that produce or sell commodities like mining firms or oil producers. This gives you indirect exposure while still benefiting from commodity price movements. Exxon, for example, is an oil and gas company, both commodities. American Water Works, a publicly traded utility company, is another example. But you know what I'm going to say about this.
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Stock picking can be risky. If you're investing in individual commodity-based companies, you need to understand both the company and the industry. Exxon isn't just about oil. They've got a history of oil spills and refinery explosions. And if your all-weather portfolio is holding 7% of a stock that's tanking, well, that's not so all-weather.
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So a popular route is to invest in commodity-focused ETFs or mutual funds, which provide exposure without the hassle of storage and security. You could also look into commodity futures contracts, but those are also pretty complex and risky, so they're generally better suited for experienced traders. And there you have it. That's the quick and dirty masterclass on commodities.
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If you want to know more, you know where to find it. My new book, The Money School. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you have any nice jewelry that's been appraised for insurance, take a moment to check when that appraisal was done. If it was done more than five years ago, it might be time for an update.
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No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Chime checking account required. Go to chime.com slash disclosures for details. And now for some more money rehab. I think we need to really just discuss what Trump actually did this week. The highlights are, I'll just read these, 10% baseline tariffs across most countries, new reciprocal tariffs, notably an additional 34% on Chinese goods, 20% on the EU, 32% on Taiwan.
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A lot of economists are trying to predict whether these are going to be
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good or bad or what it reminds me of my favorite uh parable that i will get to so a lot of economists are worried that this is going to end you a lot of progress that has been curbing inflation you have another take i know stanford and harvard and all the fancy school professors are yelling at you on twitter i refuse to say x by the way but they're yelling at you because of your take on this
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Because when you start digging into what happens after big tariffs hit, you start seeing phrases like supply chain shock, inflation spike, and my personal favorite, global trade war. Tariffs can be a double-edged sword. They're meant to protect domestic industry, but they can also hike prices for consumers. They can rattle markets, as we've seen.
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It's a lot of billions of dollars, for sure. I mean, I thought it was a negotiating tactic, too, and I'm still waiting for, it to manifest that way for Trump to say, psych, just kidding, we're good.
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They can strain relationships with global trading partners, too. And while it's easy to say buy American, it's a lot harder to do when your grocery bill jumps and that iPhone you were planning to upgrade to suddenly costs 20% more. So today I'm going to ask the big question I think we all are thinking, will these tariffs help the U.S. economy or hurt the U.S. economy?
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I know, but they're like our homies. Yeah.
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There are three main things that he's trying to do. Right. To move more manufacturing back to the United States, which benefits the middle class American industry, in theory, to make trade more fair by lowering trade deficits and to create more revenue. If you say inflation is not going to happen, what do you think is going to happen?
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Isn't Canada the one sending fentanyl?
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OK, so four of them. So do you think tariffs are going to accomplish any of those?
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And to help me unpack all of this, I'm joined by my friend, investor, author, money rehab alum, James Altucher. James argues that these tariffs might not be the inflation bomb people are afraid of, and that they could, in fact, create new leverage for the U.S. in future trade deals. I play devil's advocate, of course.
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Yeah, I mean, if we're calling off reciprocal tariffs, then it's more of a short-term trade war strategy than actually a long-term play to move manufacturing to the United States. Because if we did that, there's a lot of other stuff that would need to go right. There would need to be factories that were built. People need to be hired and trained.
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There will probably need to be some sort of incentive to hire workers instead of investing in tech that could replace human labor, right? So a lot is happening in the economy right now. And a lot would need to go right for that goal to be accomplished.
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And then James and I zoom out and talk about what these tariffs could mean for the stock market, for jobs, inflation, Bitcoin, and of course, the big one, a recession. James Altucher, welcome back to Money Rehab.
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But maybe getting higher minimum wage? I mean, the chatter is that a higher minimum wage might offset some of the economic fallout of the adjustments to higher tariffs.
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I mean, I don't know if people necessarily care where inflation is coming from. They just care. Like, are they going to pay more for that? You know, proverbial basket that we talk about when we talk about inflation.
