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When Being Kind Goes Too Far

23 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the implications of Colorado's law on free speech?

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Colorado is at it again, trying to silence free speech. A law in Colorado forces businesses to use customers' preferred pronouns even if they're biologically inaccurate, and even if using those incorrect pronouns would violate a person's religious beliefs or conscience. That's a violation of free speech.

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But as Colorado has proved time and time again, it has little concern for the First Amendment. At Alliance Defending Freedom, we're challenging the law on behalf of a Christian bookstore and a Colorado-based sports apparel company, but a court recently ruled against them.

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With ADF's help, they appealed the ruling, and they'll continue fighting to ensure Colorado doesn't get away with this next attempt to skirt the First Amendment. Your gift helps protect free speech in cases like this all over the country. And for a limited time, your first gift to ADF is doubled by a special matching grant while funds last. Text WIRED to 83848 or go to joinadf.com slash WIRED.

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Have your gift doubled.

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A growing number of American institutions that once prioritized truth and open debate are now increasingly driven by emotional consensus and the fear of offending people. Supporters argue it's simply a more compassionate and inclusive way of thinking.

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Evolutionary behavioral scientist Gad Saad says the shift has gone much further than most people even realize. And when empathy becomes detached from reality, it can actually become destructive.

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He joins us today to explain why he believes many in the West are engaging in suicidal empathy and what he thinks it will take to reverse course.

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I'm Daily Wire executive editor John Bickley with Georgia Howe. This is a special edition of Morning Wire.

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There's a reason so many Americans feel called to stand up for children right now. Because in a culture that moves incredibly fast, kids deserve protection, guidance, and the chance to grow up without being pushed toward irreversible decisions before they're ready to fully understand the consequences. That's why organizations like Alliance Defending Freedom are stepping in.

Chapter 2: How has emotional consensus replaced objective truth in institutions?

271.05 - 297.536 Gad Saad

Well, as in most things in life, it's multifaceted. Number one, it has become increasingly challenging to be a outspoken Jewish professor in Montreal, Canada. So that definitely was not a good thing. But even if that didn't exist, as I get older, I've grown incredibly less tolerant of the bad weather.

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298.318 - 322.212 Gad Saad

Even though we moved to Canada in the 1970s, you know, my genetic makeup is not made to be living in minus 20 degree weather for, you know, six months a year. So that would certainly be another one. And the third reason is, frankly, The taxation system in Canada is so astounding. And if you add Quebec and Canada, it becomes really impossible.

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322.332 - 331.082 Gad Saad

And so might as well go to the United States so I can experience my inner spirit, which is indeed American in reality.

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331.463 - 335.948 John Bickley

Did suicidal empathy in Canada actually play a part into your decision as well?

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336.4 - 360.019 Gad Saad

I mean, it did, although suicidal empathy is something that regrettably has taken a hold of the entire West. Canada is certainly at the forefront of being some of the biggest sufferer of that malady. So I'll give you a few concrete examples. You know, in Canada, we very much have doubled and tripled down on diversity, inclusion and equity.

360.54 - 370.66 Gad Saad

And this certainly manifests itself in a myriad of ways within the university ecosystem. So at my own university that I'm going to be leaving this summer,

370.64 - 399.55 Gad Saad

uh one of the key uh objectives in the strategic mission was to indigenize and decolonize the entire curriculum i mean you have to stop back and imagine what that means every single discipline that is being taught you should try to incorporate indigenous and decolonization lens to it well i teach things like consumer psychology evolutionary psychology and psychology of decision making

399.53 - 424.98 Gad Saad

I didn't know that there was a decolonized way to study that. So that would be one example. And it manifests itself across all of academic excellence. University of Waterloo recently was looking for top professors in AI. And one of the positions said that you had to be two-spirit, non-binary, gender fluid, or transgender. That's probably not a good way to organize science.

424.96 - 441.754 John Bickley

No, not at all. So let's unpack this a little bit more. You make the case that empathy can actually become destructive when it's misapplied. When did you first start feeling this was really becoming an issue with the West? When did this become a major focus for you?

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