Chapter 1: What documentary do Ash and Alaina discuss in this episode?
Hey, weirdos. I'm Melina. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid, the bonus episode.
It's a bonus. It's a crazy bonus. It's a bonus about top model that was crazy in the day. I've been waiting to talk about this.
I literally am so excited. I don't know if I already said this on the pod, but I have not stopped going around my house saying, how many people were afraid? And holding your hand up. And holding my hand up. How many people were afraid? And Drew can't stop going, today we're going to learn about acting! Just please make sure Drew roaming around my home just randomly.
Also, we're thinking about possibly recording our bonus episodes like on video in the future. Just so you know, like I was just thinking about it because that that movement would have been really good. So just know that that's something we're thinking about. I think you guys will dig that.
Yeah.
These are usually pretty fun and you know. We get lively with these. It just means we have to get dressed more, which I did today. So I should have filmed, but you're still swollen. It's fine. You're beautiful still. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. You're beautiful. So I watched this in one fell swoop. Me too. But I did it later at night, obviously, when the kids went to sleep.
And John was with me and my mother-in-law was with me. Oh my God, Karen, watch this. They were both horrified to the point where I was almost embarrassed. Oh no!
oh no right mikey agrees mikey had the same experience with dave didn't you were you almost embarrassed that you watched the show when dave and i first started dating he was like oh i'm gonna show you all my favorite shows he's like what's your favorite show and i was like oh i loved like i love uh this show and i also love america's next top model and he was like well
Well, like, because we were talking about, like, reality television shows because he loves, he is a Top Chef guy.
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Chapter 2: How did the contestants of ANTM experience power dynamics and exploitation?
Yeah.
all y'all like sorry not for nothing like obviously all of these girls were like 18 plus but like 18 nine-year-olds getting fucking criticized by 40 year old men weird very weird weird upsetting very weird and ken mock in that documentary okay yeah let's start off there hold on i have a quote from him comes off in my opinion john literally horribly john was like that man is the villain of the century and he should be like i don't even know he should be like run out of the
out of town here's a quote to confirm that for you the biggest disaster ever is always the best thing people have 104 degree temperature they're throwing up they need IVs that's the best news I could ever have and I believe that he stood 10 toes down on that that's verbatim like sir sir oh yeah when they talk about we'll get into the shandy of it all the way he handled that the way that everybody handled that was fucked
Like it's that poor woman to, in my opinion, I know everybody is like, is thinking that the Jays and Nigel are not as bad. And like, I, here's the thing I will give them is that they're at least sitting there and being like, yeah, I should have done something. And I didn't, I think Jay Manuel at one point said like, I wish I had a backbone. Yeah. And I'm like, I do too, sir. Yeah.
Because they're all fucking complicit. You were all there. Yeah. And it's like, I don't understand personally, and this is like my own probably character flaw that has served me well in some circumstances, but probably not in others. Like the last place we worked, it did not serve me well. No. Is I don't understand hierarchy systems. And I don't understand when somebody tells me like...
This person is just this way and they're above you, so you can't... I'm like, nope, no one is.
I don't believe anyone is.
It was so funny just in our personal lives to see how that played out because I'm so used to that because I worked in the hair industry. And when you first get into the hair industry, if you want to work anywhere, that's like...
you know, top tier, quote unquote, you're an apprentice and you're a fucking peon and you do what you need to do that has absolutely nothing to do with doing hair to get to the top. Yeah. So it was so similar. Like I've been in that power dynamic before. And I just did not. And I think it's like my, my brain, the way it works. I just, I logically don't understand hierarchy systems.
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Chapter 3: What shocking moments highlight the impact of public scrutiny on contestants?
And they filmed the entire thing. Yeah. What we saw was such an edited down version of everything that occurred. I actually have a quote from Shandi. I didn't even feel sex happening. I just knew it was happening. And then I passed out. And then they made it into a cheating scandal, complete with Tyra meeting with her the next day. And pretending that she didn't know what happened.
Oh, have you ever cheated? You know, I got cheated on, blah, blah, blah, like acting like friends and just being like, you know. And just casually bringing up cheating for no reason. And telling her like, we can't give in to like our carnal desires, you know, like acting like it was a choice. Yeah.
And then filming her talking to her boyfriend, Eric, who, like, obviously was upset at the time and didn't know that that's what happened. Yeah. But then he, like, filming her being called a stupid bitch. Yup. And being screamed at. By this guy that she had been talking about the whole time she's been on the show and being screamed at and demeaned.
And then not only that, the aftermath, she said they tried to work it out. I'm sure she probably went home and explained to him the actual reality of the situation. Yeah. And they would be out in public and people would walk by her and call her like a slut and stuff. Like she got crazy. Get it together.
Yeah.