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So there's only what if there is extra money because of it?
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I mean, I don't know, James, when you talk about going to buy gift cards to buy food and stuff like that, that screams like recessionary vibes. Are you net net saying that we're past the point of no return for a recession?
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Okay, this reminds me of my favorite parable. We're going to have story time for a second. You probably know this. Let me know if you do. It's about a Chinese farmer who lived in the mountains and spent all his days with his son and his horse farming his fields to make a living. Okay? Do you know this one?
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Okay. Our producer Morgan hadn't heard it yet. Maybe some of our listeners haven't either. But it reminded me when you were talking about whether or not this is good or bad. We don't know. Time will tell. In this parable, a farmer's horse ran away and everyone in the town said to him, you must be devastated. You lost your horse and now you cannot plow your fields. The farmer replied very casually.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. The next day, not only did the horse return, he brought two stallions with him. The people in the town rushed to the farmer and said, That's great! You must be so happy! You now have three horses and you have just become one of the richest farmers in the land! The farmer replied casually again, Maybe yes, maybe no.
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Soon after the farmer's son was trained, the stallions and one of the new horses reared up and landed on the boy's leg, breaking it. Now the townspeople came to the farmer and said, you must be so devastated. Your boy broke his leg and now he cannot help with the chores. The farmer once again responded, maybe yes, maybe no. It's almost over.
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Days later, war broke out and the sons of all the farmers were sent to fight. all except the boy who broke his leg. The townspeople said to the farmer, you must be so happy your son does not have to go to war. And the farmer replied, maybe yes, maybe no. And the story continues. Time will tell, right? Maybe yes, this will be a good thing. Maybe no, we don't have all the information.
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all of Europe was awake all of Asia was awake it was just the U.S.
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that was like getting up that's true yeah I should realize there's a there's a global world out there big bad world out there all of your adoring fans all over the world well we're talking on liberation day whoo how was your liberation day I you know I don't feel like it was any different than yesterday like I don't feel liberated do you feel liberated I I mean, I feel scared.
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I actually, can we look at our portfolios for a second today? What is your portfolio down today? You know, I tell people like don't mourn paper losses, but I do still.
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Yeah, I feel like there is an access or an invisible string between Goldman and the Treasury Department.
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Even with all the... Oh, particularly with tariffs.
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Yeah. No, it feels very deja vu to me. I'm down like 4%. And I've wiped out more than half of my gains the last four years.
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What about Costco? They have less skews and aren't great at that type of pivot.
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You can also get glasses there in your old age like me. You could get so many things at Costco. I do own some Costco. Okay, how about NVIDIA?
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But for all the AI that you're talking about, you're going to need compute.
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Yeah, but you're going to need energy. So what about nuclear?
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Long term? I mean, it's taken a beat down as well lately.
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I mean, yeah, because nobody also wants it in their backyard. So are there specific ones that you like? Like... SMR. OKLO, the Sam Altman one, Constellation. What was the one you said?
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Yeah, because there's fusion and fission. Whatever. We can have a whole other episode about this.
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All right. Let's round it out. How about Amazon? Maybe the new parent company of TikTok?
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Like last minute bid. I think the deadline is this weekend.
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Wait, I haven't followed you on TikTok. Are you dancing on there? You would be great.
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I think you could have like a hair TikTok. I have so many questions about your hair.
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Is it real or is it AI? We don't know.
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All right, James, we end all of our episodes, as you know, by asking our guests for a tip that listeners can take straight to the bank. I'm an elder millennial. Wait, what are you, Jen?
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Okay, so from a Gen Xer, what would you tell the kids these days? One thing.
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Angry at the market, angry at life, angry enough to, you know, angry at others, cyber truck.
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It does feel bad right now. Not everything is in the red. I think my entire portfolio is basically in the red. But we do have like some Johnson and Johnson, some P&G, some boring consumer staples, defensive stocks that are still up. They were kind of dogs over the last few years. But now they're, of course, feeling some love. That's what people do.
