My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 23: Making A Twenty Thirderer
Wed, 11 Dec 2024
It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!This week, K & G recap Episode 23: Making A Twenty Thirderer, when they shared survivor stories. Georgia discussed an escape from the Chessboard Killer, Alexander Pichushkin and Karen covered the incredible survival of Sarah Brady. Listen for all-new commentary, case updates and much more!Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurderTikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murderNow with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes/rewind-with-karen-georgia-episode-23-making-a-twenty-thirdererMy Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories, and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921.The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the purpose of this episode?
Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
Yes, this is our Wednesday episode where we recap an old episode of My Favorite Murder. We give you case updates if we have any, apologies if they're necessary, and probably throw in a couple tangents.
We love a good tangent. Today we're revisiting episode 23, which, you know, we're still in those pun number names. So this one's called Making a 23rd-er-er. which came out on Wednesday, June 29th, 2016. And this episode is themed, we tell survivor stories, but also introduce three very important parts of MFM lore. Karen coins an iconic phrase, and a listener names the listeners.
And it is the debut of the man, the myth, the mustache, Stephen Raymour. Yes. So buckle up, murderinos, because now we can all be day one listeners. Okay. It's time to listen to the intro of episode 23.
Welcome. What you couldn't hear is Karen and I just smiling, just doing fake podcast faces to each other as we were about to introduce this. Welcome to My Favorite Murder, starring Georgia Hartstark, That's her. Hi. And Karen Kilgariff. Hi. That's me.
You're really good at long pauses. And so I'm like, is she waiting for me to jump in?
You mean I'm good at putting them in and making you unsure as to what you're supposed to do?
Yes.
But that's us. I like to keep mystery in the relationship. You look tan. Did you get a tan? No. I have a red face because my favorite celebrity was talking to me on Twitter. Shut up. And so my cheeks got really red and they wouldn't stop being red. Karen, it's like significant.
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Chapter 2: What survivor stories are highlighted?
That's kind of shit. You just don't. I mean, if people know, like when you see yourself on camera, it's the physical equivalent of when you hear your voice on an answering machine.
Yeah.
It's nightmarish.
Or in a podcast. Especially HD on a huge TV. Oh, please. And in general too, it makes me feel better about myself. Of course.
Because who the
cares and also every single person that you see on television over the age of 12 is filled with Botox for sure you know why because it's awesome because it works so it's so great until they start what they need to do is they need to develop some kind of a computer program that can just automatically go in and pull out wrinkles yeah that's what they need to do but until then it's on the individual performer yeah and it's oh man I love it you just love it do you feel like spinning in a circle
Like a pretty girl in a dress with an apron on the front?
I get carsick really easily, so I think that would be a mistake. But I give money to charity, too. It's not like this is my only... Girl, you're in Hollywood.
You're a Hollywood on-camera presence. You are a star of the Food Network. You are a dessert queen.
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Chapter 3: Who is the Chessboard Killer?
Once again, did you get painted into a box?
No, no, no. I like this one. I think it's cool. And it's something I've never heard of. And it's creepy and fucked up. Oh, good. I like it. It's for sure. But yeah, I like to go wild.
You just like to be yourself and decide what you want to do at the last second. I want to do me. You're on your journey. I'm positive that my vocal fry has gotten worse since we started this podcast.
You sound a little like you're getting over a thing. You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling last night. Were you getting over hanging out with me and taking my... I'm over it. And getting my vocal fry. It's catching. You know who hates vocal fries? 52-year-old... single divorced dads. Those are the only people who complain about it.
Sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific. My own. No, my dad's. My dad, do you see he keeps commenting on our shit? Yeah, he's totally into it, isn't he? He keeps writing like, he always writes like, you go girl. He's seriously like, I used to have a blog and I didn't tell them about it. And then I started getting posts that were like, you go girl. I'm like, that's my fucking dad.
I know it.
And then one day it was like, so how's your blog? His name's Martin, right? Marty. Marty. Martin was like, how's your blog? I knew you were. You go, girl. He loves you. He's so proud of you.
He's so supportive. My dad heard from he said, hey, there's a fireman whose daughter and all her friends listen to your murder podcast.
I swear to God. And I was like, oh, he texted it to me because what's it called? And I said, my favorite murder. And he goes, how come you didn't tell me about it? And I go, because there's a ton of swearing and we talk about murder the whole time. And then he was like, oh, you or something. I was like, I hope to God my father never listens to this.
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Chapter 4: What are the chilling methods of the Chessboard Killer?
Yeah, because I was like, how do you land in a... But basically, it's down a well and then a slightly smaller thing.
Down a well. It's tight. It falls 30 feet about. It's a tight little area. Okay. And she's in like... I don't know. It seemed like waist-high, rushing...
sewage water rushing and it's trying to get her into this like pipe into this other part of the um sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in luckily she fucking puts her arms her hands to the side and stops herself from going down that pipe okay she removes her jacket and boots real quick man this girl's smart um she was able to plant her feet and hands on the side of the pipe to stop from being swept away by a shit storm yeah
So gross.
I know, man. Like, what a bad day. So she finds another well. I guess she goes through, but it sounds like she was in there for hours. And eventually finds an iron ladder running up to the side. She goes up. What? Say it. Like someone had shot an iron ladder.
Sorry. Wait, what? Like she's in a sewage thing and then an iron ladder floats by. Because someone had shot it.
Don't make me say it twice. It's a terrible joke. I didn't get it.
No, no. Like she finds it up the wall. It's like in the wall. She's like a ladder. It's not chutes and ladders. We have to edit that part out. It's the worst joke I've ever said and I had to say it two times. Don't take that note. This stays in. I've edited out some shit for you before. This is not going to be one of them.
