The end of the Penny
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Hello and welcome to More or Less on the BBC World Service. I'm Ruth Alexander. The Canadian mint has stopped distributing its smallest coin, the one-cent piece, because it was costing more to make than it's actually worth. In homage, we're devoting this week's episode to small change, from the penny in the US and Britain, the euro cent in Europe, to the Uzbek tin and the Burmese piar. In the United States at the moment there's a fierce debate about whether the cent known as the penny and about the same value as the Canadian cent should be got rid of too. Jeff Gore is the president of Citizens to Retire the US Penny. We invited him on to the More or Less podium to make the case for scrapping the penny.
I think that it's valuable to start by just asking what's the point of currency to begin with and that's to facilitate cash transactions. What you want to be able to do is go to the store and give them some coins and get something in return. Now, it used to be that a penny could serve that purpose because it was worth something, but that's just no longer the case. Now, despite the fact that the penny is not serving any useful purpose, it actually does have real costs. And the most obvious of these is that it now costs more than a penny to make a penny. For example, the US Mint announced that last year it cost over two cents to make every single one of these coins. In addition to this obvious cost, there's another cost that is actually, I think, more significant, which is the value of the time that we spend waiting in line for the person in front of us to handle these pennies.
There was a study done by Walgreens and the National Association of Convenience Stores that found that roughly two and a half seconds were wasted in every cash transaction just as a result of handling pennies. This may not sound like very much, but it really adds up over the course of the year to, for the country, billions of dollars of wasted time. It's time for us to retire the penny.
If America did, it would be joining not just Canada, but Australia, New Zealand, Belgium and Holland, who have all got rid of their smallest denomination coins in recent decades. But to get their way, the anti-penny movement in the US would have to face off considerable opposition.
Why did Canada stop distributing the one-cent penny?
For their opponents, the penny is much more than something that just clutters up their purses. Philip Muscle, director of Coin News magazine, outlines the main objection.
Well, quite simply, one of historical importance. People feel that the center has been around since the United States was created back in 1776, and they want that part of their heritage to remain. It's a simple emotive argument, and it doesn't actually have any economic value. Apart from the fact that people want to keep the penny, there is to a certain extent the idea of psychological pricing. People like to see things to 99 cents because they believe that they are getting something cheaper than a dollar. I still fall for it. I see something at $3.99 and I think, oh, it's three something when in fact it's $4. It's something that works across multi-industries.
People worry, don't they, that if the penny is taken out of circulation in their country, then prices will get rounded up. So something that costs $5.99 will cost $6.
That is happening across the world. There's a system called Swedish rounding. Now, a lot of countries have adopted this. For example, in the Eurozone, you have Netherlands and Belgium particularly who no longer produce the one cent or the two cent Euro cent coins. What they do and a number of other countries do this, Australia does it with their coinage, New Zealand does it. If something is 1, 2, 3, or 4 cents, then they will round it down. If it's 6, 7, 8, or 9, they'll round it up. So their argument is that it swings and roundabouts. Sometimes you'll get things rounded up. Sometimes you'll get things rounded down.
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