What's Scottish Independence Worth?
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Thank you for downloading More or Less from the BBC. This is the version first broadcast on Radio 4. Here's Tim Harford.
Hello and welcome to More or Less. We're your weekly numerical haggis stuffed full of tasty statistics. This week, a statistical zombie returns in the pages of The Times. And superstar economist Steve Levitt has come up with a cunning way to help make life's big decisions.
Whether you should get a tattoo or go on a diet or quit your job or break up with your boyfriend, any question you want, it didn't matter.
How do future scenarios illustrate competing claims about Scottish independence?
We flipped a coin.
But first, I'm delighted to unveil the more or less time machine. We've sent our roving reporters into the future to let us know how Scotland's been getting on in 2030. To ensure neutrality, neither of our reporters are British. James Fletcher, can you hear me? Yes, Tim, I can hear you loud and clear.
I'm standing in Holyrood Park and around me a crowd of people are celebrating the 14th anniversary of Scotland's independence.
Fascinating. Well, James, how has it been working out for Scotland? Well, Tim, it looks like it's been going very well indeed.
These have been good times for Scotland. Immigrants are flocking to the country, employment is up and Scotland's productivity has surged. the countries in the top five performing countries of the OECD.
Well, that's very good to hear, James. Now let me see if I can get in touch with Gaëlle Legroux. Gaëlle, you're also in Edinburgh in 2030, is that right?
Yes, indeed, Tim, although I haven't been able to make contact with James at all. As you know, Tim, back in 2014, the Scottish people voted to stay in the United Kingdom. There's a real mood of relief here. And why is that? It's become obvious that Scotland is stronger as part of a union. The population is ageing and revenues from the North Sea have declined. Fortunately, Scotland has been able to share these burdens and to continue to enjoy historically high levels of public spending.
Well, thank you, Gail. How strange. The more or less time machine has sent James and Gail into two totally different futures. That's appropriate, perhaps, because two totally different futures are exactly what Scots have recently been promised by politicians on either side of the independence debate. First off the mark, in the blue corner, Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond.
£1,000 for every man, woman and child in Scotland, or £2,000 a family. That's the basis on which we articulate the independence bonus.
Vote for independence, be £1,000 better off. Sounds like a good deal. But in the red, white and blue corner, UK Treasury Minister Danny Alexander was ready to make the Scots a better offer.
Staying within the UK is worth £1,400 for each person in Scotland each year for the next 20 years.
£1,400 better off if you stay with the UK. Another good deal and a quandary for Scottish voters. Which offer should they choose? Well, this matters. Polling research suggests that a difference of even £500 either way is enough to sway a significant number of people into voting for or against independence during the upcoming referendum. Stay classy, Scotland. But presumably that's why both sides have come up with such precise figures. So who should we believe? Can we simply compare the two numbers and take the best offer?
They are answers to two different questions, which look the same, but they're actually two different questions.
This is Dr Angus Armstrong, Director of Macroeconomics at the National Institute of Economic and Social Research. He's analysed both sets of numbers.
The Scottish government question is, if Scotland becomes an independent country and the government takes some new policies which lead to an improved economic outlook, then Scots would be better off. The Treasury report says that if Scots decide to leave the Union, then compared to staying in the Union, then they will be worse off. So it doesn't have this improved economic performance as an assumption.
Think of independence as a divorce. The UK Treasury is essentially dividing up the assets and the liabilities and saying that the breakup will leave Scots £1,400 ahead, worse off than they are now after 2016.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:35
2
How do future scenarios illustrate competing claims about Scottish independence?
0:35–12:54
3
What financial offers are politicians making for a Yes or No vote in Scotland?
12:54–17:42
4
How do the Treasury and Scottish Government questions differ when valuing independence?
17:42–26:13
5
Which fiscal factors (assets, spending, North Sea oil) drive the £1,400 vs £1,000 estimates?
26:13–28:04