MTGM EXTRA! "We've been sleeping together for years, but he's NEVER committed."

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Are you going to the pub tonight? I'm not going tonight. But I should be.

27.452 - 47.572 Vogue Williams

I know I should be. You should be. You know what? I will. I think it's important that you do. Hello and welcome. Hello. Hello, Guy. Hello. Again. Hello. Enough of that. Enough of that. A double whammy today, huh? They won't know that. You don't know that.

47.592 - 49.095 Ian Higgins

For them, it's several days later.

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Yeah, they don't know that.

50.077 - 76.393 Vogue Williams

Okay, several days later, but little do you know, I'm stuck with these two again today. I see them more than my own family. We're on a jolly. Yeah, it is actually the best job. It really is. When people ask me about it, I'm like, it's a bloody, it's a good job. Who was asking me? I was chatting to Miriam Hallahan yesterday. Oh, yeah. My Miriam. No, my Miriam. No, I think my Miriam. Oh, no.

161.233 - 180.158 Vogue Williams

Talk about... Are you one of those people who makes... Have you seen when people fill up a balloon and they fill it up with water and then they put like petals and stuff in it and then they tie it and they put the balloon in the freezer and then it's when they're having special dinner parties that I was watching and then they take the balloon out of the freezer, they open it and then you've got this...

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big huge lump of ice with loads of like nice flowers and stuff in it yeah it looks amazing or you can put fruit in yeah I'm going to do it when you come over to my house I did have I'll be known for my ice I did have a grape in an ice cube the other day but it was an accident I was in the freezer I was roaming around in the freezer laughing And I was like, who put that grape there?

203.482 - 212.795 Vogue Williams

Frozen in perfect time, like a dinosaur. And like a fossil. But it was obviously, I was obviously like pissed rummaging through the freezer with a grape in my mouth and a fountain.

212.956 - 218.864 Joanne McNally

Not quite the Martha Stewart lifestyle choice I thought it was. I was like, what the fuck's back in there? I was like, oh yeah, it's pretty.

218.884 - 239.354 Vogue Williams

No, do you not remember people were putting on TikTok and being like, oh my God, frozen grapes taste like, like ice cream. I'm like, no, no, they don't. Like they don't. They taste like a piece of fruit. That's frozen and it's not as nice as a clip-out. I'll tell you this and then we will move on because we're not here for our culinary recommendations. Speak for yourself, Joanne.

363.468 - 388.929 Vogue Williams

Oh, okay. It's, it's, so the main, firstly, he delivers every line like he's invented, like every line is delivered with this absolute earnestness of him. Like this, it's so, he's like, besides being really simple, he's like, I baked a potato. And everyone's waiting for this massive moment. And then several times in the interview, Louis is like, oh, and then he did this.

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He's like, I never did that. He's like, it's in your book. He's like, I didn't write my book. Stop. Over and over. I think three times he goes, that never happened. Louis is like, it's in your book. I didn't write that. Did he say that he gave back his Michelin stars? He said, there's no choice. When you're out of the kitchen, they just take them. He said, you don't give them back.

410.434 - 430.566 Vogue Williams

But when you're no longer in the kitchen, they just take them back. I'd say he's had a tough life. His son doesn't go through a great time. Yeah, he did reference that now. I wasn't aware of that, but he did talk about that because he was talking about his beef with Gordon Ramsay. Yeah. What's the beef with Gordon Ramsay? Well, Marco trained Gordon.

431.272 - 445.933 Vogue Williams

She says, like she has any knowledge in the culinary industry. Well, obviously, as we know, Marco trained Gordon. And I mean, Marco was very clear. He says, because they're all calling each other, like screaming at each other the whole time.

471.073 - 492.965 Vogue Williams

What's broken already? Oh, who broke his dumpling? Okay, well, he's not getting another one. Don't let him near yours, okay? You pop downstairs now for me and close my door. Thanks a million. I'll see you in a minute. Good girl. Who broke his dumpling? Who do you think broke his dumpling? Who do you think broke the dumpling that he's been waiting for for two weeks? Who broke it? Otto.

494.748 - 513.373 Vogue Williams

Is she still there? Is Otto crying? Is Gigi... Otto made himself cry. Gigi. Otto made himself cry. And she's holding his head over the banisters. Gigi, you have to close the door. I love you. Yeah, so they've been waiting for these gold dumplings. It's one of those things, Joe. Your kids are probably too young.

514.093 - 515.294 Ian Higgins

I'm Googling it.

515.354 - 525.623 Vogue Williams

They're just these squidgies. It's like a squidgy thing, but they wanted these special gold ones that you can get. Of course they wanted gold. Yeah, I held out two weeks. I gave it to Otto.

526.278 - 554.462 Vogue Williams

13 minutes ago and his is broken he's such a little hooligan I love it he doesn't he really honestly he is I tried to make a deal with him before because I was like you can have 8 minutes of TV if you're a good boy because he was throwing a wobbler and I was trying to come up here to film sorry I mean I think I saw some food there pass

716.172 - 738.585 Vogue Williams

But have you noticed, like, she kind of, once she gets a new, she moves on to something new, she moves everything on. So when she, like, Wicked's over, he's over. Now she's on tour, it's the new Ariana. I actually really like her. I'm not throwing shade, but, like, it does happen. Yeah, I like her a lot, I have to say. She has a song out now where she, yeah, like, and his wife is a psychiatrist?