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Yeah, it's hard to not mourn paper losses and it's hard not to rejoice paper gains. You know, the two most important days that you're invested are the days you buy and the days you sell. And the rest of it is noise because, you know, just like your house, you can watch Zillow porn all day long and look at the value. But is somebody going to pay that? Yes, maybe.
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Okay, let's look at, what is it? You didn't answer.
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Because you live in a big, fancy house. Why did she say that?
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Yeah, I mean, no, I know you've had some bouts of depression during those troughs and coming back out of it is definitely really hard. I lost my house, as you know, earlier this year, which was a personal trough for myself.
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But what I realized through that is that the things that I thought were security, like a house, you know, some people think a job, a certain amount in your portfolio, all of those things that I assumed would give me safety and security actually didn't. No, but in a second.
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Yeah. The only certainty is uncertainty. I think the thing people want to know right now, just like bottom line, are tariffs good or bad?
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Right. But you argue that Trump's tariffs are more strategic in comparison, right?
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So the- Yeah, you came on the show, I think, around that time, which sounds adorable in hindsight, because inflation would later go to 8%.
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Totally. But they're not like printing money for funsies, right? So riddle me this. Printing money is a downstream effect of a ton of other macroeconomic factors, whether it's war or layoffs or unemployment. You know, people start borrowing money. Interest rates go down. Inflation goes up. Isn't that a possibility? No.
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Will the New Tariffs Tank the Economy?
Well, I mean, maybe that happens in a vacuum, but the federal government is not just printing money for their health. I mean, in economic times when people are upset and they're crying recession, like now, maybe they're printing money. It's not just because they can. I mean, listen, if I could print money, I totally would.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Will the New Tariffs Tank the Economy?
It's in response to Trump's Liberation Day tariffs, sweeping international tariffs that I'm going to dig into today. Trump says these tariffs will be good for American workers, that it will bring manufacturing back home, lower the trade deficit and generate revenue. But will it?
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Will the New Tariffs Tank the Economy?
But I think we should step back because I think we need to really just discuss what Trump actually did this week. Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. You know what I say about financial progress? Every step, even baby steps, get you closer to the finish line of your financial goals. When you open a time checking account, you are one step closer to a better financial future.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
While you're binging the pod, how about a little bonus tip? As a starting place for your investment allocation that you can, of course, tailor depending on your goals, pros recommend making your bond allocation your age. How about a second bonus tip? When you want to invest in bonds, use Public, the modern brokerage for investors looking for a simple yet sophisticated investing experience.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some money rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, moneyrehab at moneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one-on-one intervention with me.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And follow us on Instagram at Money News and TikTok at Money News Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
So if you need a cheat sheet when it comes time to make your first investment, I'm also going to include a doc in the show notes that summarizes all of this good info. So let's start at square one. In order to invest, you're going to need a brokerage account. A brokerage is essentially a middleman or middlewoman institution between you and the stock market.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
When you want to buy or sell stocks, you can't just walk into the New York Stock Exchange and shout your order like in the old days.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
you can't invest through your bank account either and you definitely cannot invest in apple stock at the apple store a brokerage is really the only way to get this done and a brokerage can be a firm or an online platform for the most part if you're over 18 and live in the united states you can open a us-based brokerage account if you're under 18 you'll need a custodial account which is a brokerage account opened by a parent or a guardian
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
