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No One Thought He Could Do It — But Nixon Won The Culture War

27 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: Why is Richard Nixon making a comeback in today's culture?

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78.938 - 90.195 John Bickley

For decades, President Richard Nixon has been frozen in time. Vietnam, the Watergate scandal, his resignation, I am not a crook, but something strange is happening online.

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Chapter 2: What new evidence has emerged regarding Nixon and Watergate?

90.576 - 99.85 John Bickley

Across social media, Nixon is back, not as a villain, but as a vibe. Nixon edits, memes, even merch, all aimed at Gen Z.

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99.948 - 119.678 Georgia Howe

Some of those videos have racked up millions of views, and they're not just ironic. They're sending younger audiences back to Nixon's speeches, his foreign policy, even his worldview. In a recent piece for The Daily Wire, our Washington, D.C. bureau chief, Tim Rice, argues this isn't just a joke. Younger Americans are starting to reexamine Nixon.

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119.708 - 130.452 John Bickley

And now new material is fueling that reexamination. Recently uncovered testimony from Nixon is offering a closer look at what was happening behind the scenes at the height of Watergate.

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130.472 - 137.127 Georgia Howe

So what did Nixon say under oath and why is it resurfacing now, just as his image is making an unlikely comeback?

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Chapter 3: How did Nixon's worldview influence his presidency?

137.107 - 150.294 John Bickley

James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent at Newsmax, has been digging into those newly revealed records. Daily Wire reporter Lyndon Blake sat down with Rosen to unpack what he found and what it could mean for Nixon's legacy.

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150.314 - 156.567 Georgia Howe

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Chapter 4: What role did military spying play during Nixon's administration?

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Chapter 5: What were the significant findings from Nixon's grand jury testimony?

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223.203 - 241.735 Lyndon Blake

I am here with James Rosen. He's the chief Washington correspondent with Newsmax and the author of a just released bestselling book about Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia titled Scalia Supreme Court years 1986 to 2001.

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241.715 - 256.37 Lyndon Blake

But today, we're talking with James about this explosive article he wrote in the New York Times about another looming figure in American history, President Richard Nixon and Watergate. James, thank you so much for being on the show with us today.

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257.312 - 259.116 James Rosen

It's great to be with you, Lyndon. Thank you.

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259.366 - 281.703 Lyndon Blake

Now, we're going to get into the details, but just so you know where I'm coming from in my curiosity about Watergate as someone who was born in the early 90s, I think that anything America right now will have some type of gate on the end because of Watergate. You think of deflate gate.

Chapter 6: How does Nixon's legacy compare to modern political narratives?

281.723 - 293.929 Lyndon Blake

And it could be about anything, but that comes from Watergate. Can you just explain how significant this case was and why it is so important people know about it today?

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293.96 - 317.537 James Rosen

Sure. Well, and thank you for having me on. The article you're mentioning ran on February 8 in the New York Times, and it was about 6,000 words long. So when you get to read it, and you can find it through my X feed at JamesRosenTV, just bring a very big cup of java with you and settle in. Watergate was so important. I call Watergate the birth of the modern.

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317.517 - 339.053 James Rosen

Because all of the things we see when presidencies run into trouble in the modern age were first glimpsed in Watergate, where you have a kind of an unholy alliance between the news media doing saturation coverage, a special prosecutor, a whole task force of lawyers buttressed by the investigative agencies and zeal of the FBI.

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339.033 - 361.094 James Rosen

And, of course, in the case of President Nixon, his taping system, it's something we've seen kind of repeat itself over the years, although Watergate remains unique because, after all, at the end of the two-year scandal, President Nixon resigned from office, and he remains to this day the only president not to finish his term due to illness, death, or assassination.

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Chapter 7: What connections exist between Nixon's era and today's deep state discussions?

361.335 - 377.712 James Rosen

At the time, it was held out as an example of where the system worked. that we had a bad actor in the Oval Office and through a Senate investigative committee and aggressive news media and determined prosecutors, we were able to rid ourselves of the bad actor.

