Where are the world hardest workers? (WS)
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This is More or Less, your statistical guide to life, the universe and everything. This week we'll ask where in the world people work the longest hours and we'll revisit the great Greek taxi controversy. Hello and welcome to More or Less on the BBC World Service. Earlier in the year, we looked at who worked harder, the Greeks or the Germans, and found to the surprise of most that on all measures the Greeks did far more hours than the Germans did. But as we discovered, Germany produces far more per hour and can be said to be more efficient. But this got us thinking about what the international comparisons were and who works the longest hours in the world. We decided to contact John Messinger, an expert in working hours from the International Labour Organization, to find out.
Well, it's tough to name one particular country, but what you'll find in general is that Asian countries tend to work the longest hours on an annual basis. They also tend to have the highest proportions of workers worldwide. who are working what we would say are excessively long hours of more than 48 hours per week. Korea particularly sticks out because it's a developed country that's working long hours. Normally, it's developing countries like Bangladesh, like Malaysia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, countries like this that are working very long hours.
Now, Korea, as I understand it, nearly 2,200 hours a year. What's going into that data?
What's being measured is the average annual hours actually being worked during a year for every person in employment. And the situation is really one in which you had a country that was developing, working very hard to raise its standard of living, has reached now the status of being a developed country, and yet has developed this pattern of of long hours working, which is in fact becoming counterproductive, not only in terms of their ability to continue to advance. The people who are working very long hours who are in the workforce, actually it's viewed as preventing others from having an opportunity to enter the workforce if the hours were shorter. The Korean government has actually undertaken a number of initiatives, including reducing the standard work week, but also specifically requesting that companies cut working hours in order to try to
increase employment in that country.
There's a suggestion then that it's counterproductive. Do we actually know whether there is a relationship between long working hours and high labor productivity per hour or low labor productivity per hour?
Yes, we do. And generally speaking, long working hours are associated with lower labor productivity per hour. In many cases, what you're seeing in developing countries, and it's mainly a developing country phenomenon, is a workers working very long hours in order to achieve some minimum level of output and also to earn some minimum amount of wages because, frankly, they're not very productive.
So it's not so much that if you work long hours, you're unproductive. It's more that if you're unproductive, then you have to work long hours. Or do you think the causation runs both ways?
What you've seen in terms of historical patterns, for example, over the last century in most developed countries, you've seen a reduction from very long working hours, nearly 3,000 hours per year, at the beginning of the 1900s to by the turn of the 21st century, most developed countries were under 1,800 hours, and indeed some of the most productive countries were even lower than that.
We're looking at averages here, and the average working week might be hiding all kinds of interesting variations. Is there a country or an example where you feel actually you can look at the averages, but it's really not telling the whole story about what's going on on the ground?
There's a number of countries that really fit that category. Japan is certainly one. The working hours are relatively long in Japan on an annual basis. but they have been declining over time. And one of the reasons why it's a bit deceptive is because you have really large proportions of men who are working excessively long hours, whereas you also have substantial proportions of women who are working short hours, or part-time, as we often call it.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–4:25
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Which countries work the longest annual hours and why is Asia prominent?
4:25–6:02
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Why does South Korea have unusually high annual working hours for a developed country?
6:02–7:24
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What data does the International Labour Organization use to measure annual hours worked?
7:24–9:21