But there are some eligibility restrictions. For example, there are limitations for non-U.S. citizens. So if you're an international money rehabber, you're probably going to need to do a little more digging to find the right brokerage account for you. Also, if you have a history of violating brokerage policies, obviously you are going to be given a hard time when trying to create a new account.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Public is truly the only place I buy bonds, legit, because every other app or site I've tried to use is so complicated. But on Public, I can buy a bond on my iPhone in less than five minutes. This is a major upgrade because most investing platforms that offer bonds design their user experience before the iPhone was even invented. I'll let that one sink in.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Just saying. But just like a bank or a credit card, there are a ton of different options when it comes to choosing a brokerage. I like public because I like the interface. It's good for investing in stocks and bonds and treasuries. It's easy. My producer Morgan uses Vanguard. I started at Schwab. There are a bunch of them, and honestly, their capabilities are all pretty similar.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
When you're looking around, I would specifically recommend that you ask for these three functions. Number one, does the brokerage offer fractional investing? Some brokerages offer fractional shares, which means you can buy a portion of a share rather than having to buy the full share at a time.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
This is great if you want to invest in expensive stocks like Berkshire Hathaway Class A, which is currently trading at over $600,000 a share. So with fractional investing, you could invest in Berkshire if you had 20 bucks that you wanted to invest. But if your brokerage does not offer fractional investing, you won't be able to invest in Berkshire unless you pony up 600k for one share. So
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I personally like using brokerages that offer fractional investing just to keep more options open. Number two, does the brokerage offer robo-advisors? When you think of robo-advisors, don't picture a Wally-type robot taking over your financial chores. Robo-advisors are AI-backed programs that brokerages used before AI was mainstream.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Opting into a robo-advisor means that you're telling the brokerage that you want their algorithms to make informed investing decisions for you.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
this means you won't have to buy or sell stocks yourself all you have to do is note your financial goals and your risk tolerance and the robo advisor program will make investments for you based on that profile so if you're super into investing and you want to do all of your transactions yourself then you won't really care about robo advisors but if you want to have someone at your brokerage help you buy and trade stocks and funds using a robo advisor is cheaper than talking to a real human broker
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Opting into a brokerage's robo-advisor program will mean that you're charged on average 0.5% of assets under management. If you opted into a brokerage's program with a human advisor, you'll likely be charged on average 1% of assets under management.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I know it's only half a little baby percentage difference, which doesn't sound like a lot, but the big picture is investing with a human investor will cost you double than what it costs you to work with a robo-advisor, and that really adds up. And the last one, number three, do you have to deposit a minimum chunk of cash in order to open an account?
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
You don't have to be a millionaire in order to invest, and you definitely don't need to be a millionaire in order to open a brokerage account. But different brokerages have different requirements when it comes to how to fund your brokerage for the first time.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
So you'll want to make sure before you start going through the process of setting up the account that the brokerage doesn't have a higher minimum to set up the account than you're comfortable with. And if you need more help getting oriented, I'll touch on some more broker recs at the end of the episode.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
When you make your pick, you're going to find that opening a brokerage account is pretty straightforward, and it's probably going to remind you of when you opened up a bank account. You're going to need to enter in all of your personal information, you know, your full name, your address, your date of birth, your social security number, all that jazz.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
You'll also need to take an extra verification step by giving your driver's license number or your passport number. Next, you'll need to give some background financial information. You'll probably need to share some information on your income, your net worth, and your investing goals. Once your account is set up, the next step is to fund it with money from your bank account.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And you can use Public for more than your bond investments. Public is the brokerage I use for all my investing needs, whether I'm looking for stocks, ETFs, a high-yield cash account, options, and other assets to build the multi-asset portfolio of your dreams. go to public.com slash money rehab. One more time, because trust you will thank me, public.com slash money rehab.