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377.893 - 393.07 James Rosen

In truth, Richard Nixon was an exceptional president and he himself, after he left office, admitted in a famous set of interviews with the British journalist David Frost that were broadcast in 1977 that he had been guilty in Watergate, that he had

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393.05 - 409.388 James Rosen

failed to discharge the duties of the president which is to enforce the laws and that instead he became as the watergate investigation intensified kind of a lawyer for the defense for his top aides rather than trying to help the authorities determine where where culpability resided

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409.368 - 427.056 James Rosen

But nonetheless, my article shows that at the same time, Nixon was the most spied on president in modern times and that the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top uniformed military officers in the country, ran a spy ring against President Nixon and his White House National Security Advisor, Henry Kissinger.

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427.036 - 447.824 James Rosen

for a year in wartime in which 5,000 classified documents were stolen from the Nixon-Kissinger NSC and delivered into the hands of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It was the plumbers, the White House plumbers, who discovered this. That was a kind of an informal name given to an investigative unit that was formed inside the White House to plug news leaks, thus plumbers.

448.364 - 456.435 James Rosen

These were the same people who broke into the Watergate office complex and installed wiretaps inside the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

456.415 - 479.402 James Rosen

uh the cover-up of that of the origins of that crime was the watergate cover-up that wound up toppling president nixon from office the plumbers were the same ones who broke into the office of the psychiatrist uh out in los angeles of daniel ellsberg the man who leaked the pentagon papers to the new york times they were focused on some areas of legitimate national security work and as president nixon testified in the seven pages

Chapter 8: What are the implications of Nixon's actions on current political climates?

479.382 - 497.037 James Rosen

that I brought to light in the New York Times, he said, despite the stupid and terribly wrong things they did in Watergate and elsewhere, they deserve to be remembered well for what they did here. But the plumbers also discovered that this then 28-year-old yeoman, a Navy yeoman, now 82, who declined to be interviewed for this article,

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497.017 - 515.628 James Rosen

Yeoman Charles Radford, who had been attached to the Nixon-Kissinger National Security Council as a Navy-trained stenographer and courier and typist and body man, that he had been secretly rifling through Henry Kissinger's briefcase, through burn bags, waste baskets, and basically five fingering every document he could get his hands on.

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516.309 - 535.721 James Rosen

Within a year's time, he delivered 5,000 documents to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Back in 2000, when the Nixon tapes were released of the meeting in December 1971, where President Nixon was informed for the first time, guess what? The plumbers have discovered that the Joint Chiefs of Staff have been spying on you and Henry Kissinger for a year. Those tapes came out in the year 2000.

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536.121 - 547.78 James Rosen

I was the only researcher who showed up at the time to listen to them. And I published an article called Nixon and the Chiefs about how President Nixon navigated that crisis in the Atlantic Monthly in 2002.

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547.76 - 568.175 James Rosen

In 1975, after he was out of office and had been pardoned by his successor, Gerald R. Ford, for any crimes he committed or may have committed while president of the United States, ex-president Nixon had to testify before members of a grand jury out in California for 11 hours over two days. That was June 1975.

568.476 - 586.525 James Rosen

That transcript stayed secret until the year 2011, 36 years after the grand jury examination, and 17 years after President Nixon died. And in the year 2011, when that transcript was released, I and some other reporters covered it, but seven pages were held classified.

586.505 - 611.842 James Rosen

and finally uh gosh 15 years after that i have now obtained those seven pages that were classified from ex-president nixon's grand jury testimony in 1975 and they dealt with this whole subject of the military spying on the president The FBI was also spying on Nixon. CIA was also spying on Nixon. This has all been borne out by declassified documents and scholarship published since 1974.

612.163 - 623.866 James Rosen

That's why I call Nixon the most spied on president in modern times. And these new documents place Watergate the scandal that caused Nixon's resignation in an entirely different light.

624.267 - 640.575 James Rosen

And I think this is important not just for getting straight what happened in Nixon's time, but also for assessing modern claims by President Trump and his supporters about the existence of what was used to be called the permanent bureaucracy, now better known as the deep state.

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