Jesus Christ. But then she went on the Tyra Banks show after that. And she told her, I haven't watched it. I can't watch the scene. I don't want to. And you can tell she's sitting there being like, I can't watch it because it's traumatizing. Of course it is. Tyra made her fucking watch it. And then was like, what do you think about that? Like, let's talk about it. I was like, you're diabolical.
no and for someone who's been treated shitty in the industry and like it says that and you claim that's your whole reason why you created this show you're treating them the exact same way if not worse yeah and that leads us to all the crazy photo shoots that went down the fucking photo shoots the race swapping ones straight up blackface and they sat there and they were like they were like yeah like i think jay himself in that moment is like i did not want to do that but you did exactly
Which say something then. They then continued to do similar photo shoots in like the cycles afterwards. They did some where they had women in like Native American headdresses. Yes. They had at least two full on blackface. Swaps.
Like race swapping.
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Chapter 4: How did the portrayal of plus-size women evolve on ANTM?
And then there was also the crime scene shoots that they did. Oh yeah. Where they were murder victims. Yep.
and and it wasn't like and it was like they this is when they had um jl which like rest in peace jl i know jl i thought was so fucking cool i thought she was so i thought she was beautiful yep all of the above um i it's such a bummer but um she had a friend who died while she was there she got the news while she was there and her friend had like od'd i think yep and then she is in that photo shoot with murder victims or like crime scene victims
And she had to do... I think that was actually the one where they made her an addict, wasn't it? No, this is the one where they made her like she had died by strangulation. Oh, is that what it was? But she still had to do like a death scene shoot. And then that's the same shoot that Dion, which once again, I fucking loved Dion.
All the girls that they, like, particularly hated on, we were like, I love them. Dionne, when they made them make up new names for themselves and she calls herself Hula Hay, I will never, ever, I love Dionne until the end of time. Forever and ever. Dionne for life, Hula Hay for life. I don't even remember that. They had to come up with, like, model names and she came up with Hula Hay.
what world i love her i love her forever absolutely iconic her mom when she was younger die or didn't excuse me she was paralyzed put in a wheelchair because somebody shot her and then they made her be a shooting victim and then criticized her about not being dead enough in the in the It was wild. She was like, yeah, sorry. I was just kind of going through it.
Then on top of that, Kaylin from another cycle, her friend, she got, similarly to JL, news that her friend died. And they had her pose in a grave.
In a grave the next day.
That was like eight feet deep. Yeah. Like... Truly wild. They also had, they did a shoot with unhoused and made them dress up as unhoused people and they had to do it with actual unhoused people in the background. Yep. Yep. Yep. They also did one model stereotypes where like, I remember Meg, which also I loved Meg. Meg was like the rock and roll.
yes i loved her yes i thought she was so awesome she had to be a drug addict and her photo was her with her like a needle hanging out of her arm and her like strung out and they had another one i can't remember there was a set of twins i think bulimia was one of them bulimia yeah one of them had to pose with literally like cake all over her face in a in a stall of the bathroom it was fucking crazy crazy
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Chapter 5: What controversial photo shoots were featured in the documentary?
Same thing with Ebony.
ebony that drove me they called her ashy they called her a tyra called her a fellow black woman and she had some of the most beautiful skin i've ever seen she's a beautiful woman they also during the makeover which the makeovers were literally to personally victimize these women they ripped her hair out of her head and were just literally sitting there talking about how awful her hair texture was how none of them knew how to do it and she's sitting there
While they're talking over her head and like fucking up her hair. And she still looked gorgeous. I was going to say she still looked great, but they ripped her fucking hair out of her head. The other one was Jasleen. When she came the first time, she had this big personality and they shit all over her for it.
And then she comes back and kind of tones it down and they're like, where's your crazy personality? And she's like, what do you want? Like, what the fuck? There was another girl. I can't remember her name, but she went super... I think it was Jenna. Remember Jenna? She had, like, great pictures.
Oh, yeah.
And she went really far and was, like, very talented. And they were just like, yeah, you're boring.
So they eliminated her.
Molly Sue was the same. Molly Sue I thought was such a good... And they were like, we don't know. We don't get it. We don't get what you are. And was it Yaya was another one?
Yaya.
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Chapter 6: How did the show's environment affect the mental health of contestants?
I think it was about Kenya that she said that. I don't remember. It was horrible. Janice said awful things to women. But they had, so they would call her out for this. And then they had her during the seven deadly sins be gluttony. And make her lay in a coffin with garbage food all over her in like a ridiculous getup. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. And holding a donut in her hand.
And so she looks campy. Like she did what she could with the styling she was given. I thought she did a great job. Yeah. And they were like, they were shitting all over this, basically saying she looks like a drag queen. And it was like, okay, shut up.
One that's not an insult.
And also like one that's not an insult and two, you styled her that way.
That's your fault.
She didn't get dressed. Like you put her in there. And then she's like holding the donut and Tyra was like, after they've told her she's fat and disgusting. Yup. And like, they literally were like, you need to watch your weight while you're here. Like be careful. Yeah. And they were like, she literally says, I would have liked to see the donut hanging out of your mouth. Why?