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Most brokerages offer several methods for funding your account. The easiest way, in my opinion, is to just do a bank transfer, which is where you link your bank account to your brokerage account and transfer funds electronically. You can also do a wire transfer, which is faster, but you'll have to pay the wire fee, which I don't think necessarily is worth it.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I'll take the free option eight days a week. You can also mail a check to fund your brokerage account, but who writes checks anymore? You should know that depending on which method you choose to fund the account, it could take a day or two for that money to hit the account. So as excited as I know you'll be on day one, you might not be able to start investing the day you fund your account.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Once your account is officially funded, you can buy your first stock or your first fund. And let me double click on this point. I have talked to people who put money into their brokerage account and think that that means they're invested in the stock market. That is not true.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And that would be like if you decided to bake a delicious cake and so you bought all of these delicious ingredients, but you called it a day. Funding a brokerage just allows you the option to buy stocks, but you still need to buy them. You still need to bake the cake.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
i talk a lot about s p 500 index funds on the show so i'll use that as an example for an investment but what you choose to invest in will totally depend on your goals and your financial picture okay so now for the nitty gritty blocking and tackling you can't just go into your brokerage account and search s p 500 index funds and be done you're going to need to know the ticker symbol which is essentially the nickname or the address that funds or public companies get so that you can find them easily
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
For example, Apple's ticker symbol is AAPL. There are some clever ones like Harley Davidson's ticker is HOG and Cheesecake Factory's ticker is CAKE. When it comes to S&P 500 index funds, there are a few options, but they're all pretty similar. SPY is a popular one, but I'll go with VOO for this made up example.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I like VOO because it has a lower expense ratio than SPY, which essentially means more of your investing returns stay in your pocket. And so let's say you're investing in VOO. You'll go to your brokerage online or in an app and you'll search for that ticker symbol VOO. There you'll get to a landing page for the stock. And then it's time to choose how much you want to invest and how.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And when I say how, I mean that the brokerage will ask you to choose your order type. This is an area that trips some people up. Sometimes it causes people to stop in their tracks altogether, but that's not going to be you. We got this. Here's the breakdown. You'll be given the choice between a market order or a limit order.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
A market order means you're buying a stock at whatever the current price is. It is fast, it is straightforward, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee the price you'll pay. And here's what I mean by that. Say your brokerage allows for fractional investing and you want to invest $100 in VOO. At the time I'm recording this, VOO is trading at more than $500, but let's just call it an even $500.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
If you do a market order, your $100 would be invested in VOO, whether it's trading at the $500 mark still, or if it shoots up to $1,000, or if it goes down to $200. Whatever the price is, you'll own $100 of VOO. A limit order, however, lets you base your transaction around a ceiling for the stock price. Let me decode that.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
So if you decide that you want to take that $100 and do a limit order, you'll need to set a maximum price that basically tells your brokerage, OK, I want to invest in VOO, but only if the price is $500 or better. So if VOO jumps and starts trading at $600, the order wouldn't go through. The ceiling that you set doesn't have to be $500. It could be anything. You make the rules.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
A limit order gives you more control over the price of the stock when you buy it, but it also might take longer for the order to go through if the stock price is moving up and down. In my opinion, limit orders matter way more when you're selling a stock versus when you're buying a stock. And when I invest, I typically just do a market order.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
If your brokerage doesn't allow fractional investing, this could get a little annoying with the choreography of limit orders specifically, which is another reason I like brokerages that allow for fractional investing. So let's say we place a market order for $100 of VOO. When you buy or sell a stock, the transaction doesn't always complete instantly. It could take a few days to settle.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
During this time, your money sits in what's called a settlement fund. Think of this as stock limbo until the transaction settles. This is also probably where your money is going to sit after you fund the account, but before you make an investment. The super rad thing about settlement funds is that many brokerages will have their settlement fund be a money market fund.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
Money market funds are a type of fund that contains short term, high quality debt securities. Okay, so without the jargon, that means low risk investments that can turn into cash easily. So money market funds typically have treasuries and CDs. Those are the debt securities investments that basically offer a low risk way to park cash temporarily.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
So money market funds aren't going to change your financial life. Let me be clear that they are an investment. So when your money is sitting in your settlement fund, not invested yet, it's still earning some interest, meaning it is probably working harder for you than it would have been in your regular bank account. And that's before you even start investing. So I love that.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
but back to settlement funds while your purchase is going through your money will just be hanging out in the settlement fund and then when your purchase goes through boom you have made your first investment now this is technically everything you need to know in order to invest but i want to take it one step further just so you know everything you need to know about making money from investments because that's the whole point of this right at the most basic level there are two ways to make money from a stock