739.246 - 758.406 Vogue Williams

Psychologist? Jesus, I wonder would you be able to talk to yourself if you're going through like traumatic things, like sit in front of the mirror and be like, right, like work on your own project. Well, she wrote a really good article about the fact that how it feels when all your patients know that your husband left you for a year on a grand day.

758.506 - 771.02 Vogue Williams

I feel like there's certain people, like if Spenny dumped me and got with Margot Robbie, I'd be like, obviously it'd be horrendous. I'd end up in an institution, but then I'd be like, you know what? Fair play. I would also dump me.

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You would in your arse.

773.244 - 800.972 Vogue Williams

You'd pitch a bombard at Robbie's house. Folk, I know. No, I would be actually impressed. You would in your hull. You'd be absolutely fuming. There's not an inch of you. Mature. I don't hold jealousy. And I would wish them both well, is what I would do. The best revenge is moving on with your life. I am a strong, confident woman.

898.887 - 927.815 Vogue Williams

But I will say, huge fan of Ariana. And if Ethan gets back with his ex, I will swallow my own hat. Okay. I'll buy a hat. Get ready. I'll buy it. No, you can swallow a hat. You said you'd swallow a hat. I just don't think if you humiliate a woman like that, and I don't know in what world... she would be able to go back there. I just don't see it happening. I just don't. Nah.

927.835 - 948.907 Vogue Williams

I mean, when I was cheated on, I just, no, I like, I just couldn't. I'd be like, no. You can privately maybe forgive something if it's like between the two. You can maybe probably, but to be publicly humiliated like that. And very visibly. Terrible. And like his wife, the essay is really, really good. I might reshare it with you guys.

948.927 - 965.385 Vogue Williams

She's like talking about it was so clear what was happening and he was obviously denying it. And then she said, and then not only he left me while I have a newborn baby and then went on the biggest press tour that the world has ever seen. And they were just together all the time talking about each other and how talented the other one is and everything.

965.405 - 987.926 Vogue Williams

She was like, it was fucking, it was hell on earth. Well, she's our breastfeeding the fucking newborn. Stop it. It's actually so bad. I just think. It's so bad. Actually. Yeah. Shame on both of them. There is. There is that. That's really bad. Actually, I want you to do a bit of deep diving for us, by the way. You know, the thing on the crash, the thing that you told us all to watch.

987.966 - 995.693 Vogue Williams

There's some mad conspiracy stuff going on in the TikTok world. Really? You need to deep dive that and find out stuff about it. Say no more.

1074.074 - 1103.963 Vogue Williams

oh come here to me it's on tonight the World Cup yes England are playing Croatia at time of recording but by the time you hear this that was a week ago so we know oh that was a week ago so you've missed it the part that I will get involved in is there's an intense pub culture around the time of the World Cup and it does mean there are a lot of vulnerable men around town which I think is a healthy message to spread are you going to the pub tonight I'm not going tonight but I should be I know I should be actually do you know what I will

1104.905 - 1119.943 Vogue Williams

I think it's important that you do. You're right. I'm torn between it being, I think it might be a bit hectic, but you're right, I might put on a boob tube and sit at the bar on my own like a desperate slag. You're not desperate. You're just, you're simply, you're simply a football fan.

1121.505 - 1125.129 Ian Higgins

That is not a comment on other people that might be going to the pub in a boob tube this evening.

1125.209 - 1135.354 Vogue Williams

That is Joanne talking about herself. Jo, I do that all the time. You've no idea how often I be slagging around up there. No, with very little follow through, obviously, but I'm trying.

1137.699 - 1146.988 Ian Higgins

Well, for anyone who plans to do that, there is one more England game at least on Saturday at 10 o'clock against Panama. 10 o'clock at the night? No. At the night?

1276.945 - 1296.439 Vogue Williams

It's left me feeling like I'm good enough to lean on, good enough to sleep with, good enough to confide in, but not quite good enough to fully commit to. The logical part of me knows that if a man truly wants to be with somebody, he usually makes that very clear. Yes, there's another part of me that wonders whether the history connection and genuine affection between us means something more.

1297.077 - 1320.24 Vogue Williams

So my question is this. Am I holding on to a fantasy because of our chemistry and history? Or is there a possibility that some people genuinely take years to realise what they want? I'd love your honest thoughts, even if they're not what I want to hear. Lots of love, an Irish independent woman. Well, it's not, it's not a fantasy because he is, he is there. Like what's happened is real.

1320.321 - 1341.687 Vogue Williams

So it's not a fantasy. But I would, and listen, I could have written this email myself. Like to say I've been there is an understatement. Well, I guess it's not an understatement. It's a statement of fact. He is. He isn't. He isn't going the extra mile. He isn't doing the choosing. It's so far down the road. It's comfortable, I would say.

1341.767 - 1360.266 Vogue Williams

Yeah, he's not like he's he's you're one of, you know, there's obviously a connection there. There's history there. There's good sex there. There's desire and lust there. And there's a friendship there. But is he running towards you saying, let's make a go of it? No. So like that, you know, that's that. And you deserve to be number one.

1360.307 - 1380.267 Vogue Williams

Like you're important and you are more deserving than him coming back and forth and not like I'm just kind of taking what he wants when he wants it. And don't feel bad because literally all of us have been there. And blow stuff up into thinking it means more than it. Like, as in, it's really easy to twist stuff into thinking it means more than it does.