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Chapter 1: What happened during the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre?
Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alayna. And this is Pollen Morbid.
Oh my god, pollen is destroying everybody's lives over here. Is pollen eating your insides alive? Yeah, is pollen... Raise your hand if you've been personally victimized by pollen. Everybody shoots hands in the air. Pollen is rough right now. We had an air quality alert yesterday that was like, hey, you should probably stay inside.
I'm getting murdered by pollen. Yeah, it's bad. It's really, really bad. I've never had allergies this bad in my... I've never had allergies, period, really. Yeah. And I do be having not only allergies, but guess what? I have asthma. Yeah. All of a sudden, the doctor said, honey, you have asthma. And I said, I haven't had asthma since I was a child. I thought it went away. They said no.
He said, it doesn't quite work like that. So Alina is taking one for the team and she took the up for me because I'm hacking up a lung. I'm out of breath.
Yeah. There was no way I was going to make her talk for an entire hour or so, however long this will be.
Honestly, you guys wouldn't have wanted to hear it.
Yeah.
we don't need her hacking all over, you know? I don't want to, I don't want to hack on you and what you're going through with pollen already. Yeah. You know, but I do have something for you because it's my birthday today. If you're listening, it's, uh, it's like in a couple of days if from now, but if you're listening, when this comes out, it'll be Ash's birthday.
So we have a sale for you on the morbid merch store, um, which is at Sirius. Um, I'll, let me actually give you the actual website. Um,
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Chapter 2: What warning signs were missed before the shooting?
I love the Nicholas shirt. I've also seen a lot of you coming around on Nicholas.
I have too, and it warms my heart.
Yeah.
It really does. And this shirt is how you can show your support.
Show your support for good old Saint Nick. Yeah. Who is not Saint Nick, but he's our Nick. He's our Saint Nick. We need to post that video from when we unpacked the printer.
Oh, yeah.
Because I think I think we can speed it up a little bit. Yeah. And I think Nicholas visited us.
Yeah, I think Nicholas was helping me put away stuff from the printer that I was unboxing. And he was like, you have more room in this box. Let me push this stuff down for you. Because I was sitting there just watching as all of the packing stuff was being slowly pushed down.
and it was all like like obviously things rustle when you put them back in a box so at first we were like okay maybe it's just that but then it continued for three minutes yeah and like there was like one specific part in the video where it just like yeah just pushes down really pushes down like aggressively so we're i'm gonna post the sped up version of this a little strange yeah a little strange paranormal if you will
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Chapter 3: How did Jim Huberty's childhood influence his actions?
Oh, well... We have today, this was Ash's case at first, so I got the pleasure of reading this and going, oh.
I said, here, I did half of this. And I said, oh my.
I'll give you the other half. Yeah, so I read through this and said, oh my.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
We're covering the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre today.
This is a really, really brutal case.
Yeah, I would like to give a big, big trigger warning right off the bat. I'm not going to... This isn't going to be gruesome in the sense of me explaining everyone's injuries or anything like that. This is a mass shooting that can be very triggering for people. I completely understand if this episode is one you say, hey, I'll see you on Thursday. Totally get it. But again, I'm not going to get...
crazy with my descriptions um but this is rough it is and it's scary and it's horrific and he's a monster and uh it's a really rough one so i just i need you to know that right out the bat uh right out the gate that that this is rough and it's a mass shooting so again if that is something that you are like this is just not one of the ones that i can do we totally understand yeah we totally get it so like we'll see you thursday if that's the case we'll miss you but we get it
But it is a story that needs to be told because, one, these people lost their lives. Yep. These innocent people who were just going to McDonald's.
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Chapter 4: What led to Jim Huberty's mental health crisis?
people they were not out here getting help for especially men's mental health no he grew up like in the midwest which obviously like is a totally different culture there were factors here that for sure we can look back with the hindsight of 2026 and say why didn't anybody do anything and things that were different so we do have to use those lenses to look at it yeah but now in 2026 if someone around you is making these kind of statements or acting these kind of ways call someone
it's a you see something say something it's like you can you can do it anonymously but like just whenever you can try to because you can avoid catastrophes like this and also like that person needs help yeah like he needed to be this man needed to be he's like a he's like a bad person at his core well that's the thing he's like he's like a mentally ill man at his core he's also racist yeah he's also uh he beats his own children like he's an abuser he beats his wife like
He's a, at his core, Jim Huberty is an evil piece of shit. Yeah. And that's the thing that I think we all need to realize is you can be two things. Two things can be true at once.
Absolutely.