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
first are from dividends. Dividends are payments from a public company to its shareholders, usually in the form of cash or additional shares. So it's essentially a thank you to investors. Not all companies pay them, but those who do typically distribute them on a regular basis, quarterly, semiannually or annually. Dividends can be a nice source of passive income.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
For example, if you own shares in a company that pays a dividend of $2 per share annually and you own 50 shares, then you'll receive 100 bucks in dividends every single year. And I give that example intentionally because while dividends are amazing and I love passive income, dividends aren't going to make you rich. The more common way to get rich from investments is to sell your investments.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And this is one of the most essential rules of investing. Your brokerage account is not your bank account. For your bank account, what you see is what you get. If you have 100 bucks in there, you have 100 bucks. Simple as that. That money is not going anywhere until you spend it.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
For your brokerage account, what you see is not what you get, because what you see will probably change every week, every day, every hour, every minute that the stock market is open. If your portfolio is worth $100,000, you aren't guaranteed those six figures forever. The market could go down. Or if you're picking individual stocks, which you probably know I'm not into by now,
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
And one of the companies that you've invested in files for bankruptcy. That money is gone. The only way to actually make money in your brokerage account, yours, period. The end is to sell the investment. But here's the trick. Historically, the stock market goes up 8% year over year. So the longer you're invested, the better.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I know I just said the most significant way to get rich from your investments is to sell your investments. And that is true. But if you've made smart and sound investments, the longer you hold on to them, the more you'll be able to sell them for. I know it is a mind you know what, but it doesn't have to be. The name of the game is to pick the investments that are favored to grow over time.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
The later, the longer, the better. And when you pick that investment that's right for you, now you know how to buy it. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. I told you at the end of the episode, I'd circle back to a recommendation for investing. If you're looking for guidance on where to open a brokerage account, I'd check out Public, which I've linked in the show notes.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
I've been wanting to work with Public for a while now because they're my favorite brokerage app. So I've been stocking them and recently I wore them down. So now we're teaming up.
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
public offers a lot of things that i think are helpful for new investors fractional investing stocks and funds and their interface for bond investing is truly the best i have ever seen and one last thing quickly i am super proud of you investing in the stock market is investing in yourself and that's the money move that will pay the most dividends over time
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Simple Step-by-Step Guide for Making Your First Investment
My DMs are always open for questions, as I hope you know. And probably the most common question I get isn't what to invest in, but how to invest. So I'm going to walk you through step by step how to make your first investment. And I'm going to be thorough here.
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Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
So I have written, count them, five books now. But each time I'm in the writing process, I stay at an Airbnb. I love to stay at an Airbnb. When I was actually first launching this show, I was at an Airbnb in Arizona. It was so peaceful. It was stunning. I could be productive and comfortable. The Airbnb was also surrounded by a ton of javelinas.
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I know that there's so much in the economy that's beyond our control right now. And so it makes me feel so much better that I can have control over my own little micro economy and do things that will help me and my credit score.
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Can you walk us through what you think really happened?
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Yeah, he had a thing called effective altruism, right? That sounds delightful.
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So there were a lot of green flags for you. There were these famous athletes who put their name behind it. There was the PayPal mafia. There was, you know, Forbes 30 under 30. Like they were doing all the big marketing things. They checked a lot of boxes. In hindsight though, were there any red flags or gut feelings that you had that you pushed aside at the time?
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Totally. And hindsight is it's always 2020. But there were a lot of young founders at the time that didn't go to jail, to be fair. How much ultimately did you end up investing in FTX and over what timeframe?
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I see. So outside of what you had in FTX, the market was going down. There were some leverage issues, it sounds like. So you were just in the red in general. And so the max you had in FTX was 250. You were able to get like 45K or so out at the time. What was that like? Was there some delay or hurdle there?
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So you thought that it would, you know, freeze for a few days and come back. Exactly.
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It never came back. And so it sounds like the group of friends you had were all bullish on FTX at the time. When you first saw the spinny wheel of death, I'm assuming you started texting friends. And what did they say? They had the same issue? How did this spread?
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If you love Money Rehab, and I hope you do, and are a true crime fan, or you just love a good story, then I have another podcast for you. Beyond Money Rehab and Health Wanted, I host a third podcast called Scams, Money, and Murder. And I'm going to share a special episode with you today.
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You mentioned NPR, but the tweet, the story played out on Twitter, basically. I mean, I don't know if you were a big Twitter guy before this, but did you see all of it come out? Like you mentioned that you were a fan of Binance. That was SBF's competitor. CZ, I won't say his full name. I will for sure butcher it.
