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Two Retirement Experts Discuss How They’ll Decide When to Retire
31 Jan 2026
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Chapter 1: What factors should you consider when deciding to retire?
How to decide when to retire and updates from the housing market. You're listening to the Saturday Personal Finance edition of Motley Fool Money. I'm Robert Brokamp, and this week I speak with Motley Fool contributor Dan Kaplinger about how we're each determining when we can retire. But first, here are some news items from last week, and they all have to do with housing.
First up, Redfin announced that more than 40,000 home purchase agreements were canceled in December. That represents 16.3% of all homes that went under contract, the highest percentage of monthly cancellations since Redfin began tracking the metric in 2017. One reason could be that home buyers are becoming more cautious amidst economic anxiety.
After all, the Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index is near its lowest level in 50 years, though it has ticked up a bit in recent months.
Chapter 2: How has the housing market impacted retirement decisions?
But another reason is that inventory has risen, giving potential homebuyers more choices. According to Chen Zhao, head of economic research at Redfin, quote, End of quote. This rise in inventory has weighed on prices, which brings us to our second item. Last week, it was announced that the S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index declined 0.1% in November and grew just 1.4% year over year.
That's a slowdown from what we've seen in recent years. Home prices are up more than 50% since the pandemic, including double-digit gains in 2020 and 2021. Such strong price growth over the past several years may have you wondering how real estate compares to the stock market.
Well, a recent article from the Bespoke Investment Group took a look and found that the 20-year return of the S&P Case-Shiller Index is actually just 3.1% per year on average. That's about what long-term treasuries have returned over the same period and much less than the 10.8% annual return from the S&P 500.
Of course, with a house, you can benefit from leverage and not having to put all that money down at once. On the other hand, a house has ongoing expenses like taxes, maintenance, and insurance. Factor all those in, and studies show that home price appreciation tends to be just a bit above inflation.
Despite the recent slowdown in home prices, many Americans still can't afford a house, which brings us to our number of the week, and it is 75%. That's a percentage of homes on the market that are unaffordable to the average American household. According to a bank rate analysis, a family would need an annual income of $113,000 to afford a $430,000 median-priced home.
Unfortunately, median household income is closer to $80,000.
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Chapter 3: What are the emotional aspects of planning for retirement?
Middle-income households can afford at least 30% of the listings in only 11 of the nation's 34 largest metro areas. This level of unaffordability is due to high home prices, wage growth that is not kept up with those prices, higher mortgage rates, and not enough homes. According to Bankrate, the U.S. faces a housing deficit of about 4.7 million houses.
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Chapter 4: How do retirement calculators assist in planning?
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After saving for retirement for decades, you'll actually get to a point when you realize, hey, I could retire soon. I'm in that situation, as is my next guest, pool contributor Dan Kaplinger. So for this episode, Dan and I are going to have a conversation about how we're approaching the decision about when to retire. Dan, welcome back to Motley Fool Money. Hey, thanks for having me, bro.
Great to be with you.
We have a lot in common. We're both former financial planners, both have been associated with The Fool for more than 25 years. We're in our mid to late 50s, we have kids in college, and we both are getting to the point where we could retire soon, though likely I probably should work for a few more years just to be safe.
What's your situation and how are you approaching the decision about when you'll actually pull the plug?
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Chapter 5: What financial uncertainties affect retirement planning?
Well, bro, I'll tell you, the way I'm approaching the situation is the way that I approach most of my work, which is by overanalyzing and overthinking and going back and forth to try to figure out how to weigh all the factors. Because there's so many factors. There's emotional factors. There's financial factors. There is personal life and personal lifestyle factors, all kinds of stuff.
And there's so much uncertainty that it is the thing that I've learned here is that whenever I make a final decision, when that day comes, I'm not going to be a hundred percent certain that it's going to work out. It's going to be a jump into the void and you just kind of have to have the faith that it's going to work out.
Chapter 6: How do personal circumstances influence retirement timing?
And that's kind of what I'm trying to build myself up to at this point.
From the financial standpoint, how are you analyzing your situation? I know you're a guy who loves spreadsheets. Do you have your own spreadsheet or do you use some online retirement calculators?
Oh, I've got spreadsheets out the wazoo, bro, which should surprise you, not at all. And I've been tracking them throughout my career. And so I can go back and look at what I've done in the past, how it's gotten me to where I am today, what it is likely to bring me to in the future.