He can be mentally ill and he can also be a really fucking bad person.
Yeah.
Not everybody who's mentally ill is a really great person and they just suffer from this thing. Of course, there are plenty of people who are really good people who are kind and good people and suffer from mental illness and do things they normally wouldn't have done.
Yeah, absolutely.
And don't want to do. That is 100% accurate. often the case, to be honest. But there is also cases when somebody is violently mentally ill and does need extensive help, but is also just a really bad person at their core and would have done something bad, regardless of the mental illness, possibly. So Jim Huberty, to me, falls into that category.
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Chapter 5: What was the timeline of events on the day of the massacre?
They are not always saying something crazy or quote unquote crazy that you think is going to like really caused some damage. Like, I think now we're a lot more well-versed on the idea that somebody in crisis is not always the typical crisis that you're thinking in your mind. But according to them, he didn't say anything to indicate that he was, so the call was logged as non-crisis.
Non-crisis calls were returned in the order they received, typically within 48 hours. Unfortunately, the receptionist also misheard his name when he gave his last name, and she wrote it down as Schuberty. Now, even more unfortunate, by the time his message came up in the queue to be returned, it was too late.
James Huberty had already killed 21 people and was killed by the San Diego police sniper's bullet. So James Huberty's shocking killing spree and violent death was definitely just the period on a life filled with a lot of chaos and a lot of A lot of, like we were saying, times when someone should have stepped in. Warning signs. He was born October 11th, 1942 in Canton, Ohio.
He was the second of two children born to Earl and Eichel. Just a few years later, when he was three years old, Jim contracted polio.
Yeah.
and had to wear leather and metal braces for a long period of time. I mean, thanks to the braces, he was able to walk again, but they caused him to have a different walk than he might have had before. And according to one of his primary school teachers, that alone was enough to make him the target for bullies, and the other children made fun of him and were just... Kids suck.
Yeah, like, get it together. And teach your kids not to be assholes.
How are you making fun of somebody with polio?
Thank God. If I ever found out my kids were making fun of someone for the way they walked, we'd have a talk. When Jim was seven years old, his father bought a 155-acre farm in Mount Eaton. That was about 20 miles away from Canton, and he moved almost the whole family, I should say. Jim's mother was pretty resistant to the idea from the start and just refused to move with her family.
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Chapter 6: How did law enforcement respond to the shooting?
He'd also started dating Etna Markland. And in 1965, they got married at Trinity Gospel Temple in Canton, Ohio.
I just wonder, like, what their meet cute was.
I wonder what she saw in him.
Right.
Because no one liked him.
Nobody liked him.
He was very miserable all the time.
And I also just wonder, like, did they get through their first date without him mentioning that he wanted to kill a lot of people?
That's the thing. I'm like, he seems like he is just... You see any of the people talking about him and everyone's like, he was just a miserable person to be around. Not because he was sad all the time. He was mean and angry.
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Chapter 7: What were the immediate effects of the massacre on the community?
It's not a requirement.
So just don't. I do think.
Like it's okay. I will say I think back then it did feel like more of like a requirement. Oh, for sure. Like it was like you got married and then you had to have kids. Yeah. And I think a lot of people feel like weird societal pressure.
Yeah.
Like I'm sure Etna did, you know. Yeah, for sure. But still. Yeah.
Like, maybe not with Jim, babe. Maybe not. Like, Jim doesn't seem like he's great here. No. And again, like, him listening, like, loathing children. I'm like, get over yourself.
It's weird.
A former neighbor of his told the New York Times, everybody talks about that here. He was always yelling at kids.
That would have pissed me off.
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Chapter 8: What changes occurred in police procedures after the incident?
And behind closed doors, though, he had no trouble taking out his anger on the entire family. She said, and this is so sad. It is. She said, quote, generally it was just one hit, but there were other times that he would beat them all relentlessly. He even threatened one of his daughters with a butcher knife once.
Literally insane. And they're kids. Like young kids. I mean, I don't even care if your daughter's 35 years old and you threaten her with a butcher knife. What the fuck is wrong with you?
He's a horrific monster.
He really is.
For just about anyone who knew or even those who had just met him, Jim Huberty's rage and extremely unpleasant demeanor were definitely the primary problems. But just beneath that were other more subtle signs of emotional distress that generally went overlooked. Because again... That's the same thing we're saying. He's just a bad person.
He's just a nasty, mean, violent, bad person who is severely mentally unwell.
Right, on top of all of that.
And it's like, he's probably one of the scariest types of people you can imagine.
Oh, yeah.
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