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On Scams, Money, and Murder, each week, I take you behind the headlines, diving even deeper to the wildest money crimes in the news, from cunning Ponzi schemes to high-stake political scandals, even a group of killer investment bankers.
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But he tweeted, you know, as part of Binance's exit from FTX equity last year, Binance received roughly 2.1 billion USD equivalent in cash, BUSD and FTT, which is FTX token. Due to recent revelations that have come to light, we have decided to liquidate any remaining FTT on our books, end quote. Did you see this?
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Basically, each week we alternate between telling stories about gripping high-stakes crimes featuring the most cutthroat people in the financial world and riveting first-person interviews with the experts and the subjects themselves, the people who really shine a light on these crimes in a way you have never heard before.
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Yeah. I mean, for you, did you think this could spread to more of the financial system? I mean, it sounds like you lived through 2008. Did you have a moment where you thought the whole system could implode?
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When do you think it really sunk in that the money was gone? Because I'm sure at that point there was a ton of adrenaline. Get the money out, get it into a traditional bank, move as quickly as possible, try to salvage anything you possibly can. So when was it that it finally hit you?
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So join me every Thursday as I get you up to speed on the sleaziest, the scummiest, and the most corrupt financial criminals the world has to offer. Believe me, your bank account will thank you for it. Just search Scams, Money, and Murder wherever you get your favorite podcasts. In the meantime, I am so excited to share an episode of Scams, Money, and Murder with you today, starting now.
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can only imagine. So just to sort of zoom out, at this point, you had a bunch of other losses and other investments. FTX had gone under. You basically had nothing. There was no hidden bank account or brokerage or something for you to live on. What was I mean, you're going into the holidays too at this point to December. What was that like for you?
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I guess not just financially, emotionally and physically.
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Not related to FTX. You just had a loan, right?
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Wow. So it's safe to say that you went through a hard mental health time. Were you depressed?
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As they say, money makes the world go round. What many don't talk about is the time it made people's worlds come to a screeching halt. Whether it's greed, desperation, or a thirst for power, money can make even the most unassuming people do unthinkable things. And sometimes those acts can be deadly. This is Scams, Money, and Murder, a Crime House original. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin.
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So in other words, you're saying that the system around bankruptcy that's in theory put in place to help people out of a bad situation makes it harder to get credit or to get a new place, which is why it sounds like you're staying with a friend or to rebuild financially, which is where you were stuck. And while you were going through this, FTX was also going through bankruptcy. Were you...
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able to get any of the funds through their bankruptcy process? Were you part of any of the class action lawsuits?
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Every Thursday, we alternate between covering infamous money-motivated crimes and gripping interviews with the experts or those who were directly involved themselves. Crime House exists because of you. Please rate, review, and follow Scams, Money, and Murder wherever you get your podcasts. And for early ad-free access and bonus content, subscribe to Crime House Plus on Apple Podcasts.
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You've spent a lot of time thinking about all of this, I'm sure, living through it. What are your thoughts now on Sam Bingman-Fried?
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By now, most people have heard of FTX, the crypto exchange that went from being everywhere to suddenly gone. Marketed as a safe and easy way into cryptocurrency, FTX raised hundreds of millions of dollars, ran ads with huge celebrities, and promised financial freedom to everyday investors.
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Yeah. It's like when you go to the airport and you now take off your shoes. Right.
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think we're gonna have any shoe bombs anytime soon but that doesn't prohibit something else potentially from happening same in the financial world so not another ftx but something else could potentially happen with people listening and getting into different kinds of investments especially now when the market is low some say that it's a good time to get in instead of get out
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Do you have any advice for somebody who's thinking about investing in crypto today?
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But in late 2022, the empire crumbled when it was revealed that FTX had secretly funneled billions of dollars in customer funds to its sister company, Alameda Research, money that was then used for risky bets, political donations, and lavish personal spending. We covered the story of FTX and its CEO, Sam Bankman-Fried, also known as SBF, and his dramatic fall in a November 2024 episode.