So you could have shit on her about that? That's exactly why she wanted that. And then they go to Africa and everybody else is a gazelle, a fucking giraffe. All these beautiful, graceful creatures. An ostrich. They make her a fucking elephant. And don't you dare tell me that that was like, whoops, that just happened. They made her a goddamn elephant.
And then they shit all over telling her they had to retouch her so much and blah, blah, blah. And it's like, What are you getting out of this? They also would like zoom in on her stomach and like when she was like in a weird position so it would make her still look like a normal fucking person but it wasn't like the greatest angle and she's like they would zoom in.
They edited her eating a bagel so it looked like she ate three bagels and she's like that was the same bagel that I was eating.
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Chapter 7: What criticisms did Tyra Banks face regarding her role in the show?
But he needs to own the fact that at the moment he seemed annoyed that she had stopped and everybody else did too. Yep. And they basically were like, yeah, okay. At one point, Jay had to say, like, don't grab her. Maybe stop grabbing her ass. Maybe. And it's like, so you see that it's a problem. It's like, take him off set. If the male model is grabbing the ass. You take him off.
And she says she's uncomfortable. Goodbye. And I will say, Jay said in an interview, he wished she had a backbone during that. And he wished she had said stop and taken him off set. And it's like, that's nice that you recognize that now. But that already happened to her. Where were you in the moment when she was dealing with it?
And she literally, Kenya sat there and said during the shoot, she was nervous about stopping the shoot because like, as women, you never want to bother anybody or, you know, say something's happening. And she said to herself, what would Tyra do?
Yeah. And I think this is how Tyra would handle it.
She would gracefully say, hey, I would like, and they shit all over her for it. And Tyra herself was like, no. In judging, they literally were like, so she was like, hey, so this was happening. First of all, they picked a photo where he was touching her. Literally grabbing her leg. Yeah. Like literally grabbing her leg. Yeah. And she's like, that wasn't a coincidence. Yeah.
And they basically tell her like Nigel's like, well, you need to be in control in that situation. I'm sorry. But sometimes I'm not. And also, I'm sorry, man. You can't tell a woman I need to be in control there when I'm trying to take control. That's the thing. She tried to take control. And no one's doing anything. And he's sitting there being like, there's cameras all around.
There's people all around. Yeah, no one protected her. That's the problem. That's even worse. You're all sitting there saying, oh, well, there's so many people around. Why was she feeling uncomfortable? Because a whole sea of people were doing nothing to protect her. Mm-hmm. That's why she felt uncomfortable.
And then Tyra sits there and says, well, you can do it and say like, you know, boy, you better like back up off me. But she's like, but do it in a fun way where it doesn't put static in the air. Stop sexual harassment in a fun way. We don't want to make the sexual harasser uncomfortable. We don't want to do that.
We don't want to make the man who's touching you without your permission to be uncomfortable with the situation.
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Chapter 8: What are the hosts' predictions for the upcoming documentary sequel?
Like the pendulum one. The pendulum one could have killed a woman. That's insane. There was also one where they had to walk on, like, docks on the water. Yep. The runway was on the water, and one of them had her hands, like, there was, like, no... Like, wait for them to be apart.
Yeah, like the arms of her hand.
It was like a straitjacket almost in front of her. So if she fell, she's drowning. Like, what the fuck? Mikey pointed out my favorite photo shoot, I do have to say, but the one where... Who was it? Melrose and... Oh, yes. Carrie D. Carrie D. And all the lights go off and they're like running through the fashion show as the brides. I loved that. Which also... Melrose. Melrose. She got a bad rap.
Melrose is another one. Yeah. And I think Melrose should have won. I actually do too. I liked Carrie D. I really did. But I think Melrose was, I think she was robbed. And I think she was given such a villain edit that whole season. I remember you and I were talking about it. When we originally watched it, I was like, Melrose is such a bitch.
And now I watch it and I'm like, what the hell was I thinking? You're like, it goes from Melrose is such a bitch to Melrose is that bitch. She is that bitch.
Yeah.
Because then we go for like that same season, Carrie D. Like when they did that photo shoot in the pool and she got legitimate hypothermia. The fact that a woman literally got hypothermia. And they were like annoyed. The whole, I think the whole premise of that photo shoot was like, we're going to subject you to extreme temperatures because that's being a model. Yeah.
Get in this freezing cold pool. And then they blamed her at judging when she was like, yeah, I got hypothermia. Isn't that crazy? They were like, you really need to know your limits. Yeah. And she was like, but I thought you would get mad at me if I stopped. And I think she did try to stop or like pause at least. And they were like, oh, okay, you're being really frustrating.
And then they're like, know your limits. She's like, I tried to tell you my limits and you were mad. Like, excuse me? And the same thing with Cara Dee that always annoyed me was it was during the thing where they had to pretend to be like matadors. Oh, my God. When she told Nigel to take the stick out of his ass, that's one of my favorite scenes.
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