And I feel confident about the projections that I've made, that they're as good as I can make them, but there are still all these... unknown unknowns out there that you have to somehow account for.
And the way that I've done that is to try to give myself as many additional escape valves, as many, I call them slush funds, almost of kind of extra pockets of money that are dedicated for certain things that like, if I need more money in one area, it'll be there. It won't necessarily affect the
my regular budget and I try to use spreadsheets to figure out where I'm gonna be with my investments and what effect changes in how I invest might have on what my future looks like. I do use some online calculators. The social security websites calculator for social security has been extremely helpful.
In addition, there are some calculators on the Motley Fool website that I've used really just to kind of double check my numbers on my spreadsheets and also to try to get some additional insight on Kind of what the established financial community would tell me is the right answer. And then I can kind of customize and do my own tweaks to make it more my own because I know what my preferences are.
I know where I differ from kind of where the mainstream thinking is. And so making allowances in my own personal financial plan that I can do, but I still like to know kind of where the baseline is.
Yes, and I like retirement calculators, and I'm going to list a few in the next segment here. You mentioned that there are both really emotional, maybe psychological issues, as well as financial issues. Knowing you as well as I do, I know that you probably could retire right around now. What is preventing you from retiring?
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Chapter 7: What are the health care considerations for early retirement?
You never feel like you have everything set that you're gonna be able to account for every possible contingency that you're gonna be able to deal with whatever the uncertainty of the moment is in current events, in politics, in geopolitics, in economics, whatever it is.
And so I think that holds me back as much as anything, as well as trying to figure out, okay, yeah, I know what I'm going to do the first year of retirement, and it's going to be a blast, but am I going to really want to do that? Am I really going to want to travel? Am I really going to want to be away from home for 10 years?
And if that's not the case, well, geez, should I just take a one-year sabbatical and then just kind of come back to where I am? Those are some of the questions that I'm asking myself at this point.
a Foolish colleague I had lunch with recently, he did leave the Fool. And at the time, he said, I'm not sure I'm retiring or not. I'm just gonna just see what happens. And sure enough, within a year, he was bored. He's at another job. And he said to his wife, you know what?
I probably just needed a sabbatical, just needed a break, which, you know, you might, many people out there might be in that situation. They enjoy their job. They're not ready to retire, but they're burnt out and they would like to take a break. The studies on whether retirement is good for us is very mixed.
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Chapter 8: What predictions do the experts have about their retirement dates?
Many studies have found that folks who retire sooner actually die sooner or experience accelerated levels of cognitive decline, physical decline, higher rates of loneliness, higher rates of depression. So certainly a big part of it is deciding how you're going to spend your time and who you're going to spend it with. What are you thinking in those terms?
Like what should people be doing as they approach retirement to prepare for how they're gonna spend all that time? How every day is a Saturday, as they say.
So I think that probably the best thing that people can do is to work with the people that they know, talk with the people that they know, either who are in that situation or who are preparing the same way that you are looking to prepare. Talk to people who've recently retired. Ask them, what are they doing? And how's it been? And has it been as good as they expected it to be?
What are the things that are better? What are the things that aren't quite as what they expected? What are some of the things that if they had it to do over again, they would change maybe? And, you know, how are they dealing with the process? I think that it's important to build that network in advance, both Outside of work and at work.
And I think people that you work with, I mean, I know, bro, I'm often guilty of this. People will leave the fool and like, I don't do as good a job as I should keeping in touch with them. Like maybe LinkedIn tells me to wish them a happy birthday. And then that's just kind of me feeling, oh, geez, I probably haven't talked to this person for a year.
Doing that is important because it does two things. One is it gives you that perspective outside of that bubble of your own work. But two is that it gives you kind of a window into what your future might look like after you decide to make the leap. And you, knowing who those people are, knowing who your friends and contacts are, you can draw some conclusions from what they tell you.
Some of it's like, oh boy, I'm just like that person. And I thought that you would really love that. And it turns out you don't. Well, gee, maybe I need to rethink that for myself. Or yeah, you always wanna do this totally different thing. I had no interest in that. And so, you know, you can kind of draw your own conclusions from that.
But I think that's the most important thing is talking to people, both the people that are around you now And the people who are doing the things that you might want to do some period of time down the road so that you get an advanced view of what that life looks like.
And you can kind of make course corrections now to guide you towards the better parts of that and steer you away maybe from some of the pitfalls that they fell into.
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