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To be fair, some investments are safe and principle protected and bonds and things like that. So if you want lower risk, there are some options. But you're saying, you know, be vigilant. Don't mourn paper losses, which is easy to do. The two days that are most important are the days you buy and the days you sell and everything else is kind of noise.
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Death and taxes. Would you get into this space? Would you invest again or have you completely stepped away?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
And finally, is there anything else you'd want other victims to know, especially someone who might feel alone or frustrated by the system and the bureaucracy and all the hoops you have to go through to even try to get anything back?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Jake, well, thank you so much for sharing your story with us. It takes a lot to speak about this openly and honestly. It is something so personal and painful. And I know your honesty will definitely resonate with a lot of people. So thank you.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Thank you so much for listening. I'm your host, Nicole Weapon. Scams, Money, and Murder is a CrimeHouse original. Join me every Thursday for a brand new episode. Here at CrimeHouse, we want to thank each and every one of you for your support. If you like what you heard here today, reach out on social media at CrimeHouse.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
This episode was brought to life by the Scams, Money & Murder team. Max Cutler, Ron Shapiro, Alex Benidon, Stacey Warnker, Sarah Kam, Paul Libeskin, and Victoria Asher. Thank you so much for listening.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
If you haven't listened to that yet, you can find the link to it in the show notes for this episode. But today we're diving into the personal side of the collapse. My guest today is Jake Thacker, one of the many victims of the FTX collapse. He lost more than $200,000 when the platform crashed. money he believed was safely stored on a legitimate exchange.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Now, Jake wasn't someone who made a bad investment. He was misled by a company that promised transparency while secretly gambling with user funds behind closed doors. He's been incredibly open and honest about his story, and we're so grateful to have him here to share it with us firsthand. Well, Jake, thank you so much for joining us. There is so, so much to talk about.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
If somebody has no idea about crypto or FTX or Sam Beckman-Fried or any of that, how would you summarize this whole thing in a sentence or two?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
And I want to double click on all of those points, but let's start at the beginning. What was your entry point into crypto? Was it something that you got into casually? Were you a serious investor? What was the deal?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
So during COVID, did you sell off your more traditional investments or did you ride it out? Did you use cash that was sitting on the sidelines for dabbling in crypto? What does your overall portfolio look like?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
And when you say that you were using bots to capitalize on a sideways market, that's real nerd stuff. You weren't a newbie investor. You weren't just dabbling in the market for the first time. You were in tech. You had already invested in more traditional vanilla investments before you got into this.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
When you first dabble in crypto, I mean, the sort of entryway, ideally, is Bitcoin. FTX was more fringe at the time, although they did put a ton of marketing into it, and we can talk about that. But how did they first come across your radar? What initially drew you into FTX?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Originally, crypto was supposed to be a hedge for traditional assets. Now we've seen with a little bit of time that crypto investments, especially the bigger ones, move in lockstep with the overall market, not as a hedge to it. But at the time, you thought it could be.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
That's how it had been sold to everybody as, you know, a new type of currency that can hedge against traditional equity fluctuations and things like that. But FTX, if anyone's confused, was it a coin or not? It was a platform analogous to like a Coinbase where you could buy and sell. Yeah. Right. There was a specific coin, but we'll get into that in a second.
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Yeah, or like Fidelity or Vanguard for traditional.
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Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
And typically when you're looking at getting into any product, face cream, you know, a lip balm, I don't know. And they are advertising on the Super Bowl and they have all these celebrity sponsors. You think it's really cool. But when it comes to finance, I personally like my finance so, so boring. And in hindsight, it's easy to say that
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
the type of marketing they did would raise eyebrows because we know what happens next. But did that for you at the time or did that help you trust them more or think that they were, you know, flesh with cash and nothing could go wrong?
Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
Introducing: Scams, Money, & Murder
Yeah, for sure. It makes so much sense. You, you know, look at Tom Brady and Steph Curry and they have huge brands and probably teams to do due diligence and vet the things that they endorse or promote. It makes all the sense in the world. I mean, how could you have known otherwise? You do say, though, you have a theory as to why things then blew up so quickly.
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