Chapter 1: What are the current challenges facing law enforcement in America?
Law enforcement in the U.S. is facing a barrage of criticism in recent years, whether it be from anti-ice sentiment in Democrat-run cities or the way high-profile cases such as the search for Nancy Guthrie in Arizona have been handled.
In this episode, we sit down with Dan Abrams, host of On Patrol Live, to discuss the uphill PR battle law enforcement faces and some of the current high-profile cases shaping the national discussion. I'm Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley with Georgia Howell.
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Chapter 2: How does Dan Abrams describe the PR crisis for police today?
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Chapter 3: What insights does Dan Abrams provide on high-profile cases?
So your show On Patrol Live, which we're going to talk about, follows various law enforcement agencies around the country, essentially bringing that ride along experience into people's living rooms. So we wanted to get your thoughts on a few law enforcement related headlines that are pretty big right now. The first I want to ask you about is the Nancy Guthrie case.
We've now entered the third week in that case. And you hear a lot of chatter online about how the Tucson police may have really bungled this. But I want to hear your perspective. What really stands out to you about this case?
Look, we don't know yet. Right. I mean, remember in the Brian Koberger case, people were saying, oh, the police bungled the case. And then, you know, weeks later, we realized, oh, actually, they knew they figured out exactly who it was. And they were able to use cell phone records and video and match them up and be able to identify exactly who did it.
So so it's a little early to start saying, you know, who bungled it, et cetera. But I will say this. There are a number of irregularities with regard to how information has come out, right? And what I hope has not happened is I hope they didn't wait too long to reach out to the FBI.
I hope there's been communication going on between the local officials there and the feds and even the local officials amongst themselves because that's critical in an investigation like this. You know, look, I think there are a lot of people who are saying, you know, well, why did it take so long, for example, to get the video? You know, look.
My understanding is that it wasn't easy, that they literally had to sort of go by hand to go through all of the ring camera, et cetera, to try and find something that hadn't been saved. Typically, should that be able to happen faster? I don't know without knowing the very, very specifics that haven't been made public about this case. I think that officials in a high-profile case like this
are under enormous pressure for answers, right? It's like, why don't we have this yesterday? And typically, I would be saying, give them time. Let them figure it out. The difference here is you're talking about a kidnapping, potentially a kidnapping. And so you don't have the time. Right. We can't just say, oh, give them the time to investigate, which is what I'm always saying. Right.
Which is, hey, I know that, you know, you watch Law and Order and and and the cases get solved in 24 hours. But real life doesn't often work that way. The problem is when we heard from the beginning that this was a suspected kidnapping. Well, then time is of the essence and then every minute does matter. And so it is legitimate to be pushing law enforcement to say, what do you got?
I would ask you your theory of the case, but if you've not thought about it too much, I won't.
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Chapter 4: How does the public perceive the effectiveness of local police?
Sometimes that's just going to be a traffic stop, right? And other times the person's going to flee. And suddenly there's a pursuit going on. Or some other time there'll be a domestic call where it's just two people yelling at each other and the police leave and say there are no charges. And another time someone will pull out a weapon.
And suddenly, in a split second, those officers are facing the possibility of a very, very serious situation. So I think that that's one of the things that this show highlights. But what's interesting from your question with regard to recruiting is that in the departments we follow, it actually helps a lot of them with recruiting.
And I think that's because there is an appreciation for what law enforcement does. And that's a good thing. It's a good thing to, you know, people say to me sometimes, well, you know, do you think that your show is turning police officers into celebrities? And my response to them is, so actors who pretend to be someone else deserve to be celebrities. They've earned it.
They've earned the celebrity name, but a police officer who's serving his community doesn't deserve it. You know, it's like, it doesn't make any sense. So, you know, I think that it does help with recruiting when, people can see the various things that officers do every day.
And, you know, that's the problem with law enforcement in the media, which is that we only hear in the news media when there's not typically when there's an officer involved shooting or maybe on local news, if there's some, you know, dog that was saved in a in a tree. Right. But apart from that, You don't hear about what officers do on a daily basis.
You don't hear about the little things that they do in their communities. You don't hear about the risks that they're taking every day. And I think that's really important.
So how do you structure the show and film it?
So. We're in multiple departments with a producer, multiple producers in many of the cities. We use both a handheld camera, person's literally running after the officers, in public spaces, right? Because, you know, a lot of this is happening in public, so they'll be following them as it's happening.
We're seeing all of the screens at once as to what's happening, but we also have loggers who are literally writing down everything that's happening in every department saying, hey guys, you know, this is interesting or this is happening, et cetera. And all that stuff is feeding in at once, both visually and with producers who are watching and assessing.
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