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Picking the Next Pope & Democrats’ New Message | 4.22.25

Tue, 22 Apr 2025

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The legacy of Pope Francis, picking a new leader of the Catholic church and Democrats focus on a new leader and message. Get the facts first with Morning Wire.Lumen: Head to http://lumen.me/WIRE for 15% off your purchase.Shopify: Go to https://Shopify.com/morningwire to sign up for your $1 per month trial period and upgrade your selling todayBeam: Head to https://shopbeam.com/WIRE and use code WIRE at checkout for up to 40% off.

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Chapter 1: What happened to Pope Francis and what is the process for selecting the next pope?

3.154 - 33.007 Georgia Howe

Pope Francis passes away just one day after delivering an Easter message to millions of Christian faithful. I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief John Bickley. It's Tuesday, April 22nd, and this is Morning Wire. It will be days before the church selects a new pontiff, but there are already some favorites emerging.

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33.027 - 41.255 John Bickley

Pope Francis had opened the door to giving blessings to individuals in same-sex unions. That's something we could potentially see reversed.

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42.176 - 49.322 John Bickley

And with Republicans in control of D.C., Democrats are searching for a strategy and a leader to pull them out of the political abyss.

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50.163 - 53.386 Advertisement voice

I think we do need a new generation of leaders, and I applaud what's going on.

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54.022 - 58.101 Georgia Howe

Thanks for waking up with Morning Wire. Stay tuned. We have the news you need to know.

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95.223 - 107.254 Donald Trump

All federal flags and state flags at half-mast in honor of Pope Francis. So he was a good man, worked hard. He loved the world, and it's an honor to do that.

108.137 - 121.235 John Bickley

That was President Trump commemorating the life of Pope Francis, the 266th head of the Catholic Church, passed away Monday at the age of 88. His death marks the end of a transformative and at times polarizing papacy.

Chapter 2: What is Pope Francis's legacy and impact on the Catholic Church?

162.228 - 180.217 Megan Basham

And then during his last Easter address on Sunday, directly after meeting with Vice President J.D. Vance, he warned politicians against stirring up anti-migrant sentiments. Immigration, of course, was an issue that he spoke about frequently, like in this interview with CBS's Nora O'Donnell last year.

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Chapter 3: How did Pope Francis address social issues like LGBTQ+ rights and immigration?

180.237 - 195.16 Interviewer

I don't know if you've heard, but the state of Texas... is attempting to shut down a Catholic charity on the border with Mexico that offers undocumented migrants humanitarian assistance. What do you think of that?

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197.06 - 208.425 Pope Francis

That is madness, sheer madness. To close the border and leave them there, that is madness. The migrant has to be received. Thereafter, you see how you're going to deal with them.

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209.414 - 229.247 Megan Basham

But that said, his papacy wasn't as transformative as some theological progressives would have liked. He did endorse civil unions for same-sex couples. That was a historic move for a pope. And he approved a document saying that priests could bless gay couples. But he also upheld this church's stance that marriage is between a man and a woman.

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229.627 - 247.422 Megan Basham

So he stopped short of that full affirmation that so many LGBTQ activists were looking for. He also refused to approve the use of contraceptives or ordaining women to the priesthood. And plus, he was always a very strong advocate for the sanctity of life. And that was something that conservatives certainly cheered.

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248.123 - 251.406 Georgia Howe

But also some conservatives did feel targeted by him, correct?

251.966 - 268.374 Megan Basham

They did, and I'd say that's because beyond his overall more progressive positions, he also took actions to suppress a conservative resurgence in the church. In 2021, he started severely restricting the celebration of the Latin Mass, and that was a reversal from the previous Pope Benedict.

268.934 - 288.766 Megan Basham

He argued that that right, which conservatives cherish, was being used to foster division and to reject Vatican II's liturgical reforms. But traditional communities felt targeted by that. And further, Francis took steps to curb the influence of conservative prelates who viewed his reforms as a threat to church tradition.

289.307 - 313.636 Megan Basham

One example of that, in 2014, he removed conservative cardinals like Raymond Burke, a vocal critic from a key Vatican post, He also appointed more moderate and progressive bishops to various roles of authority and elevated like-minded clerics to the College of Cardinals. And because of this, you have a lot of critics accusing him of stacking the deck and stifling dissent.

314.216 - 324.699 Megan Basham

But that said, Father Robert Sirico, former president of the conservative Acton Institute, did tell Morning Wire that he thinks the accusations of Francis being a Marxist go too far.

Chapter 4: Why did some conservatives feel targeted during Pope Francis's papacy?

380.425 - 398.613 Megan Basham

And they say that that is the largest wave of conversions in at least two decades. And it's mostly coming from young adults between the ages of 18 and 25. And then something similar is happening in England where surveys now show that Catholics outnumber Anglicans by about two to one among Gen Z and younger millennials.

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399.073 - 414.104 Megan Basham

And these younger people, particularly young men, are being especially drawn to conservative expressions of the faith, what's known as the Trad Cath or traditional Catholic movement. So really kind of going in a different direction from where Francis was trying to take the church.

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414.505 - 421.735 Georgia Howe

Well, it'll be interesting to see if the surge of conservatism leads to a more conservative pope being named. Megan, thanks for reporting. Anytime.

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460.716 - 464.802 John Bickley

Speculation is already swirling about who will become the head of the Catholic Church.

465.475 - 474.523 Georgia Howe

The Cardinals will convene over the next few days to select the Pope, and our reporter Mairead Elordi joins us with the details. So Mairead, what happens next? Hi, Georgia.