I will just take all the edits I've done for you and put them into one episode and post them. Can you imagine? That's actually a genius idea. Because it won't make any sense because contextually.
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Chapter 5: How does Maria Viracheva survive her encounter?
And she's like, well... That was my last chance. She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross fucking sewage. She's like, this is it. I'm dead. But it turns out the woman had heard her screams and heard the manhole cover lift a little or saw the manhole cover lift a little bit and like fucking ran for, you know, help to lift this manhole cover. So she was taken to the hospital.
She and her kids survived. Man, I bet like what is that kid's life like today?
Well, they could maybe they may have been somehow inoculated by being in all that shit. So they're like superhuman, never get sick.
Yeah, they're like Marvel's like, how do we tell this this like story of a superhero? Well, let's see. Let's see. So she survives. OK, here's the worst part. Well, here's another bad part. She's reporting the incident to the police. And somehow I've heard I read a couple different reasons. The police. We're like, nope.
And like ended up making her sign something saying that she herself had accidentally fell into the well and that he had nothing to do with it. What? Yeah. Either because she didn't have the correct papers, like citizen papers or the cop was bored. It's like for some reason. They were like, no, we're not going to pursue this. Yeah. So he went on to claim dozens of lives after that. Oh, no. Yeah.
So right now there's a criminal investigation going into the cop who, you know, okayed that. I'm sure nothing will happen. He has two other survivors. One was a 14-year-old homeless boy who also got thrown down a well in March 2002. He again said he tried to tell the police, but they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy. How are you 14 and homeless, Russia?
Because that place is terrible. It's either the super rich or the insanely poor. But that also happened in Chikatilo. I saw that there was a made-for-TV movie where Stephen Ray played the cop that was investigating him. And when they realized he had been murdering all these people, they were like, you won't... arrest him.
Like it was as if like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that we have this problem. And I think that is a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff.
Sure. If like some woman had been, especially because she knew him too, because she could be like, it was this dude.
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Chapter 6: What lessons can we learn from these survivor stories?
It's like, they're saying like, we're not, that's not going to be a problem that we're having. And from a couple of the accounts I read, he like came over to hang out with her boyfriend after that. Like she had to see him. No way. He said something like, hey, you want to go for another walk? Like he fucking taunted her. That's crazy. I know.
But it's also weird to have a habit of pushing people down wells. Totally. That's really weird.
It is weird. It's usually it's like, you know, they're into the murder part. Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on the head with a hammer. And in addition to that, he liked pushing people down a well. Yeah. It doesn't really make, like you should do one, you should do one and then the other. Yeah. Pick an MO. Get your style going. Yeah.
And then like with the checker or checkers with the chest, like, come on, man, pick one. Yeah. So the murder of Marina Moskalova, Melina Moskalova in 36 is, who was 36 in the spring of 2006, was his last murder. They actually found her body with a Metro ticket in it with his trademark injuries. And they found a video of him and her from the Metro station walking together. Oh. Yeah.
So they caught him. He was arrested June 2006, convicted of 49 murders and three attempted murders. And it seems like he was, he asked to be convicted for 60 murders. Wow. Just like, fuck off. Because he wanted credit for all the murders he had done. Yeah. He got life in prison with the first 15 years to be spent in solitary confinement. So I'm sure.
Jesus Christ.
He's going to be.
15 years? You can't do that. It, Where are we?
Russia. You nutty place. 15 years in solitary confinement. Is there even a reason for that? Or it's just pun? It's like, we can't give you the death penalty. So we're just going to do this. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Why not kill him? 15 years. That's awful.
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Chapter 7: What makes this episode unique in the series?
And sometimes on some shows, they're so gratuitous. There's like an extra sound effect and the girl's always in a bra. We were like, really?
Right. So can we say the exception is a crime to remember?
We love a crime to remember. Yeah. Yeah, that that those reenactments are perfectly done. They're gorgeous. Yeah, they're gorgeous. So and I survived back to my favorite show. Well, I should say one of my favorite shows, but. it's all these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So this one I loved because I love the girl that tells the story that it happened to her.
And her name is Sarah Brady. And this happened when she was 26 years old and nine months pregnant. Oh, What kind of pregnant women? She was... Yeah, that's right. Oh my God, weird. And Sarah was apparently overdue. So she was like waiting to have this baby any moment.
Fuck. Can you imagine? Like her, everything is swollen.
Everything's hard. You're doing everything for two. So here's what happens. She's registered at Babies R Us. And she gets a call one day from a woman who says her name is Sarah Brody. What year is this? This is 2004. Okay. So she gets a call. A woman says, my name's Sarah Brody. And I got one of your... We're both registered, I guess, at Babies R Us because I got one of your packages.
Similar names. Yes. Shit, man. And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy. I'll come and get it. Yeah. You live on my way to work, whatever. So they make this plan. She goes and she picks up the package. She goes into the woman's apartment. This woman lives in a basement apartment. She said it was a completely fine exchange. They talked a little bit about how they were both nervous to be mothers.
They just talked about, you know, whatever. And we'll call her our Sarah. The good Sarah says that she just got the impression this girl was very young and she seemed kind of alone. So she had a kind of a warmth toward her because she was like, oh, you know, and we have kind of the same name and they're basically seemed like they were going to have babies right at the same time. Yeah. So thanks.
See you later. Great. Takes the package, goes home. So a couple days later, there's another phone call. And it's her again going, I got another package for you. And so when she gets off the phone, she's having the baby with her boyfriend. They're engaged to be married. So her fiance or boyfriend's brother is there at their house. And she goes, that girl got another package for me.
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