474.703 - 492.738 Mairead Elordi

So when a Pope dies, the Cardinals convene a papal conclave where they cast ballots for the next Pope. Famously, white smoke appears from the Sistine Chapel's chimney when a new Pope is elected, and a Cardinal comes out to announce the new Pope to cheering crowds in St. Peter's Square. Here's what that sounded like in 2013 when Francis was elected.

493.822 - 498.932 Unidentified

I knew it's your rubbish. You have your mind. I knew it's going to happen.

Chapter 5: What is the current trend among young people towards conservative Catholicism?

514.98 - 533.907 Mairead Elordi

One of the more conservative names we're hearing is Cardinal Robert Seurat, an African cardinal from Guinea who's been an outspoken critic of Francis. Seurat was critical of Francis' restrictions on the traditional Latin mass and his statement on blessings for same-sex couples that caused confusion. Here's Seurat talking about the church's purpose when it comes to the global migrant crisis.

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534.587 - 550.792 Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

The church is not a social organization to meet problem of migration or poverty. The church is a divine purpose to save the world.

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551.806 - 570.416 Mairead Elordi

Cardinal Wim Ejk is also considered a conservative potential successor. Ejk is a former medical doctor from the Netherlands, and he's been a sharp critic of Francis. He's one of the authors of a 2015 document opposing the Pope's approval of civil remarriages among people who have not received an annulment. Cardinal Malcolm Rangith is another conservative from Sri Lanka.

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570.596 - 585.308 Mairead Elordi

He criticized bishops who did not obey Pope Benedict on allowing the Latin Mass. And Cardinal Raymond Burke is one of the few potential successors from the United States. Burke said that Catholic politicians who support legal abortion, like former President Joe Biden, should not receive the Eucharist.

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585.748 - 588.551 Georgia Howe

So several conservatives in the running. What about progressives?

589.318 - 601.845 Mairead Elordi

Yes, there are a number of progressive and politically moderate candidates who are also likely to take the reins of the church. We're hearing Cardinal Luis Antonio Tegli, who's been called the Asian Pope Francis and would likely continue Francis' more left-leaning stances.

602.385 - 621.115 Mairead Elordi

Tegli's defended the church's teachings on abortion and contraception, but he has also criticized the church for using harsh words for LGBT people and divorced and remarried Catholics. Another more progressive cardinal in the running is the French Cardinal Jean-Marc Aveline, who was reportedly Francis' favorite to succeed him and is well-liked in left-wing circles.

621.595 - 639.705 Mairead Elordi

Cardinal Pietro Parolin is an Italian cardinal who's been in the Holy See's diplomatic service since the 1980s. He's considered a political moderate and has played a role in many political issues, including moderating 2014 talks between Cuban and American officials. Cardinals with global diplomatic experience are often considered seriously for Pope.

640.225 - 655.688 Georgia Howe

Well, we'll be watching closely to see what direction the Vatican takes next. Marae, thanks for reporting. Thanks, Georgia. As President Trump approaches his 100th day in office, Democrats are searching for a message and a messenger to lead their party.

Chapter 6: What might the future hold for the Catholic Church's leadership after Pope Francis?

656.536 - 666.201 John Bickley

Daily Wire senior editor Cabot Phillips is here to break down what's at stake in this intra-party power struggle. Hey, Cabot. So Democrats really face a conundrum here. What's the latest in this?

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Chapter 7: What are some recommended tools for small business owners?

666.522 - 680.369 Cabot Phillips

Well, ever since November's crushing defeat, there's been little cause for confidence within the Democratic Party. For the optimists on the left, Democrats did see a strong turnout in special elections in a dozen or so states, where their candidates outperformed Kamala Harris by an average of 10%.

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681.61 - 701.28 Cabot Phillips

And most notably, they won a resounding victory for a Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin, a state Trump won by a point. But the bad news certainly outweighs the good for the left right now. First, Gallup just found that the approval rating for Democrat leaders in Congress has fallen to just 25%. Yeah, pretty dramatic. So what's driving that dissatisfaction among Democrat voters?

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701.74 - 721.366 Cabot Phillips

So there are a few things. First, polling shows that folks on the left feel their leaders do not have a clear strategy for standing up to Trump. A recent survey from Data for Progress asked Democrat voters how they would grade their party's leader's response to Trump. Seven in 10 gave a C, D, or F. Now, if they had a singular leader to rally around, there might be more optimism.

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721.806 - 734.309 Cabot Phillips

But there isn't a clear standard-bearer waiting in the wings. And that void has left an opportunity for Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, two of the party's most popular and controversial lawmakers, to really take center stage here.

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734.429 - 738.35 John Bickley

Those two have been really grabbing headlines. What's led to their sort of ascension?

738.991 - 759.218 Cabot Phillips

Well, in the first few weeks after the election, Democrats seemed torn on whether to cast a wide net, turn from culture war issues and embrace a more moderate approach or lean into far left populism. And right now, it seems the party's base is choosing the latter. A poll last week from SurveyUSA found that 50 percent of Democrats want the party to, quote, become more progressive.

759.918 - 773.923 Cabot Phillips

Only 18 percent said, quote, more moderate. And that is music to the ears of AOC and Bernie Sanders. They've launched a fighting oligarchy speaking tour. They've drawn massive crowds all across the country. Have a listen to AOC's take on the president.

774.543 - 794.398 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud. Of course he's lying and abusing and manipulating the stock market too. When he talks about rapists and criminals, he should look in the mirror.

796.38 - 814.049 Cabot Phillips

The party's base, they seem to love it. Ocasio-Cortez raised nearly $10 million last quarter. That is by far her largest haul since taking office. And according to a recent YouGov poll, she's got a plus 61 approval rating among Democrat voters. That's the highest mark for any Democrat official.

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